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Olorin2607
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Nov 14 2013, 10:02pm
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Even more HUUUUGGGGEEEE Spoilers from the Storybook. BEWARE!!!!!!
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They are from a German fellow who has read the DOS Storybook.
Link:
http://forum.herr-der-ringe-film.de/...page/0/vc/1/fpart/33
It is from Corydoras, second post there.
He describes the order of some scenes later in the movie and how they play out.
There are obviouslay many blanks left I think but there are some very spoilery Details.
I will try to translate that for you but BEWARE Spoilers are HUGE!
Last Chance to leave!!!
So here it goes:
Barrels-Scene. We know already Orcs attack the dwarves, who are in turn attacked by the elves. The elves have however closed some kind of door/outlet in the river (?), which holds back the barrels. In all the fighting turmoil the dwarves manage to open that door and flee. They get to that "beach" we saw already in the trailers ( I think that is where Legolas and Tauriel discuss later/"It is not our fight") where a deadly stranger waits for them - Bard. They lie to him saying they are merchants and would pay him good if he gets them to Laketown.
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High-Fells-Scene: no particular details on that. Just that some "old enemy" is at work and they have to get to Dol Guldur.
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Bard gets the dwarves into Laketown (people who saw the 20 minutes on Nov 4th will know how exactly) and brings them to his house. There Balin tells a story how Smaug came first to Erebor and was wounded by a legendary black arrow fired by a dwarvish (!) weapon.
The dwarves have to hurry because they only have two days to get to the mountain as then it will be Durins Day, but can't go anywhere because they are trapped in Bards home. So eventually they sneak out of the house at night. Bard notices that far later.
But the Company then is captured by the guards and is presented to the Master on the marketplace of the town. (I think that must be where the trailer scene is happening between Bard an Thorin) Thorin convinces the Master to let them go. He promises him gold in exchange.
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Dol Guldur: Gandalf and Radagst arrive together and Gandaf gives Radagast a message which he must deliver. He asks for Radagast to not follow him into the ruin. Then Radagast leaves and he gets in alone.
Meanwhile the dwarves get on their way to the mountain. Once there (on that giant dwarven statue) they find that time is running out and they try to open the hidden door. But it does not work at first and Thorin angrily throws away ( ?) the key. But eventually Bilbo manages to open it.
Then it continues wiht the scenes of Bilbo as seen in the 20 Minute preview. One detail though: Smaugs eyes GLOW.
After that eye of Smaug opens the storybook ends.
So what do you say to that?
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RosieLass
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Nov 14 2013, 10:07pm
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Not crazy about the Bard/Dwarves/Master stuff.
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Especially not the suggestion that the Black Arrow is not Bard's but some legendary weapon.
It appears that they are going to strip Bard entirely of his royal heritage. 
We'll have to see how the bribery business works out, but on first glance, it doesn't sound very promising either.
The rest sounds satisfactory.
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Arannir
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Nov 14 2013, 10:12pm
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... that Gandalf enters Dol Guldur alone and lets Radagast deliver a message (maybe to Galadriel and the WC?).
It makes him once again the chess genious who moves against the dark forces with much sacrifice and putting himself into danger while others of his order do or did not feel they have/should do.
This is something the filmmakers have imho again and again shown nicely, which is much more important to me than the question whether he does a bow to Galadriel or whatever power hierarchy they have.
I also like the idea that Bard remains a strong opponent to the quest, as it seems.
I am almost absolutely sure that one of his children or several of them will die in Smaug's attack and that he will have an enormous rage against Thorin and the dwarves, making them responsible for his children's fate and the destruction of the town - adding to the tension leading up to the almost-battle among the Free Peoples.
“All good stories deserve embellishment."
Praise is subjective. And so is criticism.
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Arannir
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Nov 14 2013, 10:15pm
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... by Luke Evans, I am rather sure they will speak about that bloodline.
This will probably be the time of the flashback that was already hinted via the tracklist.
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Nov 14 2013, 11:01pm
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I'm guessing it is the balista that is the Dwarwish weapon
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Not the black arrow.
'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'
The Hall of Fire
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Elskidor
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Nov 14 2013, 11:16pm
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I am almost absolutely sure that one of his children or several of them will die in Smaug's attack and that he will have an enormous rage against Thorin and the dwarves, making them responsible for his children's fate and the destruction of the town - adding to the tension leading up to the almost-battle among the Free Peoples.
I like that.
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ArchedCory
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Nov 14 2013, 11:17pm
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I am a she, but thanks anyway. ;)
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marillaraina
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Nov 14 2013, 11:24pm
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Barrels-Scene. We know already Orcs attack the dwarves, who are in turn attacked by the elves. The elves have however closed some kind of door/outlet in the river (?), which holds back the barrels. In all the fighting turmoil the dwarves manage to open that door and flee. They get to that "beach" we saw already in the trailers ( I think that is where Legolas and Tauriel discuss later/"It is not our fight") where a deadly stranger waits for them - Bard. They lie to him saying they are merchants and would pay him good if he gets them to Laketown.
That explains the scene in the trailer where Kili jumps into the barrel from a height, obviously some of them, including Kili, had gotten out of the barrels to find a way to open the gates.
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Eleniel
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Nov 14 2013, 11:35pm
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That is probably also the castellated structure...
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that we see the Elves fighting the Orcs on in the trailers, when Azog leaps up over the battlements. I imagine it is constructed over the river, with a sort of portcullis or some such...
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ArchedCory
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Nov 14 2013, 11:35pm
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And I am not German either! :D
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RosieLass
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Nov 14 2013, 11:46pm
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Ballista? How big is this arrow??
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It's more the suggestion that it's not Bard's family heirloom, than any particulars about the arrow or the launcher, that bothers me.
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MatthewJer18
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Nov 15 2013, 12:00am
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It's important to note that...
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While the storybooks generally get the broad strokes of the story right, some details are simplified or left out altogether.
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Nov 15 2013, 12:13am
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There's nothing there that suggests that
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Nothing in that description suggests that the black arrow is not a family heirloom. And we know that it is Girion who shoots the black arrow at Smaug in the extended prelude (and presumably again in DoS), so that suggests that it is.
The arrow is pretty darned big!
'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'
The Hall of Fire
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ArchedCory
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Nov 15 2013, 6:09am
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The storybook is a kid's book. However I read that one of AUJ immediately afterwards and although it was simplified, everything written in there WAS in the movie. Also, the order of the scenes was exactly right.
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MTT Gandalf
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Nov 15 2013, 11:55am
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In the book Bard says, that the Black Arrow was made in Erebor:
"Black arrow! I have saved you to the last. You have never failed me and always I have recovered you. I had you from my father and he from of old. If ever you came from the forges of the true king under the Mountain, go now and speed well!"
So, it was made by the dwarves, and it was a gift to the House of Girion.
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Otaku-sempai
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Nov 15 2013, 3:27pm
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The dwarves have to hurry because they only have two days to get to the mountain as then it will be Durins Day, but can't go anywhere because they are trapped in Bards home. So eventually they sneak out of the house at night. Bard notices that far later.
But the Company then is captured by the guards and is presented to the Master on the marketplace of the town. (I think that must be where the trailer scene is happening between Bard an Thorin) Thorin convinces the Master to let them go. He promises him gold in exchange.
Even cutting out the half-a-month the company spent just locating the Hidden Door and getting it to open on Durin's Day, Jackson has managed to cut the travel time to Erebor in half. From Karen Wynn Fonstad's The Atlas of Middle-earth:
October 9. The company departs from Lake-town by boat.
October 12. They leave the river and ride to the Lonely Mountain.
Fonstad estimates that October 30 is the date on which falls Durin's Day.
'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring
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patrickk
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Nov 16 2013, 4:55am
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But we know Bilbo opens the gate
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..from the book and the 10 minute preview. The lighter moment in the movie (not the book) is that Bilbo forgot about himself and has to find the trap door again just as elves (Taurial et al) are arriving. The shot of him dropping prone into the water.
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