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The Hobbit: The Humiliation of Mithrandir

Radagast-Aiwendil
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May 2 2013, 5:29pm


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Warning: No small amount of sarcasm and annoyance following, but *it is purposeful*-I am certainly not the only one who worries about this.

Perhaps the thread title would be a more fitting title for Peter Jackson's second Hobbit installment. I love the films but it's clear we are hitting on problems.

So, in An Unexpected Journey we've established the fact that Gandalf is answerable to the much more formidable Lady Galadriel, who is clearly far more powerful than even Saruman the White (or at least so the filmmakers seem to believe, though I hope our late professor would have a thing or two to say to them). Galadriel has commanded Gandalf to "show her" the Morgul blade and has been his listen lady when he needed to talk (Gandalf's line about "the small things" was great, but the tone of the scene was not). We have seen how Gandalf has been treated disrespectfully by each member of the council: Elrond questioning him and frowning at him, telling him that he is "not the only guardian to stand watch over Middle-earth". Saruman being Saruman has of course belittled all of Gandalf's efforts.

Therefore, by the stage of film two Gandalf has clearly been singled out as the inferior. Sir Ian McKellen (who, in all seriousness is the best thing about Gandalf's portrayal) has told us that at some point Gandalf will be rescued by his friend Radagast, though this is acceptable, since they are of the same order. The real problem arises now that we know about the whole "Gandalf doll" scenario. I presume therefore that the Wizard is knocked out of the battle of Dol Guldur, having been injured by (knowing PJ) a lowly Orc, or even worse by his nemesis the Witch-King (We book fans haven't forgotten the RotK EE). But fear not, for help is at hand and in one sweep The Great and Mighty Galadriel picks up Gandalf's unconscious form and bears him out of the fray, returning in wrath to single-handedly throw down the walls of Dol Guldur (this is PJ, remember, and don't forget that this exact thing happened many years later).

Because of this, Gandalf is probably late to the battle of the Five Armies and is therefore denied several of his finest moments: saving Bilbo from Thorin's wrath and his delivery of "Halt! Dread has come upon you all!" Doubtless he will end up with his arm in a sling, just to make sure that several more non-book readers can have permission to dub Gandalf as "the worst Wizard ever".

Well, that was a rant. I know a lot of this isn't set in stone but some of the words dropped by cast/crew members are very worrying indeed.

Fellow Gandalf fans, tell me: how did it come to this?

"True courage is about knowing not when to take a life, but when to spare one."

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The Hobbit: The Humiliation of Mithrandir Radagast-Aiwendil Send a private message to Radagast-Aiwendil May 2 2013, 5:29pm
    Im just waiting Lusitano Send a private message to Lusitano May 2 2013, 5:45pm
        Pointy BLUE hat. That is key to its description, and I find it notable and AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 3 2013, 7:08am
    You lost me at this part... DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB May 2 2013, 5:48pm
        Lol, isn't that the plan until DOS is released? :P // imin Send a private message to imin May 2 2013, 5:53pm
        Yeah, this does seem like going in circles at this point... MatthewJer18 Send a private message to MatthewJer18 May 2 2013, 9:33pm
            Fascinating relationship indeed! Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone May 2 2013, 9:46pm
        haters gonna hate... MouthofSauron Send a private message to MouthofSauron May 3 2013, 3:39am
    A Wizard is never Late. Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai May 2 2013, 6:05pm
    I think you're jumping the gun somewhat Hamfast of Gamwich Send a private message to Hamfast of Gamwich May 2 2013, 6:09pm
    Well, as a fellow Gandalf fan... Balderdash Baggins Send a private message to Balderdash Baggins May 2 2013, 6:36pm
    Yeah MorgolKing Send a private message to MorgolKing May 2 2013, 7:26pm
        Well Radagast-Aiwendil Send a private message to Radagast-Aiwendil May 2 2013, 7:30pm
    Well, yeah.... Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone May 2 2013, 7:34pm
        I'm just thankful Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 May 2 2013, 8:25pm
            Considering that... Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone May 2 2013, 8:50pm
            There are people who wish Lusitano Send a private message to Lusitano May 3 2013, 1:00am
                OP Yngwulff Send a private message to Yngwulff May 3 2013, 2:12am
                I would be one of those people Elessar Send a private message to Elessar May 3 2013, 2:25am
                    Hack! Lusitano Send a private message to Lusitano May 3 2013, 2:19pm
                        I have to add to this... Arannir Send a private message to Arannir May 3 2013, 2:25pm
                            Indeed Lusitano Send a private message to Lusitano May 3 2013, 2:31pm
                                Well, I would argue... Arannir Send a private message to Arannir May 3 2013, 2:37pm
                        I don't like..... Elessar Send a private message to Elessar May 3 2013, 4:18pm
                            If you dont stop Lusitano Send a private message to Lusitano May 3 2013, 5:14pm
                                Only if Elessar Send a private message to Elessar May 3 2013, 5:19pm
                        Lol. I am under 40 in this incarnation lol. But the rest could happen. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 3 2013, 6:41pm
                        agreed Elenorflower Send a private message to Elenorflower May 9 2013, 12:06pm
                Honestly I would LOVE to see... Sinister71 Send a private message to Sinister71 May 3 2013, 2:33am
                    While I certainly do hope for a more faithful adaptation one day... Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 May 3 2013, 7:44pm
                    Your argument doesn't work at all There&ThereAgain Send a private message to There&ThereAgain May 4 2013, 12:17am
                I for what its worth would pay good money... Arannir Send a private message to Arannir May 3 2013, 6:58am
        Thanks for those ;) Arannir Send a private message to Arannir May 2 2013, 8:49pm
        Thank you // Rostron2 Send a private message to Rostron2 May 3 2013, 9:24pm
    What about Pippin saving Gandalf´s life at ROTK? Mr. Arkenstone (isaac) Send a private message to Mr. Arkenstone (isaac) May 2 2013, 7:57pm
        Yep Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone May 2 2013, 8:06pm
            I think in a Middle Earth´s power scale its a pretty good deal Mr. Arkenstone (isaac) Send a private message to Mr. Arkenstone (isaac) May 2 2013, 8:18pm
    One shouldn't confuse Silverlode Send a private message to Silverlode May 3 2013, 6:23am
        100% agreed. Arannir Send a private message to Arannir May 3 2013, 6:55am
        The problem Silverlode, is that while we learned and in the know can differnetiate and explain it away AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 3 2013, 7:17am
            Well, then... Silverlode Send a private message to Silverlode May 3 2013, 7:42am
                I very much agree with this... Arannir Send a private message to Arannir May 3 2013, 7:58am
                    TTT ... Yngwulff Send a private message to Yngwulff May 3 2013, 8:43am
                        He wasn't the weakest... Arannir Send a private message to Arannir May 3 2013, 8:48am
                            Who was the weakest then in terms of power? Yngwulff Send a private message to Yngwulff May 3 2013, 8:54am
                                From the four we got in AUJ... Arannir Send a private message to Arannir May 3 2013, 9:15am
                                    When you've got a serious crush t_bomb Send a private message to t_bomb May 3 2013, 1:56pm
                                        Although I think "crush" is the wrong word... Arannir Send a private message to Arannir May 3 2013, 2:20pm
                                Where would you get this idea? Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 May 3 2013, 7:25pm
                                    You are absolutely right. And Bombadil is Maiar. We confirmed it during a long chat. AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 3 2013, 8:51pm
                                        Bombadil being a Maia Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 May 5 2013, 9:18pm
                                            We don't see very many Maiar with the Ring, other than The Wizards who are burdned by AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 6 2013, 12:15am
                Jackson just can't win. Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone May 3 2013, 4:08pm
                No, it won't. Because to learn the lesson, one must be corrected. What are the odds of AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 3 2013, 6:24pm
                    Eh.... Silverlode Send a private message to Silverlode May 4 2013, 3:05am
                        One person, perhaps. Millions of them. . . another matter. The notion AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 4 2013, 5:21am
                            The millions seem unlikely... Arannir Send a private message to Arannir May 4 2013, 8:18am
                                It would seem that some have decided that the perception is not there to be read, and are gping to willfully AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 4 2013, 11:43am
                                    well, I guess again we will agree to disagree... Arannir Send a private message to Arannir May 4 2013, 12:48pm
                                    You caught us! Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone May 4 2013, 3:19pm
                                        Bomby izz Withholding any comments until... Bombadil Send a private message to Bombadil May 4 2013, 4:32pm
                                        Not to annoy me, and not for having a different opinion. Yet, it is one thing to say "I did not perceive the scene thus," AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 6 2013, 12:09am
                                            I perceive the situation this way: Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth May 6 2013, 1:49am
                        I agree wholeheartedly, Silverlode elaen32 Send a private message to elaen32 May 4 2013, 7:14am
                            I think the second half of the scene was lovely, and I read it in the same aspect AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 4 2013, 12:02pm
        Spot on... Elwen Send a private message to Elwen May 3 2013, 3:33pm
            That last bit Silverlode Send a private message to Silverlode May 4 2013, 3:34am
                And yet the joke is on Elrond, for Gandalf was, if we read it that way, clearly a step if not three AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 4 2013, 5:25am
                There is a hint of humor there isn't there? Elwen Send a private message to Elwen May 7 2013, 6:03pm
        Exactly! Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone May 3 2013, 4:02pm
        Subtexts - and teamwork Na Vedui Send a private message to Na Vedui May 4 2013, 12:12am
    I share ALL of your fears, even if I am not QUITE as grim in my reading of his interaction in AUJ. Not QUITE!!! AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 3 2013, 7:06am
    The other Council members are merely speaking their minds. emre43 Send a private message to emre43 May 3 2013, 7:29am
        Gandalf the Greyinator! Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone May 3 2013, 2:56pm
    Its all good to me nhui06 Send a private message to nhui06 May 3 2013, 4:32pm
        Casual filmgoers aren't interested, true. We fans ARE interested, and very much so// Radagast-Aiwendil Send a private message to Radagast-Aiwendil May 3 2013, 8:27pm
    My dear Radagast. . . don't you just HATE it when some significant matter is erroneously (and eggregiously so) portrayed AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 3 2013, 6:54pm
        Agreed Master Olorin Radagast-Aiwendil Send a private message to Radagast-Aiwendil May 3 2013, 8:23pm
            I have tried to resign myself (and not always triumphantly) to the fact that some fans, even among those who know better, AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 3 2013, 9:17pm
                The thing is... Arannir Send a private message to Arannir May 3 2013, 10:08pm
                Narf! Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone May 4 2013, 3:53am
        Hallucination? Heresy? Righteous Indignation? Arannir Send a private message to Arannir May 3 2013, 8:28pm
            It didn't even occur to me that Gandalf seemed somehow inferior to Galadriel Glorfindela Send a private message to Glorfindela May 3 2013, 10:19pm
                Same here TheSexyBeard Send a private message to TheSexyBeard May 3 2013, 10:28pm
                Yet how much of that is because you already knew better, and your foreknowledge informed your perception and interpretation? AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 4 2013, 12:39am
            The fact is, for at least the next couple decades in all likelyhood, due to the massive popularity of these movies AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin May 3 2013, 10:25pm

 
 
 

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