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Welsh hero
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Dec 22 2012, 7:06pm
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$261,523,000 world wide (foreign numbers need updating)
13th biggest prequel ever
19th biggest fantasy film ever
25th biggest film of 2012 world wide
-Irfon
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Captain Salt
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Dec 22 2012, 7:10pm
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Not bad at all for a week-and-a-half into release...
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Could crack the 500 mil mark in another couple weeks. Those aren't RotK numbers, but they aren't too shabby either. DoS and TABA will probably pull in more.
My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!
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Ardamírë
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Dec 22 2012, 7:32pm
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Not with these numbers.
But there's always the possibility I guess.
Aiya Eärendil Elenion Ancalima! Hail Eärendil, brightest of stars!
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Captain Salt
Dor-Lomin
Dec 22 2012, 7:36pm
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It's grossing a lot less per day than Avatar was at this point into release, so I don't know about a billion...
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Which is too bad, as in my humble opinion, AUJ was certainly a lot better than Avatar.
My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!
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Ardamírë
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Dec 22 2012, 7:39pm
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The only reason it made such an ungodly amount of money is the visuals and 3D.
Aiya Eärendil Elenion Ancalima! Hail Eärendil, brightest of stars!
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Welsh hero
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Dec 22 2012, 7:40pm
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We have not got foreign numbers yet, not been updated for a while
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Let's wait to see those numbers first 
-Irfon
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Elessar
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Dec 22 2012, 7:48pm
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This movie will be left out in theaters for a while. I'd say until probably February sometime so in the long term it will make some decent money. Sadly, the critics did some real damage to The Hobbit because I think they expected a LOTR redo and maybe wanted to bring the genre back down a notch. It stinks but it is what it is. There are many of us that know this is a fantastic film and I for one have enjoyed my 3 trips to see it so far.
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Captain Salt
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Dec 22 2012, 7:56pm
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The 48 frames debate and trilogy expansion have also colored the discourse on the film, unfortunatly.
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A lot of the reviews seemed to be reviewing these two aspects as much as the film itself.
Also, there's the fact that the audience and critics seem more jaded, more cynical, more demanding of MTV-style entertainment, less apt to be accepting of fantasy or wonder then they were even 9 years ago; TH didn't have a "too-cool-for-the-room" type character who's constantly making sarcastic remarks then smirking and mugging for the camera ALA, say, Robert Downey Jr. in the Avengers...nor is it bleak, post-September 11th. stuff ALA The Dark Knight Rises. Much of the mass audience/critics don't seem to know what to do with an old-fashioned, fun adventure story.
Of course, IMO AUJ is also a rather flawed film which failed to live up to its potential, so some of that criticism is legitimate. 
My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!
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Ardamírë
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Dec 22 2012, 8:00pm
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going in that the 48FPS and trilogy announcement would be controversial. There's no way they thought everyone would just say "Ok, that's great!" especially not the 48fps which is a radical change to the industry. I just don't think this was the best film to experiment with.
Aiya Eärendil Elenion Ancalima! Hail Eärendil, brightest of stars!
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Ardamírë
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Dec 22 2012, 8:01pm
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They'll have to be pretty extraordinary//
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Aiya Eärendil Elenion Ancalima! Hail Eärendil, brightest of stars!
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Captain Salt
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Dec 22 2012, 8:04pm
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and I was staunchly against the trilogy decision - it remains to be seen how that plays out. But a professional film critic should review the film itself primarily, (script, performances, direction, aesthetic design, ETC), and not focus so much on more tangential stuff, IE a projection format which is only one opinion for viewing the film, or an editing/structural choice which we've known about for quite some time.
My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!
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Ardamírë
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Dec 22 2012, 8:07pm
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I think both the HFR and trilogy decision were mistakes, as evidence by an (IMO) bloated AUJ. But as long as the next two films are fantastic, I'll accept the pitfalls of this one.
But I agree, the critics should have been critiquing the things you said, not just the trilogy format and HFR. That being said, I still think the film would receive a very mixed set of reviews.
Aiya Eärendil Elenion Ancalima! Hail Eärendil, brightest of stars!
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Elessar
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Dec 22 2012, 8:12pm
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Yeah, the side stuff not really important to the "actual" film itself is part of what I'm talking about. I agree with your post though as I think the world is enough different now that maybe films like LOTR or The Hobbit might not do as well.
I agree its not a perfect film but for me it lived up to its potential. 
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Valandil ed Imladris
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Dec 22 2012, 8:37pm
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just let it run, it's just started 12 days ago
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and Australia hasn't even the possibility yet to show it. And it will be in cinemas for quite a while. I'm confident about the billion $! 
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anthonyroy
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Dec 22 2012, 9:21pm
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Thought it would do much better at the start of it's second weekend. See how it does on Saturday/Sunday but looks to be some way off weekend predictions of $50m. Hope people have not been put off by the negative buzz before hand with the film in press in regards to 3 films, the length and the frame rate as the general consensus from people seeing the film has been pretty damn good.
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Aragalen the Green
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Dec 22 2012, 10:04pm
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Hoping for a good showing on Christmas Day?
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It has been a tradition in my family to see movies on Christmas Day, and that's when we are planning to go. Perhaps families will be doing the same thing, taking the kids to see the Hobbit!
" Well well!", said a voice. "Just look! Bilbo the hobbit on a pony, my dear! Isn't it delicious!"
"Most astonishing wonderful!"
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wendy woo
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Dec 22 2012, 10:16pm
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but Les Mis breaks that day, so it will be taking a good share of the pie  . The Hobbit does, however, have more "family-friendliness" perhaps (if you have older youngsters) than does the musical. We can only hope for the best!
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anthonyroy
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Not that the family's will be going to see that together . Les Mis, Hobbit and Django. If Hobbit carries on sliding it will struggle to hold it's ground at the top over xmas.
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Sunflower
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Dec 22 2012, 11:16pm
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It is a sad staple of the film industry, and even of the Academy--if someone flies too high, people delight in taking thm down. Esp ever since Micheal Cimino gave them an incentive with his auter theatrics in 1980. The fact is, today's film-makers, like today's pop stars, are expected to perform impossible odds: they don't get a "sophomore slump"--if their debut album sells a million copies on its first week, then any subsequent project they do has to sell that much--they have to keep the blockbusters coming, or after a while they're tossed out on the sidewalk, and the next Instagram pop star is waiting in the wings. And the criteria for what makes one a star in the eyes of the suits is more ephemral than ever. In the film industry, b/c of what indie studios survive, and film festivals, etc, there is still room for new and exciting things to emerge, such as the film-making team behind Beasts of the Southern Wild; (which if you haven't seen, don't walk, RUN, to the nearest store and buy this if it's out, and rent it if it's not. If it's out there on the shelf yet--the most amazing film to come along in many yrs.) But more often than not, what they're looking for is the next Micheal Bay. They're looking for what is safe and predictable.
Ask yourself: If Mr South Korean global hip-hop sensation had had to merely release "Gangham Style" on the radio, and not as a YouTube MTV video, would he be around now? Personally, I think that without the fun, kewl, images and the dance, so novel in the world's eyes (I thought South Aisans were repressed! Wow he's doing *pelvis thrusts!!*) we'd have a lot more sober view of him. I think, based on one video, he's average. He aint' no Slim Shady. He ain't even Susan Boyle yet, who, surprise, surprise! turned out to be someone with genuine talent, not just a one-trick pony.
That's what it is now: Psy vs Grandmaster Flash or the Real Slim Shady!
It really is a depressing thing when Micheal Bay's films (Transformers, I'm looking at you) always recieve rave reviews in which it's stressed how much fun they are, and voila! each one make $400 mil domestic. But then, Micheal Bay is like Britney Spears or Lady Gaga.(and yes, Ms Gaga is a great performer and decent songwriter, but she ain't no Madonna-I remember Madonna, and everyones STILL trying to be her.) They don't push the envelope. They just breeze along, making their bubblegum pop and films based on toys, following the current trends, and the crtics reward them for keeping Hollywood's coffers consistently full. And best of all, they're not threatening anyone's Oscar.(like Peter was--you can bet there were a LOT of jelous people in the AcademyHollywood in 2004.) But neither do they pretend to have any pretenses. And in this enviroment, for all his no doubt sincerity, in some ways Peter was setting himself up for this.
Now before all of you start throwing knives at me Bill The Butcher-style, let me make it clear that while my own personal 48fps experience was not pleasant, I support in theory what he is trying to do....but I never did believe he was going to be able to attempt this in a critical vacuum. According to the Superstar Rule, you always have to be reaching new heights, so if your subsequent films don't do the same number as the blockbuster that put you on the map, nobody cares about your good intentions; you are due for a fall or at least a major take-down. if Kong and TLB had made a billion dollars, he'd be forgiven for a lot of things. But so many of today's crtics know what hand feeds them, so they've joined the bandwagon lauding the mediocre and warning us agaisnt pushing the envelope.
Getting back to Cameron--he may be an arrogant SOB as a director, and has an ego the size of Mt Everest, but he also knows the game. I'm sure he thought Avatar WAS one of the greatest things since sound, but he never came out and said so. He never claimed Pandora was going to be the greatest thing since a singing Al Jolson. The most radical thing I remember him saying was that kids all over the word will come out of the movie wanting to learn to speak Na'vi. And I'm sorry, but for all its less than brilliant script, the guy knows how to tap into some universal cultural memes and tell a crackin'good yarn. it isn't necessary, sometimes, to rattle people's brains as it is to merely tap their emotions. And both in Titanic and Avatar, that's what he did.
(Before you all ask: I think AUJ is the superior film; not only for its script, but its brave attempts to non-linearalize (if that's a word) a simple linear childres' tale. But ever since began talking up 48fps the way he did, all summer and into the fall, and esp after I read The Guardian's article from the summer (the one that now reads eerily like AO Scott's New York Times Review, claiming Peter returned to Me b/c he was "creatively exhausted" to put it politely) I kept shaking my head..."No...no....no...no...no. Peter. PETER! This is the WRONG WAY to go about this."
There is an alement of, "do we need this *foreigner* telling us our film industry needs help? Who does he think he is?" element to the critics. I have been puzzled, as he has shown a remarkable lack of tact. he may not be arrogant, but that's how he's coming across.
And yes, with some of his creative choices, (such as repeatedly tuning out Fran and Philippa and cramming his films so full of Lucas-like action sequences)..well, it may be painful now, bit i hope all this criticism is good for him. Film-makers work better when under pressure, and he has forgotten what it's like to be on the downside of the envelope. I loved AUJ, but I hope this encourages Peter not to be more careful (heaven forbid!) but to discover what is like to be CREATIVELY HUNGRY again..not assume everyone will like it b/c it's you and what it is.
I guess we can all take hope from this fact: peter Jackson is clearly seen as a threat by a cozy and self-satisfied media establishment, and often, it's the most controversial film-maers who come to mean the most in light of history. And in a world where video games take such commercial prminesnce, I don't think the fantasy genre has been takn down a notch. Not at all!
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Estel78
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A well written post even if i disagree.
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I think you're reading way too much into this. A conspiracy theory if there ever was one.
And since when are Michael Bay movies receiving rave reviews?
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demanon
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Dec 23 2012, 12:08am
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I'll be seeing it tomorrow for the 3rd time
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frodolives
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Looks like the film is going to drop about 60% from last weekend to somewhere in the low $30's. I don't give it much chance to make $300 million domestic. I think we're looking at $265 or so, with WW of $700-$750 million. Good numbers for most movies, but probably only about 65% of what was anticipated. Doesn't bode well for DOS, even if its a better movie. How depressing.
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