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Old Toby
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Jan 6 2013, 5:31am
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What is Thorin saying at Bilbo's?
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I've seen the movie eight times now, and I still haven't been able to figure out the word that Thorin says when he's talking to the dwarves at Bilbo's right after he says they should take back what is rightfully theirs. I suspect it's some dwarvish word? He says it twice in a row (which did me no good). Anyone here know?
"Age is always advancing and I'm fairly sure it's up to no good." Harry Dresden (Jim Butcher)
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Kullervo
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Jan 6 2013, 6:06am
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but if I remember correctly it sounded something like ublākhūh (="greatest powers" according to khuzdul dictionary) or something similar. But, like I said, I could be remembering it wrong what it sounded like.
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N.E. Brigand
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Jan 6 2013, 6:21am
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The dwarves are all shouting about Gandalf and dragons, and Bilbo is stammering, when Thorin shouts something that I could not make out, and then he says:
"If we have read these signs, do you not think others will have read them too? Rumors have begun to spread. The dragon Smaug has not been seen for sixty years. Eyes look east to the mountain, assessing, wondering, weighing the risk. Perhaps the vast wealth of our people now lies unprotected. Do we sit back while others claim what is rightfully ours, or do we seize this chance to take back Erebor?"
I didn't hear Thorin say anything just after that. All the dwarves shout, and Balin quickly says, "You forget: the front gate is sealed. There is no way into the mountain."
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Old Toby
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Jan 6 2013, 6:33am
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Yes, it was immediately after he said this
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that he said that word...twice. Quite loudly, but what with everyone else shouting it wasn't clear.
BTW, man, do you have a good memory or what? I'm impressed you could repeat his little speech....now if only you caught the last word!
"Age is always advancing and I'm fairly sure it's up to no good." Harry Dresden (Jim Butcher)
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Old Toby
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Jan 6 2013, 6:35am
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Thanks! I'll try to listen for that word next time.
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but if I remember correctly it sounded something like ublākhūh (="greatest powers" according to khuzdul dictionary) or something similar. But, like I said, I could be remembering it wrong what it sounded like.
And yes indeed, there will be a next time!
"Age is always advancing and I'm fairly sure it's up to no good." Harry Dresden (Jim Butcher)
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Kullervo
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Jan 6 2013, 6:43am
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Like I said, my memory could be betraying me, but I'm pretty sure it sounded at least like something of that kind. I'll try to listen to it next time too. And then the next time, and the next and the next... 
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Roheryn
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Jan 6 2013, 6:45am
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but couldn't make it out either. I finally decided it must be Dwarvish, and since I haven't yet passed Dwarvish 101, he loses me there. But I did wonder if it was some rallying cry ("YEAH! Let's go get 'im, lads!") or something more like "Would you lot shut up and listen to me!!!".
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N.E. Brigand
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Jan 6 2013, 6:46am
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And what kind of iron does Ori want to stick up Smaug's jacksie?
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On the subject of words I can't understand: "I'm not afraid. I'm up for it. I'll give him a taste of the ____ iron right up his jacksie."
(That is Ori, right? I wasn't keeping up with early news about the film, so unlike most people here, I couldn't keep the dwarves straight.)
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N.E. Brigand
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Jan 6 2013, 6:56am
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And as regards Bilbo's cheese.
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Has anyone made better notes than I managed on the following exchange?
DWALIN: What's this?
BALIN: I don't know. _____________ cheese, gone blue.
DWALIN: It's riddled with mold.
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The Mitch King
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Jan 6 2013, 6:56am
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On the subject of words I can't understand: "I'm not afraid. I'm up for it. I'll give him a taste of the ____ iron right up his jacksie."
(That is Ori, right? I wasn't keeping up with early news about the film, so unlike most people here, I couldn't keep the dwarves straight.)
Was it "Dwarven iron"?
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Jan 6 2013, 6:57am
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I definitely got the impression
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that it was some sort of rallying cry, or something like "Now, who's with me?!"
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N.E. Brigand
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Jan 6 2013, 7:35am
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And how does Bilbo describe his mother's crockery?
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Another gap in my notes: as plates are flying around, Bilbo says, "Please! That's my mother's ___________. It's a hundred years old!" Can anyone fill in the blank?
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Vaire
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Jan 6 2013, 7:49am
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He just pronounces it weirdly.
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Steerpike
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Jan 6 2013, 7:58am
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DWALIN: What's this?
BALIN: I don't know. I think it's supposed to be cheese. It's gone blue.
DWALIN: It's riddled with mold.
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Steerpike
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Jan 6 2013, 7:58am
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"Excuse me! That's my mother's West Farthing crockery. It's over a hundred years old!"
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TheWhiteRider
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Jan 6 2013, 8:08am
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I have been lucky enough to go once 
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Earl
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Jan 6 2013, 8:37am
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Gwaith-i-Phethdain has the complete dialogues and translations...
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... link.
Apparently Thorin says "Shazara!" which means "Silence!", and then again says "Du Bekār! Du Bekār!" meaning "To arms! To arms!"
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arithmancer
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Jan 6 2013, 2:36pm
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Thanks for that link, Earl! I enjoy reading about Tolkien's Middle Earth languages.
Unfortunately it seems that the page does not give a translation of what Thorin yells in the battle flashback, as he leads a charge of the Dwarves after cutting off the hand of Azog.
Any ideas? I assume it is some battle cry in Dwarvish as I could not make it out as English in multiple viewings...
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Bladerunner
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Jan 6 2013, 4:15pm
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I think he's shouting "I am majestic!!" in Khuzdūl. (jk).//
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Bladerunner
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Jan 6 2013, 4:24pm
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Actually in that moment, he reminds me of Gary Olman's Vlad the Impaler, from Bram Stoker's Dracula.//
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arithmancer
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Jan 6 2013, 4:51pm
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...Oh wait, this is not the "Ladies" thread. 
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Kimtc
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Jan 6 2013, 5:10pm
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One of the vlogs has them learning some Dwarvish
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but couldn't make it out either. I finally decided it must be Dwarvish, and since I haven't yet passed Dwarvish 101, he loses me there. But I did wonder if it was some rallying cry ("YEAH! Let's go get 'im, lads!") or something more like "Would you lot shut up and listen to me!!!".
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Old Toby
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Jan 6 2013, 5:28pm
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... link. Apparently Thorin says "Shazara!" which means "Silence!", and then again says "Du Bekār! Du Bekār!" meaning "To arms! To arms!"
Yup yup yup!!! That's it!! Thank you so much Earl!!!
I'm afraid my dwarvish is sadly lacking.
"Age is always advancing and I'm fairly sure it's up to no good." Harry Dresden (Jim Butcher)
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N.E. Brigand
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Jan 6 2013, 6:03pm
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Thanks. It sounded like "warfish" to me.
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I'd swear he dropped the D, and pronounced the V as an F. I thought it might be "wolfish", but couldn't figure out what that might mean.
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