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MorgolKing
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Dec 23 2012, 5:06am
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Playing Detective (Where will DOS end?)
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So DOS will contain at least part of the Laketown sequence:
http://the-hobbit-movie.com/2012/12/18/hobbit-crew-talk-about-smaug/
Also the battle of Dol Guldur will probably featured as Peter said White Council kicks butt in this movie.
But that's a lot to cram into this movie...I'm beginning to think it ends with Laketown attack but not death of Smaug.
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Elutherian
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Dec 23 2012, 7:21am
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There was a photo released a few days before the premiere...
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...That showed Bilbo inside Erebor. It was credited as being from DOS.
Also, Boyens or Walsh one said something along the lines of "audiences will be surprised to see how much happens after the dragon is dead."
Makes me think they'll take out Smaug by the end of the second film.
The Grey Pilgrim, they once called me. Three hundred lives of men I walked this earth, and now I have no time...
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Valandil ed Imladris
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Dec 23 2012, 9:00am
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I would end the movie with Bilbo finding the arkenstone and a hint at what Smaug is up to and begin TABA with his attack and death as a grand opening. I'm still thinking that there is not that much material for the third film if they kill off smaug in DOS. We would then have a film about a big battle and Bilbo's homecoming. That's some cool stuff, but not very much if you think about it in time-terms.
AUJ
1. An Unexpected Party
2. Roast Mutton
3. A Short Rest
4. Over Hill And Under Hill
5. Riddles In The Dark
6. Out Of The Frying-Pan Into The Fire
DOS
7. Queer Lodgings
8. Flies And Spiders
9. Barrels Out Of Bond
10. A Warm Welcome
11. On The Doorstep
12. Inside Information (ends with Smaug heading off to Lake-Town)
TABA
13. Not At Home
14. Fire And Water
15. A Gathering Of The Clouds
16. A Thief In The Night
17. The Clouds Burst
18. The Return Journey
19. The Last Stage
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hms_ocean
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Dec 23 2012, 10:39am
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Why are people asking where a movie with the word desolution with a characters name will end??????????
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DanielLB
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Dec 23 2012, 10:42am
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Likely a common misunderstanding
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"Desolation" refers to the physical location surrounding Erebor. Many people may assume that "desolation" refers to the death of Smaug.
It works both ways, of course. But in terms of Tolkien, it's the former.
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hms_ocean
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Dec 23 2012, 10:54am
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wish people had posted that in the first place
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and saved everyone the bother lol
Okay let's look at what Smaug actually does in the film and the timing Peter has to work with.
Probaly some back story shots to the character?, Bilbo finds him, Bilbo talks to him, we see what he has destroyed then he gets angry and goes and tries to destroy laketown.
Now to build up enough of the characters story to make a final impact ending to the movie (even TTT had an impact ending for a second film) the ending will either be based on the fact that Peter has shown heaps of what Smaug has destroyed and build up his death for the last movie or Smaug will in fact die in DOS.
I really think this movie will end with Smaugs death for a number of reasons-
1. His name is in the title meaning it is all about him, mostly, leaving him till the last film when it's mainly about the Battle of the Five armies and Dol goldur.
2. The White council stiff is much better left for the 3rd film along with the BOTFA. This will mean Peter will have plenty to work with in film 3 and allows time in film 2 to focus on Smaug. Of course they will still continue the White council story to a point and build it up.
3. With the build up to the LOTR peter wants to create, putting the Sauron battle in the second movie will leave him with nothing for Sauron to do in the 3rd film.
4. If Smaug continues onto the 3rd film it will drag his story out too long and make peter add stuff in to try and create a huge ending to DOS/
I for one don't want to see Smaug dieing at the start of TABA. Would be a complete waste of a build up,.
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TheCoon
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Dec 23 2012, 12:23pm
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philippa boyens has said in an interview with collider.com that the next films may be shorter than AUJ of course to which i say
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWaLxFIVX1s
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Arannir
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Dec 23 2012, 12:55pm
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philippa boyens has said in an interview with collider.com that the next films may be shorter than AUJ of course to which i say
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWaLxFIVX1s
She says that maybe a bit shorter, but probably around the same length.
"No, I think they’ll be around the same or slightly shorter ideally. It’ll be interesting though, we’ll see. I know from the rough cut of film two that at the moment you could say that it will be shorter."
That does not sound like 30 minutes shorter... maybe 15.
I wouldn't expect a very much shorter movie... certainly no reason for any panic or "Noooos".
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Arannir
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Dec 23 2012, 1:00pm
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So DOS will contain at least part of the Laketown sequence:
http://the-hobbit-movie.com/2012/12/18/hobbit-crew-talk-about-smaug/
Also the battle of Dol Guldur will probably featured as Peter said White Council kicks butt in this movie.
But that's a lot to cram into this movie...I'm beginning to think it ends with Laketown attack but not death of Smaug.
Well there already was a thread in which this was discussed in a very detailed way and different opinions were explained.
But to repeat myself, I think they would never put the death of Smaug and Dol Guldur in the same movie. For the same reason they never really thought about putting SHelob and Helm's Deep in the same movie as a climax: they would cancel each other off.
I am still convinced that the talk between Bilbo/Smaug, and Bilbo's flight out of Smaug's lair will be the climax of the Dwarves/Bilbo storyline, with Dol Guldur being the action-climax intercut with the Smaug scenes.
The last two scenes would be:
Second to last: Gandalf looking to the North, realizing he has to rush to Erebor as Dol Guldur has kept him way too long in the South.
Last Scene: Bilbo returning to the dwarves, the thrush leaves for Laketown (possibly with a message tied to her, as we have not seen talking animals, yet) and the final shot is Smaug pouring fire over the mountain-side (similar to the final shot of Mordor in TTT).
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Otaku-sempai
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Dec 23 2012, 3:57pm
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Last Scene: Bilbo returning to the dwarves, the thrush leaves for Laketown (possibly with a message tied to her, as we have not seen talking animals, yet) and the final shot is Smaug pouring fire over the mountain-side (similar to the final shot of Mordor in TTT).
The thrush doesn't speak (Westron) in the book either; Bard, as a descendant of Girion, has the ability to understand bird-speech. There is no need for Bilbo to send Bard a physical message.
I still think that the ravens of Lonely Mountain will talk, but they will probably not be introduced until There and Back Again.
If Smaug's death and the White Council's attack on Dol Guldur both happen in The Desolation of Smaug, I really don't know how there is enough left to fill the running time of the concluding film.
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