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CuriousG
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Apr 21 2013, 3:14am
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Silmarillion Discussion: chapter schedule and leaders
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Here's the schedule for the rest of the book. We'll update as we go along.
The Ainulindalė - CuriousG
The Valaquenta - noWizardme
1. Of the Beginning of Days - noWizardme
2. Of Aulė and Yavanna - Telain
3. Of the Coming of the Elves and the Captivity of Melkor - CuriousG
4. Of Thingol and Melian - NZ Strider
5. Of Eldamar and the Princes of the Eldaliė - weaver
6. Of Fėanor and the Unchaining of Melkor - telain
7. Of the Silmarils and the Unrest of the Noldor - elevorn
8. Of the Darkening of Valinor - Ardamire
9. Of the Flight of the Noldor - noWizardme
10. Of the Sindar - Finwe - Week of April 21
11. Of the Sun and Moon and the Hiding of Valinor - ElendilTheShort - Week of April 28
12. Of Men - Maciliel - Week of May 5
13. Of the Return of the Noldor - Brethil - Week of May 12
14. Of Beleriand and its Realms - telain - Week of May 19
15. Of the Noldor in Beleriand - Brethil - Week of May 26
16. Of Maeglin -- Maciliel - Week of June 2
17. Of the Coming of Men into the West - sador - Week of June 9
18. Of the Ruin of Beleriand and the Fall of Fingolfin - noWizardme - Week of June 16
19. Of Beren and Lśthien - CuriousG - Weeks of June 23 and June 30
20. Of the Fifth Battle: Nirnaeth Arnoediad - Hamfast Gamgee - Week of July 7
21. Of Tśrin Turambar - Brethil - Weeks of July 14 and 21
22. Of the Ruin of Doriath - Faenoriel - Week of July 28
23. Of Tuor and the Fall of Gondolin - Maciliel - Week of August 4
24. Of the Voyage of Eärendil and the War of Wrath - ??? - Week of August 11
The Akallabźth - the history of the Second Age
Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age
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noWizardme
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Apr 21 2013, 10:18am
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Hey, you're sticky! How did you get sticky (if that's not an indelicate question?)
Really good though of some navigation to the read-through can stick around.
Disclaimers: The words of noWizardme may stand on their heads! I'm often wrong about things, and its fun to be taught more....
"nowimė I am in the West, and by other names in other lands. Mostly they just say 'Oh no it's him - look busy!' "
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elaen32
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Apr 21 2013, 10:30am
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It's really helpful- I've been desperately trying to catch up in my Sil reading so I can join in the discussions (I haven't read it for a few years), but always seem to have been that half step behind. Now I know what to have read by when.
"Beneath the roof of sleeping leaves the dreams of trees unfold"
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CuriousG
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Apr 21 2013, 1:52pm
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Well, I felt all grown up on TORN
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Getting my first sticky and all. And yes, there are all sorts of indelicate ways to use that word which must be navigated like a minefield. We could have a sticky on the etiquette of discussing stickies.
Searching the FAQ and searching in general, I didn't find a "how-to" anywhere, so I asked one of the Modar for help. Turns out you just create a regular post, and the magical Modar turn it into a sticky "voila" style. When we get to Unfinished Tales, whoever leads that discussion can have mine stickied over.
I'll add that I didn't put a date for Akallabeth and Rings of Power out of oversight, just that a lot can change between now and September, so any schedule now could be moot (of the non-entish kind) by then. We'll figure it out when we get closer to them.
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noWizardme
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Apr 22 2013, 11:25am
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Links to the chapters that have been discussed so far (up to & incl. Ch 8)
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Here's the schedule for the rest of the book. We'll update as we go along. I've added links to the chapters that have been discussed so far (the older ones can become hard to find by browsing) Click the chapter title for the magic to happen...Except where discussion was divided into several threads, in which case I list those under the chapter title. Happy reading! The Ainulindalė - CuriousG : The Valaquenta - noWizardme 1. Of the Beginning of Days - noWizardme 2. Of Aulė and Yavanna - Telain 3. Of the Coming of the Elves and the Captivity of Melkor - CuriousG 4. Of Thingol and Melian - NZ Strider 5. Of Eldamar and the Princes of the Eldaliė - weaver Part 1; *Silmarillion Discussion: Chapter 5, "Of Eldamar and the Princes of the Eldalie", Part 1 -- Who Goes and Who Stays* Part 2: *Silmarillion Discussion: Chapter 5, "Of Eldamar and the Princes of the Eldalie", Part 2 -- The Great Teleri Compromise and a Guided Tour
* part 3: *Silmarillion Discussion: Chapter 5, "Of Eldamar and the Princes of the Eldalie", Part 3 -- Meet the Noldor Cast** Conclusion: *Silmarillion Discussion: Chapter 5, "Of Eldamar and the Princes of the Eldalie", Conclusion -- Go Teleri on the Mountain...** 6. Of Fėanor and the Unchaining of Melkor - telain Silmarilion Discussion, Chapter 6: "Of Feanor..." 1 of 2
Silmarilion Discussion, Chapter 6: "...and the Unchaining of Melkor" 2 of 2
7. Of the Silmarils and the Unrest of the Noldor - elevorn 8. Of the Darkening of Valinor - Ardamire 9. Of the Flight of the Noldor - noWizardme **Silmarillion Discussion 2013, Chapter 9: Of The Flight of the Noldor (Ring of Doom scene) **Silmarillion Discussion 2013, Part 2 of Chapter 9: Of The Flight of the Noldor (Melkor and Ungoliant) Rivendell 0 secs ago **Silmarillion Discussion 2013, Part 3 of Chapter 9: Of The Flight of the Noldor ( Feanor's oath, the kinslaying, the journey back to Middle-earth) These threads are not "finished" in that anyone who has a further question or comment they want to post can do so.
Disclaimers: The words of noWizardme may stand on their heads! I'm often wrong about things, and its fun to be taught more.... "nowimė I am in the West, and by other names in other lands. Mostly they just say 'Oh no it's him - look busy!' "
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CuriousG
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Apr 22 2013, 4:54pm
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Thanks for putting that all together, noWiz. Great reference tool.
Seeing your "Rivendell 0 secs ago" keeps making me think you're a time traveler. Can you please find out some winning lottery numbers and report back?
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Finwe
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Apr 22 2013, 5:50pm
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Thanks for all your work organizaing these discussions! //
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As three great Jewels they were in form. But not until the End, when Fėanor shall return who perished ere the Sun was made, and sits now in the Halls of Awaiting and comes no more among his kin; not until the Sun passes and the Moon falls, shall it be known of what substance they were made. Like the crystal of diamonds it appeared, and yet was more strong than adamant, so that no violence could mar it or break it within the Kingdom of Arda.
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noWizardme
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Jun 9 2013, 4:27pm
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UPDATED 9 June 2013: Links for chapters up to and including the first thread of Chapter 17
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Here are links to the chapters that have been discussed so far (the older ones can become hard to find by browsing) Click the chapter title for the magic to happen...Except where discussion was divided into several threads, in which case I list those under the chapter title. Happy reading! (apologies for the increasoingly random formatting -  : may try to take time to fix that next update) These threads are not "finished" in that anyone who has a further question or comment they want to post can do so.
And please note - you don't have to be Mr or Ms Megaknowledgeabletolkienscholar to participate! These are NOT private discussions. YOU are very welcome to join in!  The Ainulindalė - CuriousG : The Valaquenta - noWizardme 1. Of the Beginning of Days - noWizardme 2. Of Aulė and Yavanna - Telain 3. Of the Coming of the Elves and the Captivity of Melkor - CuriousG 4. Of Thingol and Melian - NZ Strider 5. Of Eldamar and the Princes of the Eldaliė - weaver Part 1; *Silmarillion Discussion: Chapter 5, "Of Eldamar and the Princes of the Eldalie", Part 1 -- Who Goes and Who Stays* Part 2: *Silmarillion Discussion: Chapter 5, "Of Eldamar and the Princes of the Eldalie", Part 2 -- The Great Teleri Compromise and a Guided Tour
* part 3: *Silmarillion Discussion: Chapter 5, "Of Eldamar and the Princes of the Eldalie", Part 3 -- Meet the Noldor Cast** Conclusion: *Silmarillion Discussion: Chapter 5, "Of Eldamar and the Princes of the Eldalie", Conclusion -- Go Teleri on the Mountain...** 6. Of Fėanor and the Unchaining of Melkor - telain Silmarilion Discussion, Chapter 6: "Of Feanor..." 1 of 2
Silmarilion Discussion, Chapter 6: "...and the Unchaining of Melkor" 2 of 2
7. Of the Silmarils and the Unrest of the Noldor - elevorn 8. Of the Darkening of Valinor - Ardamire 9. Of the Flight of the Noldor - noWizardme **Silmarillion Discussion 2013, Chapter 9: Of The Flight of the Noldor (Ring of Doom scene) **Silmarillion Discussion 2013, Part 2 of Chapter 9: Of The Flight of the Noldor (Melkor and Ungoliant) Rivendell 0 secs ago **Silmarillion Discussion 2013, Part 3 of Chapter 9: Of The Flight of the Noldor ( Feanor's oath, the kinslaying, the journey back to Middle-earth) 10. Silmarillion Discussion Chapter 10: Of the Sindar - Finwe
11. Chapter 11: Of the Sun and the Moon and the Hiding of Valinor - ElendilTheShort
12. Of Men - Maciliel
Silmarilion Discussion: Chapter 12 -- "Of Men," Part 1
Silmarilion Discussion: Chapter 12 -- "Of Men," Part 2: The Biosphere of Arda
13. Of the Return of the Noldor - Brethil
14. Of Beleriand and its Realms - telain Silmarillion, Chapter 14: Of Beleriand and its Realms
Silmarillion, Chapter 14: Much, much more on the geography of Beleriand and its Realms
15. Of the Noldor in Beleriand - Brethil - 16. Of Maeglin -- Maciliel
17. Of the Coming of Men into the West - sador (just started)
Disclaimers: The words of noWizardme may stand on their heads! I'm often wrong about things, and its fun to be taught more.... "nowimė I am in the West, Furincurunir to the Dwarves (or at least, to their best friend) and by other names in other lands. Mostly they just say 'Oh no it's him - look busy!' " Or "Hold off! unhand me, grey-beard loon!"
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CuriousG
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Jun 9 2013, 4:29pm
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Thanks for doing this again, Wiz! //
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noWizardme
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Jun 22 2013, 4:51pm
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How about if we discuss letter 131 when we've finished?
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It's the letter Tolkien wrote to a potential other publisher, explaining what the Silmarillion was about.
It might be a fun way of starting a discussion about general themes in the book, while the chapter-by-chapter discussions we had are still fairly fresh in the memory
It's reproduced in the 2nd Edition of the Silmarillion, so doesn't require everyone to have a copy of Letters
Disclaimers: The words of noWizardme may stand on their heads! I'm often wrong about things, and its fun to be taught more....
"nowimė I am in the West, Furincurunir to the Dwarves (or at least, to their best friend) and by other names in other lands. Mostly they just say 'Oh no it's him - look busy!' "
Or "Hold off! unhand me, grey-beard loon!"
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Brethil
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Jun 22 2013, 5:32pm
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Or we can pass copies around too, if needed. I would transcribe it if necessary and PM it. Its such a wide-ranging letter and deals with so much underlying philosophy. I would be up for it Furincurunir!
Manwe, when asked a simple "Yes" or "No" question, contemplated, and responded "the middle one."
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elaen32
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Jun 22 2013, 7:28pm
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"Beneath the roof of sleeping leaves the dreams of trees unfold"
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squire
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Jun 22 2013, 9:30pm
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That is definitely a discussion in itself
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And it is quite relevant to a Silmarillion discussion. Here, since you asked (or would have), are the links to the last discussion of #131 which was part of the general Letters of J. R. R. Tolkien discussion back in 2005. A return to the subject should be great with mostly new members. I am really enjoying the spirit and interests of what I think of as the Reading Room Redivivus!
TORn Reading Room: The Letters of J. R. R. Tolkien Discussion. LETTER 131, Aug.-Sept. 2005
-Letter #131: Myth and Fairy-story
-Letter #131: Allegory, the Fall, Mortality, and the Machine
-Letter #131: Magic and the Cosmogonical Myth
-Letter #131: The History of the Elves
-Letter #131: The Rest of the Story
-hmmm, am I up? 2nd half of Letter 131, right?
-The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien: Letter #131, Week 2. Second Age: The Elves, Sauron, and the Rings
-The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien: Letter #131, Week 2. Second Age: Nśmenór
-The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien: Letter #131, Week 2. Third Age: Hobbits and The War of the Ring.
-The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien: Letter #131. Conclusion.
squire online:
RR Discussions: The Valaquenta, A Shortcut to Mushrooms, and Of Herbs and Stewed Rabbit
Lights! Action! Discuss on the Movie board!: 'A Journey in the Dark'. and 'Designing The Two Towers'.
Footeramas: The 3rd (and NOW the 4th too!) TORn Reading Room LotR Discussion; and "Tolkien would have LOVED it!"
squiretalk introduces the J.R.R. Tolkien Encyclopedia: A Reader's Diary
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Brethil
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Jun 22 2013, 10:31pm
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I would love to put this together!!!!! So that everyone has access I can cut/paste/transcribe #131 and share it with everyone, so no one without Letters is left out.  
Manwe, when asked a simple "Yes" or "No" question, contemplated, and responded "the middle one."
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Brethil
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Jun 22 2013, 11:57pm
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was actually thinking of sending around like an attachment as I did with the Doug's Law and Arda article. Then there is no reposting of large sections. Shall I run that by the Modar to vet the idea?
Manwe, when asked a simple "Yes" or "No" question, contemplated, and responded "the middle one."
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Maciliel
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Jun 23 2013, 1:37am
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perhaps if we made it read more like twitter speak: "mlkor wz pwned thn in mandos crib 3ages lol!"
no copyright violations there, i think.
cheers --
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aka. fili orc-enshield
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the scene, as i understand it, is exceptionally well-written. fili (in sort of a callback to the scene with the eagles), calls out "thorRIIIIIIN!!!" just as he sees the pale orc veer in for the kill. he picks up the severed arm of an orc which is lying on the ground, swings it up in desperation, effectively blocking the pale orc's blow. and thus, forever after, fili is known as "fili orc-enshield."
this earns him deep respect from his hard-to-please uncle. as well as a hug. kili wipes his boots on the pale orc's glory box. -- maciliel telpemairo
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Maciliel
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Jun 23 2013, 1:39am
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your profile indicates you are a history teacher... perhaps you can commiserate with a longtime friend of mine, who is a professor... he says a lot of his students submit papers in text-speak... "u" for "you"; "bcoz" for "beause" and so on... the sad thing is, in those cases, the students weren't aware of the standard format, from which they were deviating.
arugh!
cheers : )
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aka. fili orc-enshield
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the scene, as i understand it, is exceptionally well-written. fili (in sort of a callback to the scene with the eagles), calls out "thorRIIIIIIN!!!" just as he sees the pale orc veer in for the kill. he picks up the severed arm of an orc which is lying on the ground, swings it up in desperation, effectively blocking the pale orc's blow. and thus, forever after, fili is known as "fili orc-enshield."
this earns him deep respect from his hard-to-please uncle. as well as a hug. kili wipes his boots on the pale orc's glory box. -- maciliel telpemairo
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noWizardme
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Jun 23 2013, 8:11am
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Kind offer, but we might be able to spare you the typing
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The text of the letter can be found in a few places online e.g. http://smu.edu/...olkienLetters131.pdf
I suggest we do a bit of googling before we start, and link to an existing copy if there is one. If they've all been removed, that suggests the publisher's been issuing take-down notices, & we can rethink accordingly given what that would suggest about their attitude. It may be something of a non problem: many of us will have the letter already (2e Sil, or a copy of Letters), or be willing to buy a copy of Letters. Nice not to exclude anyone, though.
Disclaimers: The words of noWizardme may stand on their heads! I'm often wrong about things, and its fun to be taught more....
"nowimė I am in the West, Furincurunir to the Dwarves (or at least, to their best friend) and by other names in other lands. Mostly they just say 'Oh no it's him - look busy!' "
Or "Hold off! unhand me, grey-beard loon!"
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Brethil
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Jun 23 2013, 10:27am
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Thanks Furincurunir, that's a great resource! Levels the field for anyone who may want to join in with out Letters or the 2nd E Sil. Better to have access to the whole thing and be able to read it in context; then we can discuss it thematically as well. As Squire pointed out, we can post reference bits but better if it can be read as whole.
Thanks for finding that!!!  (Always good having a wizard on one's team.)
Manwe, when asked a simple "Yes" or "No" question, contemplated, and responded "the middle one."
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noWizardme
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Jun 23 2013, 10:43am
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Brethil- are you keen to do this? If we do it immediately after the Sil finishes, it would be in mid/late August. That might clash with my holidays, a time where I may have little/no online access. So very happy if someone wants to take it on!
Or I could do it at a non holiday time !
Disclaimers: The words of noWizardme may stand on their heads! I'm often wrong about things, and its fun to be taught more....
"nowimė I am in the West, Furincurunir to the Dwarves (or at least, to their best friend) and by other names in other lands. Mostly they just say 'Oh no it's him - look busy!' "
Or "Hold off! unhand me, grey-beard loon!"
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Maciliel
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Jun 23 2013, 12:09pm
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i was going to suggest that brethil leads the #131 discussion (if she likes), as she +does+ have #131 tattooed on her arda.
cheers : )
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the scene, as i understand it, is exceptionally well-written. fili (in sort of a callback to the scene with the eagles), calls out "thorRIIIIIIN!!!" just as he sees the pale orc veer in for the kill. he picks up the severed arm of an orc which is lying on the ground, swings it up in desperation, effectively blocking the pale orc's blow. and thus, forever after, fili is known as "fili orc-enshield."
this earns him deep respect from his hard-to-please uncle. as well as a hug. kili wipes his boots on the pale orc's glory box. -- maciliel telpemairo
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noWizardme
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Jun 23 2013, 1:36pm
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I'm imagining something like... http://m.flickr.com/...onickels/4699015688/
Disclaimers: The words of noWizardme may stand on their heads! I'm often wrong about things, and its fun to be taught more....
"nowimė I am in the West, Furincurunir to the Dwarves (or at least, to their best friend) and by other names in other lands. Mostly they just say 'Oh no it's him - look busy!' "
Or "Hold off! unhand me, grey-beard loon!"
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Brethil
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Jun 23 2013, 1:46pm
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(*snicker*) Right above my Arda indeed...//
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Manwe, when asked a simple "Yes" or "No" question, contemplated, and responded "the middle one."
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Brethil
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Jun 23 2013, 1:48pm
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Happy to!!! And thanks again for finding it online, we can embed the link and everyone can keep up.
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Thanks Squire for the links!
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