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jimmyfenn
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Dec 14 2012, 10:37pm
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because its actually an amazing film. and critics spend too much time finding things to say about films
"You Tolkien to me?!" - Hobbit de Niro
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Artemis Roach
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Dec 14 2012, 10:47pm
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I don't know if anyone else has noticed...
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I stopped paying attention to the film critics reviews when the movie opened, and have instead been watching the Twitter feed. Viewers are coming out of this screenings and LOVING it. Not, umm, it was so-so, but nowhere near as good as LOTR. On the contrary, the praise is effusive, with many tweeters exclaiming they prefer Hobbit to LOTR. What is also noticeable is how many people raving can't wait to see it again. Certainly there are many traditionalists who despise the 48 HFR, but there seem to be a lot who are just as wildly believing it to be amazing. I cannot believe all of these fans who adore the film are headcases or WB shills. The film will make it's money back - regardless what the critics think.
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Misty Mountain Hop
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Dec 14 2012, 11:00pm
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I kept searching twitter by #thehobbit and over 90% of them were saying how amazing the film was, and how the effects, acting, music, etc were phenomenal. People definitely want to see it again and again, and they can't wait for the next film. It just goes to show that critics see everything differently and sometimes they can't simply sit back and enjoy a movie.
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Cave Troll
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Dec 14 2012, 11:14pm
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that's kinda their job. 
critics spend too much time finding things to say about films
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kbdiggity
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Dec 14 2012, 11:28pm
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The critics were just wrong...
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Maybe the 48 FPS was really the difference maker for many of them. I don't know, I didn't see it in that format.
But the critics who claimed the story was too long, too bloated, not up to the level of previous LoTR films, etc... Well those critics must have smoked some bad Toby. That was a fantastic movie. It absolutely flew by. Plenty of people in my theater were shocked to see it end because it didn't feel anything close to the 2:45 we were told.
Just an amazing job by Peter Jackson. I would argue this might have been his best foray into Middle Earth yet.
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Steven Van der Berg
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Dec 15 2012, 2:01am
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Also from BOM, some early oversees returns.
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..from just a few markets, but opening wider this weekend. :)
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=hobbit.htm
$27,300,000 thus far. It will probably do OK. :)
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Estel78
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Dec 15 2012, 2:41am
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It's likely gonna end up doing FOTR numbers. Considering what LOTR has become as a film franchise, 9 years of inflation, 3D ticket prices and expanding foreign markets, it's a huge disappointment.
I would have never thought that this would not reach a billion dollars. It very well might not.
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Artemis Roach
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Dec 15 2012, 3:36am
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It's likely gonna end up doing FOTR numbers. Considering what LOTR has become as a film franchise, 9 years of inflation, 3D ticket prices and expanding foreign markets, it's a huge disappointment..
You don't even know the numbers, but it's pretty obvious you hope to be proved right.
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Estel78
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Dec 15 2012, 3:43am
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I'm frequenting box office sites.
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I know some preliminary numbers and projections. It's doing less than ROTK in many (important) markets.
Dunno why some always need to be so defensive.
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Artemis Roach
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Dec 15 2012, 4:36am
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Dunno why anybody is so cynical...
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...and eager and gleeful and rubbing schadenfreude about a so-called "failure" that will, at worst, make back a handsome profit. (In the move world, in the business world - that is to say, in the Real World, a handsome profit is called a "Success.")
Besides, I like a story. That's why I'm probably hanging around The One Ring more than Fortune 500. I don't really prioritize or particularly care about "the numbers," unless those numbers should point to a shock loss. News flash: They aren't.
What I do know is that word of mouth is positive.
What I don't know is what the repeat buys will be. I don't know the reactions of people hedging their bets because of bad publicity, who will hear buzz from others, and go possibly a week later than planned.
This movie will make back a fortune, regardless whether it hits a billion dollars. Let's say all three movies only make half-billion dollars *combined* - that "disaster" would still deliver financial profits on the investment.
And really, why do you care so much? Are you a shareholder? Are you trying to short sell? Are you trying to get others to panic and drop their Warner Brothers stock portfolio so that you can swoop in and buy shares at rock bottom prices?? It's laughably pathetic.
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Mahtion
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Dec 15 2012, 4:46am
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I agree the nasayers and nitpickers are rather annoying in their incessant desire to compare and validate. The Hobbit is not the same as LOTR and critics so shortsighted and utterly ignorant of story context and mood have no business or authority proclaiming the fate of a soon to be much beloved series.
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Artemis Roach
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Dec 15 2012, 5:10am
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Someone tried telling us:
"It's a huge disappointment."
Then doubled-down:
"I'm frequenting box office sites. ... I know some preliminary numbers and projections. It's doing less than ROTK in many (important) markets."
Nikki Finke is a Hollywood insider. She has no love for Hobbit or Peter Jackson, so let's call her a neutral.
FRIDAY 1 PM UPDATE: Sources are telling me that, based on current matinee trends, the opening domestic weekend for 3D The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey from MGM/New Line/Warner Bros is looking bigger than The Lord Of The Rings trilogy and is certain to set a new December all-time record. Today’s take could be $38M-$40M with the weekend $115+M. That includes $13M from 3,100 midnight shows, including $1.6M on IMAX screens. Peter Jackson‘s film adaptation of the 1937 JRR Tolkien novel already is the #1 movie abroad and has taken in $27.3M from 42 international markets. My insiders believe it’s very possible for the movie to end this weekend with approximately $200M worldwide. Yowza! In the U.S. and Canada, MovieTickets said box office advance tickets for the pic accounted for nearly 91% of sales going into Friday.
http://www.deadline.com/...-sets-december-mark/
Somewhere in cuckooland, the United States and Canada are not considered "(important) markets."
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Elessar
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Dec 15 2012, 5:41am
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I'll take $115 million opening weekend.
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Estel78
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Dec 15 2012, 1:26pm
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I'm not cynical, i'm disappointed.
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Is it forbidden to be disappointed?
And this thread is about box office, at least the OP was, so i'll talk about box office. If you don't care, then don't post.
As for Nikki, she is bad when it comes to projecting weekends. With a 38-40m Friday (13m coming from midnight showings) it's not gonna make $115m+ for the weekend. More like $90m.
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Artemis Roach
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Dec 15 2012, 1:59pm
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Is it forbidden to be disappointed?
You are tripling down. You said it was a HUGE disappointment, citing the box-office numbers, which are IN REALITY breaking records, which is IN REALITY the very OPPOSITE of a disappointment.. You are in here like a gloom merchant trying to infect everybody else, so please stop the nose-stretchers.
And this thread is about box office, at least the OP was, so i'll talk about box office. If you don't care, then don't post.
I care enough to call you on your codswallop. You are inventing fantasy fiction and trying to sell it to the rest of us as fact. It's not. It's either a dreadful mistake that you fail to admit, or it's a lie.
As for Nikki, she is bad when it comes to projecting weekends. With a 38-40m Friday (13m coming from midnight showings) it's not gonna make $115m+ for the weekend. More like $90m.
Oh, I get it - you're more of an insider and have better Palantir that you can look into and see the future better than her.
And again - are you a shareholder? Are you losing stock dividends on your stock portfolio? Or is PJ only giving you a 3:1 return, and you demanded nothing less than 10:1??
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Estel78
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Dec 15 2012, 3:03pm
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you don't know what you are talking about. I have been following box office for a decade, it's my hobby. Yes, i (and fellow posters on a certain box office forum) am better than Nikki in projecting weekends. Go on, have a laugh now, tomorrow i'll come back to you with official studio estimates, hopefully you'll believe them. Hobbit is underperforming pretty much across the globe relative to expectations. Who knows, maybe it'll have great legs and surprise me that way but opening wise, it's a big disappointment (again, tomorrow we'll have official numbers) and right now i wouldn't be at all surprised if it misses $1b worldwide.
About the December record, yes, Hobbit will likely beat it, but only by a little. And contrary to what you might believe, that is not great in this day and age for a movie that's in 3D / IMAX and a prequel to LOTR. No hugely anticipated sequel / prequel based on a very popular brand has ever been released in December besides LOTR and those ones opened on wednesdays a decade ago, so barely beating the December record is not a big accomplishment. Just to illustrate, had ROTK been release today in 3D / IMAX on Friday and had it sold about the same amount of tickets as back then, it would have opened to about $150m.
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Artemis Roach
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Dec 15 2012, 8:01pm
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Tracking box office receipts as a "hobby" ... priceless. And utterly pathetic!
Again, for the 3rd time... are you a shareholder? Why are you so concerned about Warner Brothers only tripling their profit? Is your stock portfolio being hit by this "huge disappointment"?
It's a simple Yes or No question. Your evasions speak volumes.
Repeating: Setting a new record is not a disappointment, unless you are a greedy shareholder who only cares about money.
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Artemis Roach
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Dec 15 2012, 8:07pm
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I have been following box office for a decade, it's my hobby. ... Hobbit is underperforming pretty much across the globe relative to expectations.
YOU are the one who cited Box Office Mojo;
YOU are the self-proclaimed Box Office Expert (as above);
YOU were the one who called The Hobbit B.O. a "huge disappointment."
Now - let's get back to Planet Earth. Box Office Mojo - your reference - this morning:
The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey drew large crowds on Friday and set a new December opening day record with an estimated 37.5 million from 4,045 locations. The previous December record-holder was The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King, which debuted to $34.5 million on a Wednesday in 2003. http://www.boxofficemojo.com/.../?id=3586&p=.htm
YOU are totally full of rubbish, and not to be believed. Once again, more evidence to double-check everything that comes out of the pie-hole of self-proclaimed experts.
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Artemis Roach
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Dec 15 2012, 8:26pm
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What Box Office Mojo says:
While critics were lukewarm on The Hobbit (65 percent on Rotten Tomatoes), audiences awarded it a strong "A" CinemaScore. This suggests that The Hobbit is in for a long, very healthy run at the box office through the remainder of the Holiday season.
Most of y'all are too unsophisticated to unpack that industry gobbledygook, so here's a translation from a Box Office Expert:
"(Box office) is a huge disappointment."
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Estel78
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Dec 15 2012, 10:19pm
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Are you a funny one...
No, i'm just a fan, hence my posting here years before you ever showed up. Believe it or not, there are people interested in box office beyond shareholders. There are whole forums dedicated to box office.
Sorry for having a lecturing tone but a douche like yourself don't deserve any better. I already tried to explain to you why barely breaking the December record is not that much of an accomplishment, it was expected to break it. Read my post again, slowly, to get it through your thick skull.
It's behaving more like FOTR. Is grossing around $900m (+ / - $100m) worldwide a cause for concern for Warner Brothers? No, they'll make plenty of profit with the 3 movies. Can $900m still be a disappointment? Yes, relative to expectations. I expected more and i'm not alone. Deal with it and don't act all defensive.
Let me ask you a question for a change: what is your prediction for the Hobbit (domestic opening weekend / total / worldwide total)?
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Estel78
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Dec 16 2012, 12:30am
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A little patronizing, don't you think?
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I'm aware the world won't end, unless the Mayans were correct. I know it's just a movie.
I'm not basing this on nothing. Numbers are in from numerous countries, the rest is extrapolation based on years of experience. Of course box office is never an exact science, legs might be better or worse than expected, but right now a FOTR like total would be my guess, maybe slightly more. If you're happy with this or you don't care at all, that's fine and dandy, but please let me be disappointed. Thank you very much.
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Estel78
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Dec 16 2012, 1:07pm
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Losing half of your audience is disappointing.
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I thought more people would want to come back to Middle Earth.
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