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TheWhiteRider
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Jan 10 2013, 5:08pm
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Why has Azog not aged ??
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He looks about the same as he is shown in the battle of Azanulbizar. Do orcs not age ??
From the promo pics of Bolg, it looks like as if Bolg is Azog's father. He looks much older than him with the huge beard and scarred face. Maybe Azog died in the battle and the necromancer resurrected him in his old body 
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DanielLB
Elvenhome
Jan 10 2013, 5:11pm
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In the book, Bolg died 140 years after Azog died, so they certainly can live for long periods of time. This can likely be linked to their origin, especially those that are descended from Elves.
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Beren0nehanded
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Jan 10 2013, 5:21pm
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Are there any good discussions about Tolkien's orcs and their life spans and such here . . .
I bet if I wielded the search box in the reading room I would find something . . .
Don't be hasty.
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DanielLB
Elvenhome
Jan 10 2013, 5:29pm
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Here's one interesting discussion on whether Orcs are immortal. Google gives plenty of links too. It's not something I'm clued up on. I'd have to read up on it first to give any opinion.
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Skaan
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Jan 10 2013, 5:34pm
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Azog resurrected by the Necromancer
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I still believe Azog died from his wounds at the battle of Moria, and that it was the Necromancer who resurrected him. Wich also explains why he didn't seem older.
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stoutfiles
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Jan 10 2013, 6:00pm
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Orcs bred from corrupted elves are most likely immortal
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However, there is no definite confirmation on that.
To be fair, Thorin has barely aged. Some of his hair changed color. We aren't sure exactly how much time has passed in the movie universe.
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Kassandros
Nargothrond
Jan 10 2013, 6:06pm
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Or so I've heard from people who analyzed this closely.
And I thought we are sure? The movie says "60 years".
all we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us...
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Ave Moria
Ossiriand
Jan 10 2013, 6:10pm
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Lotion 
-In the Darkness, a torch we hold-
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Ave Moria
Ossiriand
Jan 10 2013, 6:11pm
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What is the point of being a Necromancer if you don't actually RAISE anything or anyone from the dead?
The question is, who will it be?
-In the Darkness, a torch we hold-
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Kassandros
Nargothrond
Jan 10 2013, 6:21pm
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all we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us...
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Kimtc
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Jan 10 2013, 6:30pm
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Well, if you live mostly underground you don't get much sun
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But that pipe smoking will play havoc with your skin; he must keep it to a minimum.
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TheWhiteRider
Nevrast
Jan 10 2013, 6:53pm
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His hair have gone white since the battle..
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Eruonen
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Jan 10 2013, 6:57pm
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I never liked that "attempted" origin story from JRRT.
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It raises too many questions that make the "elvish" origin untenable - immortality, breeding rates etc.
Another "attempted" origin was using men related to Pukelmen / Druadain etc.
JRRT never really came to a final source.
To me, the obvious answer was for Morgoth to immitate Aule and create beings in mockery of the First Born.
If Aule could come up with dwarves Morgoth could have come up with orcs/ goblins. Plus, because they would not have independent existence without Morgoth / Sauron they are more of the "robotic" beings required for those without free will. However, they could have been bred with humans etc. for added qualities.
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Rane
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Jan 10 2013, 7:03pm
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Kimtc
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Jan 10 2013, 7:27pm
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I wonder if the filmmakers think about this stuff the way we do
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Or they just do it and hope the audience accepts that orcs live a long time and don't look any worse than they already do. I'm serious about this. I know PJ, et. al. are up on the books, lore, etc., but there may just be some things they do without planning an explanation. I really don't know.
He looks about the same as he is shown in the battle of Azanulbizar. Do orcs not age ?? From the promo pics of Bolg, it looks like as if Bolg is Azog's father. He looks much older than him with the huge beard and scarred face. Maybe Azog died in the battle and the necromancer resurrected him in his old body |
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Lieutenant of Dol Guldur
Mithlond
Jan 10 2013, 7:28pm
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didn't Sauron also "resurrect" the "dead" left arm of Azog? If he can summon the dead (like the Nazgūl) why wasn't he able to summon a new arm?  Btw this is a serious thought of mine!
"There is only one Lord of the Ring, only one who can bend it to his will. And he does not share power."
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dave_lf
Mithlond
Jan 10 2013, 7:35pm
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Same reason he doesn't make Sting glow //
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peace1993
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Jan 10 2013, 7:47pm
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Forgive me if this sounds stupid but, why doesn't Sting glow when the group are attacked by Azog and co. at the end of the film.
Sam: Trust a Brandybuck and a Took.
Merry: What? That was just a detour, a shortcut.
Sam: Shortcut to what?
Pippin: Mushrooms!
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Mooseboy018
Hithlum
Jan 10 2013, 8:24pm
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It's just really faint compared to when it was glowing in the caves.
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Lightice
Menegroth
Jan 10 2013, 8:24pm
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Because they were behind the black in those scenes
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Forgive me if this sounds stupid but, why doesn't Sting glow when the group are attacked by Azog and co. at the end of the film.
Basically, it seems to me that in these films Sting only glows when there are orcs literally in the same shot with it, save for very few, usually plot-related exceptions. Maybe the animators think its distracting otherwise, maybe they just plain-out forgot, like they did with Glamdring in the LotR-trilogy. With all the stuff to take care for, a few shots of a sword are easy to miss. Still, I hope that they fix these moments for the extended edition.
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stoutfiles
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Jan 10 2013, 8:35pm
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The events of Thorin's life (Smaug, first battle with Azog) have no set movie timeline. These happened long before The Hobbit, but not sure how long.
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dave_lf
Mithlond
Jan 10 2013, 8:44pm
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It glows when he fights Fimbul, but not when he brandishes it at Azog a moment later. I watched carefully for this last time.
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Rostron2
Mithlond
Jan 10 2013, 9:49pm
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Tolkien gives a clue about this in the conversations between Shagrat and Gorbag in LOTR (book) They talk about the 'good old days' when there were 'no bosses'. Implication that at the very least they have lived long enough to be around before Sauron's return. Maybe even as long as the Second Age. I need to re-read that section again.
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pettytyrant101
Menegroth
Jan 10 2013, 10:20pm
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I always thought the name most likely came about by the association of the Ring-wraiths to Dol-Guldur- the undead servants as far as any people living nearby would think.
Also Saurons mere presence back in the world seems to stir up things like wights, also undead.
I never saw it as him actually raising up dead bodies to get the name, otherwise he could just resurrect orcs as they died on the Pelennor.
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