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Ziggy Stardust
Mithlond
Jun 18 2013, 1:20am
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The Mouth of Sauron
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The Mouth of Sauron is an interesting and mysterious character. I thought his portrayal in the EE was good. The Romanian accent reminded me of Bela Lugosi, and his appearance I thought was evilly spooky. I'm not so sure on the big headpiece he wore though, but the pale skin, the sharp teeth and blood coming out of his mouth made him uber spooky.
What did you think of his appearance in the films?
Are there any sources that describe what he looked like?
When reading the novel, what did you picture the Mouth of Sauron to look like?
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RachellovesLOTR
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Jun 18 2013, 1:32am
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I kind of pictured the mouth of Sauron to look something like the Grim Reaper simply because of how tense Tolkien's description of him was in the book. His appearance in the movie definitely sent a shiver up my spine.
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Ardamírë
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Jun 18 2013, 2:10am
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I love that they made his mouth so big. It really adds to his creepiness!
"...not till now have I understood the tale of your people and their fall.
As wicked fools I scorned them, but I pity them at last.
For if this is indeed, as the Eldar say, the gift of the One to Men,
it is bitter to receive." -Arwen Undómiel
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Ereinion Nénharma
Menegroth
Jun 18 2013, 9:40am
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He's pure evil.
Also, I just love the way he says truly evil things covered up by polite words. Adds to his creepiness.
I think maybe -just maybe- it would have been better to have Aragorn battle tMoS instead of ''just'' another troll.
''Do not fear the shadows, for seeing them means light is near...''
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Ziggy Stardust
Mithlond
Jun 19 2013, 12:42am
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I thought of him like that too
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In my mind, the Mouth of Sauron is like a cross between the Grim Reaper and Azriel the Angel of Death.
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Ziggy Stardust
Mithlond
Jun 19 2013, 12:43am
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especially with the big sharp teeth and blood.
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Ziggy Stardust
Mithlond
Jun 19 2013, 12:45am
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That would have been better than the troll
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Even if it would've been a change from the novel, it at least would have added drama, and showed the pure evil of Mouth of Sauron.
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Barrow-Wight
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Jun 19 2013, 3:36am
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PJ said that he has those open wounds around his mouth cause the evil he speaks is physically hurting him. and when he talks you can see them opening. it's kind of gross but cool lol
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BoromirOfWinterfell
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Jun 19 2013, 9:25am
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But the initial designs for his face have me in stitches every time.
"Eala Earendel engla beorhtast
ofer middangeard monnum sended."
"Who put the tribbles in the quadrotriticale!?"
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Ereinion Nénharma
Menegroth
Jun 19 2013, 4:59pm
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...have links to that design...?
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BoromirOfWinterfell
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Jun 19 2013, 6:09pm
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I can't find a link anywhere on the internet
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It's in the Extended Edition's 'behind-the-scenes' stuff of ROTK. His mouth was a vertical slit - it looked hilarious. It was an initial design, shown only very briefly. And also quickly gotten rid of...
Then again, I can't remember exactly - it was shown on a screen of one of the guys from Weta Digital. Maybe they were just fooling around and it wasn't a design at all.
"Eala Earendel engla beorhtast
ofer middangeard monnum sended."
"Who put the tribbles in the quadrotriticale!?"
(This post was edited by BoromirOfWinterfell on Jun 19 2013, 6:09pm)
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Ereinion Nénharma
Menegroth
Jun 19 2013, 6:10pm
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thank you for your answer! I'll go check it!
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Ziggy Stardust
Mithlond
Jun 19 2013, 11:28pm
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So that's why there was blood coming out of his mouth.
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I thought it was just for creepy effect.
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Ziggy Stardust
Mithlond
Jun 19 2013, 11:29pm
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Just a slit, that sounds funny.
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RachellovesLOTR
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Jun 20 2013, 1:41am
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From the looks on their faces...
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I could tell that Merry and Pippin were scared of him
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Barrow-Wight
Nargothrond
Jun 20 2013, 4:57am
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Designing Middle-Earth - Weta Workshop
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that's where it is. it took me a while to find it I thought I had just imagined it but there it is. turning the mouth vertical was PJs idea he thought that the character needed something else to make him creepier because he thought people would be disappointed. But they realized how stupid it looked so they just took his mouth and enlarged it by 200%
anyway here are 2 pics one of the Vertical mouth Of Sauron and the before and after of the enlargement
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=r9o16w&s=5
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=5xsy2f&s=5
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BoromirOfWinterfell
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Jun 20 2013, 9:11am
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I searched, but not hard enough. 
"Eala Earendel engla beorhtast
ofer middangeard monnum sended."
"Who put the tribbles in the quadrotriticale!?"
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Ziggy Stardust
Mithlond
Jun 21 2013, 12:28am
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really does look silly. I'm glad they did not go with a vertical slit.
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Barrow-Wight
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Jun 21 2013, 2:15am
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It looks very silly and also very wrong lol
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T_Meyers
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Jun 25 2013, 10:10pm
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...The Mouth of Sauron was included in the theatrical version. I can understand PJ's reasons for not putting him in, but I thought it was a great character moment for Aragon. It shows that he has utter faith in the midst of insurmountable odds.
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T_Meyers
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Jun 27 2013, 2:32pm
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"Welcome to Novogard – Where lands have been shattered from racial division. Where a powerful government has begun its encroachment onto unwilling societies. Where the magical and the technological collide." - ERIC ELMOOR AND THE GAUNTLET OF GODRIC
"One final word……….. Tolkien and Rowling’s [books] will be family favourites for years to come and if book one of Tommy's [series], Eric Elmoor and the Gauntlet of Godric, is anything to go by he will be joining these great authors!" - comment by Orchard Book Club
Book 2 of the Eric Elmoor Saga, "Eric Elmoor and The Chalice of Cameron," is coming soon!
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