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Arannir
Valinor
Oct 23 2013, 12:43pm
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Still would like him to get digitalized such as his father.
But maybe he will grow on me in action.
“A dragon is no idle fancy. Whatever may be his origins, in fact or invention, the dragon in legend is a potent creation of men’s imagination, richer in significance than his barrow is in gold.” J.R.R. Tolkien
Words of wisdom that should be remembered - both by critics, purists and anyone in between.
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Fleuz
Lorien
Oct 23 2013, 12:54pm
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In the pic above i see two Bolgs.
One right and One left, just beside Radi's Face.
I think the facial closeups will get digitallized.
The Rest should stay at it is.
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Arannir
Valinor
Oct 23 2013, 1:02pm
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Depends on when thatstuff was filmed...
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... there have been a lot of changes after the three movie decision.
“A dragon is no idle fancy. Whatever may be his origins, in fact or invention, the dragon in legend is a potent creation of men’s imagination, richer in significance than his barrow is in gold.” J.R.R. Tolkien
Words of wisdom that should be remembered - both by critics, purists and anyone in between.
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MechaGodzilla
Rivendell
Oct 23 2013, 1:03pm
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Wonder what's up with that? Stunt double? Has Bolg's design been turned into a generic warrior orc look? Very interesting. 
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DwellerInDale
Rohan
Oct 23 2013, 1:17pm
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It might seem odd that a bodybuilder and former professional wrestler needs a stunt double, but if you read the recent interview with Conan Stevens, he relates how he's been having a lot of physical problems and has spent much of his money from The Hobbit on various treatments.
Don't mess with my favorite female elf.
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Lieutenant of Dol Guldur
Gondor
Oct 23 2013, 3:30pm
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"There is only one Lord of the Ring, only one who can bend it to his will. And he does not share power."
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vinsanity
The Shire
Oct 23 2013, 4:04pm
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I hope they maintain that look and not go CGI on that, i love those designs, it looks awesome
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DjU
Lorien
Oct 23 2013, 7:15pm
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Azog, Bolg, Yazneg - Appendices Information
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Not finished all the appendices yet, but the Azog design changes are mentioned in the short documentary about him. Lots of it matches what we thought, but a few things are a bit of a surprise!
To boil this down to a few points.
Azog Mark 1
Conan Stevens WAS cast as Azog - his initial design were not spectacularly different from the final Azog, however it was prosthetics, during the design phase PJ, started bolting armour plates on his head, to match descriptions in the book, the final design then matches what we have now seen as the Bolg design (this is not actually said in the documentary though) however they really liked the design but something wasn't working - they tried a few other slightly altered versions, which you see. They don't mention what happened with Conan or the design afterwards - that presumably will be mentioned in the DoS appendices when/if we see Bolg.
Azog Mark 2
So they recast and hired John Rawls as Azog - they went in completely different direction, they went for Azog as a small wrinkly but powerful orc, John Rawls did film as Azog and you see come clips of at Azanulbizar and one that seems to be the ...into the Frying Pan fight.
After filming bits with Rawls, PJ realised that his new idea really wasn't working and that they had made a mistake again.
Azog Mark 3
Then they say once the film was mostly wrapped they cast Manu Bennett and went for a CGI Azog, with a design that was ultimately not far from the original design
The rest of this part we kind of know.
Yazneg
The more interesting part is that Terry Notary played Yazneg despite Rawls being credited! The Weathertop and other Yazneg scenes were filmed in the 2 weeks of Pickups at the end of filming in 2012. (I had always suspected the Weathertop scene, but it seems everything was).
It appears that John Rawls doesn't actually appear as Yazneg. The Yazneg design although similar to the Mk2 Azog is different, so unless Rawls shot some of location stuff in the Mk2 Azog gear, it does seem odd he was credited unless he dubbed Notary?
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Arannir
Valinor
Oct 23 2013, 7:24pm
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Thanks :)
“A dragon is no idle fancy. Whatever may be his origins, in fact or invention, the dragon in legend is a potent creation of men’s imagination, richer in significance than his barrow is in gold.” J.R.R. Tolkien
Words of wisdom that should be remembered - both by critics, purists and anyone in between.
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Eleniel
Tol Eressea
Oct 23 2013, 7:34pm
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But where in the book is Azog ever described?
during the design phase PJ, started bolting armour plates on his head, to match descriptions in the book,
"Choosing Trust over Doubt gets me burned once in a while, but I'd rather be singed than hardened."
¯ Victoria Monfort
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DjU
Lorien
Oct 23 2013, 7:41pm
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I meant of course the Appendices of LotR
Appendix A
"a great Orc with a huge iron-clad head, and yet agile and strong"
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Shagrat
Gondor
Oct 23 2013, 8:15pm
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It sounds like the only reason Azog is CGI is because they realized they messed up changing Stevens and by that time it was too late to change things. This is somewhat encouraging, since it suggests they're not using CGI without good reason. Hopefully they won't make the some mistake with Bolg.
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Joe20
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Oct 23 2013, 8:35pm
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I caved and bought the EE off iTunes. Didn't want to (Already seen the EE via less legitimate methods  ) But couldn't wait to watch the appendices.
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Arannir
Valinor
Oct 23 2013, 8:46pm
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I doubt they see CGI Azog as a mistake.
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Neither to I. ;) Sounds more like a process in terms of design to me.
“A dragon is no idle fancy. Whatever may be his origins, in fact or invention, the dragon in legend is a potent creation of men’s imagination, richer in significance than his barrow is in gold.” J.R.R. Tolkien
Words of wisdom that should be remembered - both by critics, purists and anyone in between.
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DjU
Lorien
Oct 23 2013, 9:54pm
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I think they would say the main mistake they made the first time round was a design problem/mistake.
I believe the original version of Azog that turned out to be not too dissimilar to the final version was only at the design and head/bust stage and was never made in to prosthetics, by the time it got to the stage of Conan wearing it, it had got to be like the version that we know as Bolg.
I'll see get a screen grab of it.
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DjU
Lorien
Oct 23 2013, 10:38pm
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Screengrabs of the Early Azog - Conan
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Here are a little selection of screengrabs from the Azog feature, there were a LOT more shown, between the 2nd image and the 3rd they showed a number of sketches and drawings of differing designs. However the three I chosen are the evolution of the first version.
Click on them to see them larger
This was the very first early design
This is an evolution of that first design and is when you start certainly see what became the Final Movie version all those months and failed version later
Again like before similar to the final product but this is where PJ started adding the metal plates to it and it started to morph into what we know as Bolg
The next set of three images are of Conan Stevens as three different versions of Azog as they continued to refine the design with the third more getting close to the Bolg design
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MechaGodzilla
Rivendell
Oct 23 2013, 10:57pm
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Very interesting to see. 
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Ziggy Stardust
Gondor
Oct 24 2013, 1:02am
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But is that a beard I see on him? It just doesn't work for me. Otherwise he doesn't look too bad.
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Arannir
Valinor
Oct 24 2013, 6:40am
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... They went with CGI.
“A dragon is no idle fancy. Whatever may be his origins, in fact or invention, the dragon in legend is a potent creation of men’s imagination, richer in significance than his barrow is in gold.” J.R.R. Tolkien
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stormcrow20
Gondor
Oct 24 2013, 6:45am
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This action figure prototype of Azog was shown at the UK Toy Fair back in January 2013. A month or so later at the New York Toy Fair, the figure on display was the final version as seen in the film (and just released at Toys R Us!). I wonder where this particular look falls into the evolution of the design?
Notable differences include: - Dreadlocks
- Longer loincloth
- Straps on left leg
- Slightly different facial scarring
- Uncovered bones/pins on abdominal armor
Thanks for your interesting analysis and images, DjU!
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