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ecthelionsbeard
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Oct 30 2013, 1:30am
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Hobbit 2 Runtime: 160 minutes
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Anyone else a little disappointed at such a short running time? I was hoping for at least 165-170 minutes or longer.
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Escapist
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Oct 30 2013, 1:43am
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That's over 2.5 hours - more than plenty long enough!
I do understand the need to make cuts and the value of that tightly edited movie - but not at the expense of key character moments, stopping a moment to gawk at the scenery, and generally getting a breather or two in. Plus - it seems less likely that Mirkwood will get gutted this way - I do like spiders and eerie old forests.
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Elessar
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Oct 30 2013, 1:46am
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I hope so. Especially if it's as good as the AUJ EE.
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Aragorn the Elfstone
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Oct 30 2013, 1:51am
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I thought it would be shorter...
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Given what the film seems to cover (though we don't know for sure yet), 160 minutes seems more than long enough. When 150-something minutes was floated as a potential runtime last week, I though it sounded likely. So I've no problem with this length, provided it moves along at a good pace.
"All men dream; but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds awake to find that it was vanity; But the dreamers of day are dangerous men. That they may act their dreams with open eyes to make it possible."
- T.E. Lawrence
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Metal Slug
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Oct 30 2013, 2:04am
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I thought it would be about the same
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Or longer than AUJ. There is SO much to cover in DOS; Carrock, hike, Beorn, mirkwood, spiders, elves, Laketown microcosm, departure, ruins of Dale, Erebor, engaging Smaug, Dol Guldur sub plot, and possibly, the demise of Smaug.
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RosieBaggins
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Oct 30 2013, 2:11am
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I am super excited for mirkwood as well!
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That was my favorite part of the book.
I enjoy long movies a lot. You get more for your money, and when it concerns tolkien, the longer the better!
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Redeemed in the end.
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MouthofSauron
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Oct 30 2013, 2:50am
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i'm sure we will get a additional 15 minutes in the EE cut.
take me down to the woodland realm where the trees are green and the elf women are pretty....Oh will you please take me home!!
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Eye's on Guard
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Oct 30 2013, 5:58am
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I'm guessing/hoping that with this shorter runtime for the theatrical version, there will be 20+ minutes added to the EE (closer to the extra time for FoTR). The final EE number is all I'm really concerned about anyway.
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AinurOlorin
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Oct 30 2013, 6:45am
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I would rather the theatrical version be the best possible telling that it can, rather than
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high quality scenes that would greatly enhance the film being held back just to make an extended DVD longer. I'm guessing/hoping that with this shorter runtime for the theatrical version, there will be 20+ minutes added to the EE (closer to the extra time for FoTR). The final EE number is all I'm really concerned about anyway.
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Arannir
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Oct 30 2013, 7:45am
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Hell no, PJ has to make harder editing decisions.
I loved AUJ... But the editing hurt the movie as a movie than the deviations hurt it as a Tolkien adaptation imho.
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Endor Dweller
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Oct 30 2013, 9:19am
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2h40min runtime is not bad at all.
And it's not yet a final official runtime. I'm sure PJ will still be putting the final touches to DOS , right up until the last minute 
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Glorfindela
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Oct 30 2013, 9:48am
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Would prefer a running time the same or longer than AUJ, especially because – apparently – so much has to be fitted into the film.
I'd rather have a longer cinema edition, than have footage that could have been in the film reserved to make a longer EE. After all, a film you see in a cinema will always provide a superior experience compared with the same film seen on a DVD.
http://www.theonering.net/torwp/2013/10/29/81476-uk-cinemas-programming-160-mins-for-the-hobbit-the-desolation-of-smaug-uk-tix-on-sale-from-nov-1/
Anyone else a little disappointed at such a short running time? I was hoping for at least 165-170 minutes or longer.
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DanielLB
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Oct 30 2013, 10:08am
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It seems as good as any length.
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There are some brilliant films that are less than 90 minutes (a while bunch of Disney films, The Wicker Man, Gravity), there are brilliant films that are ~160 minutes long (2001 A Space Odyssey), and there are brilliant films that are over 180 minutes (Ben Hur, Schindler’s List, Gone With The Wind).
There doesn't seem to be any correlation between the length of a film and how good it is. And so, 160 minutes seems as good a length as any.
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Salmacis81
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Oct 30 2013, 12:58pm
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I'm fine with that length as well...
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I don't expect the Hobbit films to rival the LotR films in length, as there is nowhere near the amount of material for TH as there was with LotR, not even close.
And 160 minutes is definitely a longer than average film.
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Eye's on Guard
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Oct 30 2013, 4:34pm
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Yes, important scenes should not be held back
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I guess my main point was that with all that DoS presumably has to cover, a runtime of 160 minutes makes it seem like PJ has indeed cut some potentially great but unneeded material to keep the story moving along. I cannot imagine the extended edition for DoS being shorter than that of AUJ. Only 13 minutes extra for AUJ is understandable, but anything less than 20 minutes for DoS would be disappointing to me.
This is not to say that shorter movies cannot be great, but the point of extended editions should be to provide fans with a lasting version of the films that gives us as much of great Middle-earth material as possible. In that sense, I do not mind as much if the theatrical version is shorter as long as enough is added back for the EE. Now if the theatrical was, say, 180 minutes and there was only minimal material left for the EE, that would be fine too, as long as no plotline is left lacking in the end.
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Misty Mountain Hop
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Oct 30 2013, 4:51pm
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I'd be concerned if there were only two 'Hobbit' films...
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...but since there are three, with the limited material, I am content with three averaging 160 minutes/film.
Had there been two, I would have hoped they would be at least 180-200 each.
The extra "cut" footage could easily be placed in the EE for the die hard fans to enjoy at a later time.
Also, length isn't as important as content. If the film flows well and tells the story in a superb way, 30 minutes one way or another doesn't really matter.
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Estel78
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Oct 30 2013, 7:27pm
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After all, a film you see in a cinema will always provide a superior experience compared with the same film seen on a DVD.
Considering how crappy some theaters are. You can build yourself a home theater that rivals and even exceeds most theaters for like 5 grands.
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Darkstone
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Oct 30 2013, 7:42pm
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After all, a film you see in a cinema will always provide a superior experience compared with the same film seen on a DVD.
Only if the following etiquette is observed:
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That hobbit has a pleasant face,
His private life is a disgrace.
I really could not tell to you,
The awful things that hobbits do.
Things that your paper never prints
They only speak of them in hints.
They have such lost, degraded souls,
No wonder they inhabit holes;
When such depravity is found,
It only can live underground.
I really dare not name to you,
The awful things that hobbits do.
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Avandel
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Oct 30 2013, 10:15pm
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It's been pointed out that 160 minutes isn't that much shorter than AUJ's running time, which to me is weird with all that seems to be happening in DOS. But after a long wait for this film - feels like December will never get here - yeah, I want DOS to be a long as possible. Hate to think of stuff that gets cut just to serve folks that can't sit still longer than 90 minutes - and I want to enjoy ME with THIS cast as much as possible. Even if an EE is released, that's too far off and who knows what it will include.
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Glorfindela
Doriath
Oct 30 2013, 11:10pm
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Only if you've got a spare room to make into a home cinema
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There's a choice of very good cinemas in London, and I go to those.
Considering how crappy some theaters are. You can build yourself a home theater that rivals and even exceeds most theaters for like 5 grands.
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Oh yes, very funny – thank you for that.
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