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Tinkerbell
Lorien
Dec 21 2012, 9:53pm
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We await the next vblog and installment of the Hobbit. Now if we can
just settle the one festering concern that keeps many of us awake at night.
That is, the character of Legolas. I really like Legolas. I thought it was a fun
idea to bring him back, yet I am know wondering if this might be the straw that breaks
the camel's back for DoS.
Does anyone know the extent of his involvement in DoS? In a movie sense, I'm petrified.
Hopefully it's not a jack-in-the-box introduction.. taadaaaaahhhh it's good ole legolas! we know him! 
in fact, do you think PJ would have the fortitude to just save the character for the extended version?
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hms_ocean
Rivendell
Dec 21 2012, 9:56pm
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in this he is an up himself nob at the start in this like the rest of the wood elves, lol and not the same good old Legolas, would be interesting. I also fear his involvement, especially what I have heard about him and the spiders.
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Tinkerbell
Lorien
Dec 21 2012, 9:58pm
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ohhhhhh noooooooooo. what have you heard about his involvement with the spiders?
I can see it now, dwarves are in trouble, but legolas and elves come save the day.
this is disastrous already. what's next? lego and tauriel retreat to the bushes under a fool moon
and get it on? actually that idea intrigues me. but it's better for the extended cut for self-indulgent fans!
agree?
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Arannir
Valinor
Dec 21 2012, 9:58pm
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I am pretty sure that Legolas and Tauriel will have two major moments: 1) scenes surrounding the captivity and escape of the dwarves, 2) battle shots during the Bot5A.
If this is not stretched too far and the elves of Mirkwood get more of a "face" besides Thranduil than I think Tauriel (and hot Evangeline) might be a really good addition... And Legolas showing up makes sense anyway.
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hms_ocean
Rivendell
Dec 21 2012, 10:04pm
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I can see it now, dwarves are in trouble, but legolas and elves come save the day.
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that's exactly what I have heard :-( sorry should have put spoilers. WHY CAN"T IT JUST BE ABOUT BILBO!!!!!!!!??????????
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DanielLB
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Dec 21 2012, 10:06pm
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The spiders will capture the Dwarves, and Bilbo will rescue them. The Elves will turn up to kill the spiders and capture the Dwarves. That really isn't much of a change,
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Tinkerbell
Lorien
Dec 21 2012, 10:07pm
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hms ocean, thanks for the information. unforutnately, this scene has the potential
to be as predictable and perhaps cringe-worthy as the rest.
we cannot let this happen.
we must write kindly to the production team to voice our concerns. 
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hms_ocean
Rivendell
Dec 21 2012, 10:07pm
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let's hope so
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Arannir
Valinor
Dec 21 2012, 10:10pm
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The spiders will capture the Dwarves, and Bilbo will rescue them. The Elves will turn up to kill the spiders and capture the Dwarves. That really isn't much of a change,
I also think it will be like that... don't see why it would be made differently as PJ already spent time in AUJ to build up the tensions between the dwarves and the woodland elves (I think the two of them showing up was spoiled through the lego set, right?).
I could see, however, at least Tauriel feeling bad for the dwarves (certainly not Legolas, as he is pretty anti-dwarves in FotR) and maybe even helping Bilbo to set them free.
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Aragalen the Green
Gondor
Dec 21 2012, 10:11pm
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I agree there, and also didn't like how helpless the Hobbits were in LOTR. Frodo squealing and turning green after the attack by the Nazgul? In the book, he bore the wound with remarkable fortitude for 14 days. He also rides Glorfindel's horse BY HIMSELF away from the Nazgul and over the river (no Arwen!). "Very tough in the fibre, I deem".
But I really hope Bilbo fights the spiders by himself--showing the remarkable fortitude of Hobbits despite their seeming softness. It is his bravery, plus the use of the Ring, that leads him to name his sword Sting. AND save the Dwarves. (PS I still hope the spiders talk  ).
" Well well!", said a voice. "Just look! Bilbo the hobbit on a pony, my dear! Isn't it delicious!"
"Most astonishing wonderful!"
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hms_ocean
Rivendell
Dec 21 2012, 10:13pm
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in terms of Legolas helping the dwarves more than he should, I'm not sure how else they are going to show quickly why he is nicer to them when the rest of the woodevles aren't. Hopefully some dialog will clear this up.
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Bombadil
Half-elven
Dec 21 2012, 10:20pm
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..."keeping Many of US Awake. .at night?...
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welcome to TORn.. since you started posting just a week ago
Maybe you should do a search and find out how
this story has been dealt with by
many many people
for years?
Sleep well
it's being
taken care of..
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Aragalen the Green
Gondor
Dec 21 2012, 10:28pm
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I've been posting for a while now more than a week, I think.
And although I have many simmering and eager questions (and dubious answers) myself, I'm not staying awake nights pondering these mysteries.
Simply and joyfully along for the adventure.
" Well well!", said a voice. "Just look! Bilbo the hobbit on a pony, my dear! Isn't it delicious!"
"Most astonishing wonderful!"
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Tinkerbell
Lorien
Dec 21 2012, 11:28pm
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I would need to research more of the specific scenes, but I think that they can introduce Legolas gently.
IMO, because we had the Lord of the Rings movies first on the big screen, we need to approach these additional
characters - galadriel, frodo, legolas, sauruman - as if the audience already knows who they are. These characters
shouldn't be formally introduced. In fact, I would prefer that they don't refer to their names as much. Who they are is not
as important as the roles they fulfill, and their roles are already superfluous as far as the Hobbit's main plot line. That is, I
don't want Legolas to introduce himself. Even: "Legolas, son of Thranduil, prince of the Mirkwood Elves," is too much.
we just need to see his lovely, fair elven face amongst a group of fair looking mirkwood elves. Let's not draw explicit attention to
Legolas. he will stand out, regardless, but in a good, natural way as the audience will recognize him. We will get the context
of his role within elvish society indirectly through maybe a conversation between him and dwarf, where lego merely says he's a prince.
that's all we need to know!!!!!
no need for even thranduil to introduce his son: "This is my son, Legolas.) It's unnecessary, distracting, and will take us out of the story.
It's about 'being' in the movie. don't force things. same goes with galadriel. don't introduce us, it's not important who they are, and it sets up nicely
for when we do find out more about them where they really count - in the Lord of the Rings.
What say you?
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Lalaith7
The Shire
Dec 22 2012, 12:14am
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Legolas can't be too friendly with the dwarves, as his dislike of Gimli in FotR would no longer make sense. I suspect he is there to give more of a sense of depth to the elven court so that it isn't just Thranduil and a bunch of random elves. He may be a means of getting to know Thranduil better - I can see it working well if invisible Bilbo listens in on some of their conversations. I think he will probably also be the one to dislike his father's isolationism and encourage him to help the people of Laketown.
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grammaboodawg
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Dec 22 2012, 5:06am
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His character will fit so well in this storyline and the film. I'm thinking he'll enhance the storyline of ...
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okay... of Thranduil turning away from the dwarves when Smaug attacked. I think Tauriel and he will have issues against what Legolas' father did that will turn the tide of the story.
Whatever happens, though... I'm WAY looking forward to it!! *twitch*
I'm SO HAPPY these new films take me back to that magical world!!
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Ruxendil_Thoorg
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Dec 22 2012, 6:13pm
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I've had this "pet theory" about Tauriel (probably over a year old now)
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"I could see, however, at least Tauriel feeling bad for the dwarves (certainly not Legolas, as he is pretty anti-dwarves in FotR) and maybe even helping Bilbo to set them free."
Rescuing the Dwarves, by himself, is a key achievement of Bilbo's from the book. After seeing AUJ, I am confident that PJ does not intend to mess with that. PJ's Bilbo seems to be on the way to remaining true to the spirit of Bilbo of the book. So, I would predict that neither Tauriel, nor anyone else, will help Bilbo carry out the rescue.
Speaking of which, I've had a "pet theory" that I first posted in around the autumn of 2011: Tauriel and Bilbo end up as friends.* The theory details have evolved in small ways over time but the core of it remains the same. It goes like this:
1. Before rescuing the Dwarves, Bilbo notices that Tauriel is kind to the Dwarves, perhaps getting in trouble for it. He comes to admire her for it. She would represent the "We should treat prisoners humanely, even if they are Dwarves" belief among the Woodelves. (Judging from the AUJ prologue, I would predict that Thranduil will not be keen on that humane approach, at least not at first.)
2. Bilbo rescues the Dwarves, and Tauriel gets in trouble with Elvenking for it. Bilbo did not want Tauriel to get in trouble but it was necessary. He wants to make it up to her. So....
3. ...once he gets the Arkenstone, and plans to deliver it to Elvenking and Bard, he goes directly to Tauriel first and surrenders himself to her custody. She is baffled, then slowly realizes that he is the one who outsmarted her and the other elven guards... then amazed and impressed when she realizes what it is he is doing, the reasons why he is doing it, and also that he is helping her redeem herself in the Elvenking's eyes. By rewarding her with his trust and admiration, Bilbo is reinforcing the "treat Dwarven prisoners humanely" value that he sees among the Mirkwood Elves.
4. She is grateful for this, and by their mutual admiration they end up as friends. She might even return the favor by, possibly, saving him during the Bo5As somehow.
All speculation, but so far I've heard nothing officially announced that would preclude it.
*As i've said in past posts about this, I believe it is important that Tauriel end up as friends with Bilbo, because otherwise she would be a wasted opportunity and a waste of film time. From the info we have been given about Tauriel, she will be (a) in Mirkwood when Bilbo and Co. are there, and (b) will be at least somewhat important, being one of the only female characters in the trilogy, and having a specially chosen name, and having Evangeline Lilly cast in the role. She will be given an at least somewhat sizeable role. She'd better be involved in Bilbo's character arc or else its a distraction IMO.
Finally, P. Boyens has said in an interview that Tauriel will serve a function that would have been in LOTR for an Elf. In LOTR, Bilbo has made friends with Lindir, but perhaps Lindir's role in that regard will be given to Tauriel. Or as Gildor to Frodo. Not sure how that fits into the "pet theory" though.
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totoro
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Dec 22 2012, 6:40pm
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... I did not think Thranduil was a bad fellow in the book. From his perspective, it made sense to get the info he wanted from the dwarves. He treated them humanely, but insisted that they give him the information he wanted. Very entitled in a way you would expect a king to be entitled. Plus, he only kept them in chains for a short time if you consider an elf's lifespan. I was rooting for the dwarves, but I did not hate the elves. If the elven king had treated the dwarves inhumanely or suggested that he would hold them in chains regardless of what they said, I would have thought him a bad guy.
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Ruxendil_Thoorg
Tol Eressea
Dec 22 2012, 7:00pm
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Thanks for replying to my post. I don't believe I said that Thranduil is a bad guy, though.
I agree that Thranduil is not supposed to be a bad guy. He is, however, written as a complex guy. So far in the movie, he is being portrayed that way.
My guess is that he will at least start off as suspicious of the Dwarves, like in the book. I would predict that someone in his court will remind him of the importance of being humane to the captives, and i guess that someone would be Tauriel. I don't think Thranduil will take very kindly to being reminded of that, but nonetheless I think he will have the Dwarves treated humanely. Perhaps later, after their escape, he will blame Tauriel for it?
I'm sure he will prove himself to be ultimately a good guy at heart, as Elves would be. But I think we will see that happen gradually.
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totoro
Lorien
Dec 22 2012, 11:04pm
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I wasn't really countering what you said. More just riffing off your interesting take.
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Eärwen of Mithlond
The Shire
Dec 23 2012, 5:25am
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Why would Legolas be nicer than the rest of the wood-elves? I always assumed that his first appearance would be sitting next to his dad at the feast and then hauling dwarves off to the palace. Maybe I assumed too much but this just seems kind of obvious to me?
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Eärwen of Mithlond
The Shire
Dec 23 2012, 5:30am
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Role "that would have been in LOTR for an Elf"
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Um, I hate to say this, but I have been guessing that this will be falling in love with Bard the Bowman. I.e., Bard and Tauriel will be Hobbit's Aragorn and Arwen.
Please don't yell at me for being cynical. : P
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