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Lacrimae Rerum
Hithlum
Dec 6 2012, 10:02pm
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Not necessarily anything in particular.
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Might just be there to indicate a very long time. The overall timelines aren't a feature beyond what is referenced.
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Simon
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Dec 6 2012, 10:10pm
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How can people say it look like a cheap soap opera with a beautiful cinematography like that! Maybe it feel weird from a perspective of movement...but look cheap...hmmmm...i have serious doubts!
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Macsen
Menegroth
Dec 6 2012, 10:24pm
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... though the panning shots around a CGI room were a bit new Star Wars trilogy for me.
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Beeromir
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Dec 6 2012, 10:26pm
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I know that it's probably the correct pronunciation, but...
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i just hate to hear it pronounced Smow-g. It sounds so much better as Smaw-g, and as someone who has the au- dipthong in his name pronounced "aw," the "ow" grates.
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Aragorn the Elfstone
Dor-Lomin
Dec 6 2012, 10:27pm
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...so the scene would look different in 48fps.
"All men dream; but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds awake to find that it was vanity; But the dreamers of day are dangerous men. That they may act their dreams with open eyes to make it possible."
- T.E. Lawrence
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Thoromir
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Dec 6 2012, 10:31pm
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Hm, I found them a bit distracting.
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I guess those shots are in, because otherwise it would be a more dragging scene for most people.
I found it a bit distracting; switching to a wide shot when Christopher Lee is speaking...pfff 
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Simon
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Dec 6 2012, 10:32pm
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But how much the 48 fps can have a major impact on the cinematography...the color grading and the tone of the image? Maybe it will have...but i really hope that the fairytal-ish tone and colors will stay!
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Macsen
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Dec 6 2012, 10:42pm
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... it's easier on him just to provide a voice. He is 90 after all...
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Aragorn the Elfstone
Dor-Lomin
Dec 6 2012, 10:43pm
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The colors and stuff won't change. What will be different is the motion. The picture will appear to move faster and more fluid.
"All men dream; but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds awake to find that it was vanity; But the dreamers of day are dangerous men. That they may act their dreams with open eyes to make it possible."
- T.E. Lawrence
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Simon
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Dec 6 2012, 10:48pm
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I'm sure it will look a little weird on the beginning but i will adjust and like it! :) ...i will see it in Imax 3D 48 fps on the 13th! Can't wait!
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painjoiker
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Dec 6 2012, 11:00pm
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I think we will see him speak more,
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This is just a small bit of a longer scene. There will be more of Saruman speaking 
Vocalist in the semi-progressive metal band Arctic Eclipse
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Tim
Dor-Lomin
Dec 7 2012, 2:31am
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Watched this a couple times and it struck me about Elrond
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His hair looks better. It doesn't look a tad bit ridiculous like it did in some bits of LOTR.
And Galadriel! Such majesty and poise! Watching her walk around makes me finally fall in love with her just like poor old Gimli.
Arthur: What manner of man are you that can summon up fire without flint or tinder?
Tim: I... am an enchanter.
Arthur: By what name are you known?
Tim: There are some who call me... 'Tim'...?
Arthur: ...greetings, Tim the Enchanter.
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nobofthepony
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Dec 7 2012, 2:37am
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Every clip I see makes me scratch my head about the mixed reviews...
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I think it is the perfect storm between annoyance at the high frame rate and the predictable reaction that anything not in the 300 page book is "padding" that Jackson made up to make $$$. Every clip I've seen so far has me fired up, critics be damned.
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totoro
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Dec 7 2012, 3:35am
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If this is what is causing reviewers to complain about bloat, I would happily indulge myself until I am bloated beyond all recognition.
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jtarkey
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Dec 7 2012, 3:51am
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Every clip, trailer, and t.v. spot has gotten me more and more excited. I keep seeing all these amazing scenes (Fili and Kili entering Bag End, Gandalfs wise words to Bilbo while presenting Sting). I can't imagine not liking the finished product.
"You're love of the halflings leaf has clearly slowed your mind"
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Joe20
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Dec 7 2012, 3:57am
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I really think it is the 48fps that has tainted the reviews and perhaps caused them to perceive the movie as a whole as being a bit lucklaster
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AinurOlorin
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Dec 7 2012, 4:43am
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Magnificent scene! God, I hope it stays!
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Sick of shares suddenly going defunct! This is a great clip.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvwX_ng28Q8
"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"
"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."
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Intergalactic Lawman
Nargothrond
Dec 7 2012, 4:48am
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I loved this clip! Everything I've seen I have really liked -so why are there such negative reviews I wonder? Maybe it's how it all comes together...
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jtarkey
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Dec 7 2012, 6:23am
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Clips can look great on their own, but it's still very possible that the story isn't all that engaging. That's the main vibe I get from the reviews thus far.
"You're love of the halflings leaf has clearly slowed your mind"
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wendy woo
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Dec 7 2012, 6:30am
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I think you're on to something
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My fantasy-hating husband refuses to go the theatre with us to see this movie even though it's something we can do with our kids and family at Xmas time because "I'm not wanting to go to a movie with a bunch of groupies" (my siblings and I are fans). His attitude is ridiculous, mind you, because no one in the family is so dedicated that we would EVER go to the theatre in costume and with props like it was a showing of The Rocky Horror Picture Show (I wouldn't go to see that one at all, btw). More than anything else, I think he just feels like an odd-man-out with us because we like it and he doesn't see the charm. Unless a story is based on something with a more ordinary every day feel to it, he's bored. But, in my opinion, just because one does not care for fantasy it does not follow that the fantasy lover is a nut or a zealot!
And on that same note, it bugged me that when it was announced that Peter Jackson was returning to Middle Earth, many people said or had an attitude of "Not again" as if PJ had made nothing else in the last ten years. It's funny that some of the same people who make these statements are the same people who admire the works of other directors even though they make the same kind of stuff over and over. Tyler Perry, James Cameron, and Martin Scorsese come to mind for doing that. Scorsese, for instance, has been making the same kind of gritty, urban film for thirty years and people think he's great (I think his gangster stuff is crap, btw. His characters are vile, violent, and what's worse, booorrring. The Departed and Casino were especially bad). I never am interested in any of his gangster characters and I don't have a predjudice against the genre because I believe Coppola's The Godfather is one of the best films ever made. I know Scorsese's made The Aviator and Hugo, but I think he's better when he stays out of American cities. But I know, if he were to suddenly announce that he decided to make another grim trip to Jersey or the Lower East Side, NO ONE would say "What?? Again???" like they do with Jackson. In my opinion, there's a common snobbery that people who are not fans seem to share.
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Aragorn the Elfstone
Dor-Lomin
Dec 7 2012, 6:52am
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...many of these same critics were ones who said that the ending of Return of the King went on too long and should have been cut out.
I've heard nothing but glowing reviews from fans, and that's all I care about at this stage. (Now that I think about it, that's all I cared about back when FotR came out too - I don't think I even read any "professional" reviews, except maybe for Roger Ebert. I just read fan reviews. Seems to me that my 17 year old self had the right idea! )
"All men dream; but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds awake to find that it was vanity; But the dreamers of day are dangerous men. That they may act their dreams with open eyes to make it possible."
- T.E. Lawrence
(This post was edited by Aragorn the Elfstone on Dec 7 2012, 6:53am)
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MouthofSauron
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Dec 7 2012, 7:26am
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wow, Christopher Lee does look like he was actually there!!
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-but he was superimposed, amazing scene!
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Silverlode
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Dec 7 2012, 8:46am
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There are a lot of audience members who are not dedicated Tolkien fans, as well as a few who are. Think of the critics, and especially the RT rating as representative of the probable reception from the mass audience - if 70% of the people you know who see the film like it, don't you think that's pretty good? Only a few of them are likely to already be Tolkien fans, and they will understand and really get the story, and a few more may become fans as a result of the movie, but the majority of the audience just want to have a fun time. They may like it but it won't be their favorite film ever, or they won't understand it all, or they may have mixed feelings with some things they liked and some things they didn't. And you may even know some people who will see and not like it. We have different critics who fit in all of those categories.
Take the critics (and the RT score) not as authorities, but as representatives of the total audience who will be watching the film, with all the different points of view that includes. The critics are a spectrum, just like the general audience is a spectrum of different points of view and likes and dislikes. If 70% of them like the film, then chances are pretty good that 70% of filmgoers will also like it. It isn't everyone, but it's still a lot of people. And the reviewers who demonstrate the greatest knowledge of the book are giving the most positive reviews. The Hobbit, both book and movie, is not to everyone's taste and that is represented in the reviews. But those who love the book seem to be also loving the movie. For those of us who love the book too, that's a good sign. 
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