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Ecthelions Beard
Lindon
Dec 6 2012, 8:37pm
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New Clip HD!!!! The White Council (incredible acting)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvwX_ng28Q8
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redgiraffe
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Dec 6 2012, 8:39pm
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where did you get this from?
-Sir are you classified as human
-Negative, I am a meat-popsicle
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Aragorn the Elfstone
Dor-Lomin
Dec 6 2012, 8:39pm
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I have NO self control left...
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Watching clips left and right, behind the scenes specials - somebody seriously needs to take my computer away from me! 
Looks great! The wait is becoming more and more unbearable. 
"All men dream; but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds awake to find that it was vanity; But the dreamers of day are dangerous men. That they may act their dreams with open eyes to make it possible."
- T.E. Lawrence
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dave_lf
Mithlond
Dec 6 2012, 8:40pm
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Someone cut off a head or something before I die of boredom!
Kidding; of course. I hear this is a long scene and if the rest is similar to this clip, I'll love every minute.
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Aragorn the Elfstone
Dor-Lomin
Dec 6 2012, 8:42pm
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If this is the type of stuff the critics didn't like, I don't think we fans don't have a thing to worry about. 
"All men dream; but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds awake to find that it was vanity; But the dreamers of day are dangerous men. That they may act their dreams with open eyes to make it possible."
- T.E. Lawrence
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redgiraffe
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Dec 6 2012, 8:43pm
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I was just about to comment on the fact that critics have chalked this up to exposition and said there is too much exposition in the film. Well If all the exposition involves this kind of acting then I'm all for it!
-Sir are you classified as human
-Negative, I am a meat-popsicle
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Tim
Dor-Lomin
Dec 6 2012, 8:45pm
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The more I disagree with negative reviews. Though to be fair none I've read have knocked the acting. But this wasn't boring to this diehard fan, it was thrilling.
Actually, having just watched that other 13 minute preview in 1080p this looks a little blurry in 720. I'm getting spoiled.
Arthur: What manner of man are you that can summon up fire without flint or tinder?
Tim: I... am an enchanter.
Arthur: By what name are you known?
Tim: There are some who call me... 'Tim'...?
Arthur: ...greetings, Tim the Enchanter.
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dubulous
Nargothrond
Dec 6 2012, 8:46pm
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I had to watch. I can't help myself!
But the White Council looks just as amazing as I've been hoping it to be.
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rune
Lindon
Dec 6 2012, 8:46pm
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The acting is good....
I like the way it's is stages that Gandalf is looked upon by the others amd dismissed with "What are you worrying about?"
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Elutherian
Nargothrond
Dec 6 2012, 8:49pm
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Why must they do this so close to the release.... WHY!!!!??
The Grey Pilgrim, they once called me. Three hundred lives of men I walked this earth, and now I have no time...
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thoon
Nevrast
Dec 6 2012, 8:50pm
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I'm getting a weird vibe from this "exposition"
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It's almost like they're trying to set up subsequent films. Dare I say, two trilogies? Preposterous of course! Clearly it's just padding. 
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Eruonen
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Dec 6 2012, 8:51pm
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Agree, some of the critics don't understand the story and
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don't relish in every scene the way we do. It also comes down to the the "like fantasy" or "detest fantasy" crowds.
Some people just cannot stand anything that is not reality based and will not allow imagination or wonder to enter their minds. If it isn't gritty, emotionally wrenching, tear jerking, moral vagueness...no good or evil etc, true or realistic modern tales it isn't worthy.
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Seaber
Ossiriand
Dec 6 2012, 8:57pm
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"We have been at peace for four hundred years"?
What happened four hundred years ago?
Love the clip!
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redgiraffe
Nargothrond
Dec 6 2012, 9:00pm
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I don't think they put it in full HD because I was watching the 13 minutes preview in 720p and it looked much sharper.
-Sir are you classified as human
-Negative, I am a meat-popsicle
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Eruonen
Gondolin
Dec 6 2012, 9:04pm
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I know there are reasons for wanting a small group interacting,
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but I would love to have seen a few more potential
members present - Cirdan, Glorfindel, Erestor, Celeborn etc. even if in the background. However, I understand the
reasons for wanting an intimate setting vs the council of Elrond type of shoot on FOTR.
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belfalas
Nevrast
Dec 6 2012, 9:07pm
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Compromise: I watched it without the sound
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I'm drooling at the prospect of seeing this flick
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Lieutenant of Dol Guldur
Mithlond
Dec 6 2012, 9:08pm
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the war with Angmar?
"There is only one Lord of the Ring, only one who can bend it to his will. And he does not share power."
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BornOutOfTheWest
Ossiriand
Dec 6 2012, 9:18pm
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I've been looking forward to this scene since i heard the white council was announced to be in it! You can clearly see Galadriel siding with Gandalf while Saruman/Elrond are more cautious. It's interesting hearing from the Chirstopher Lee interview how 'Saruman is good and noble in these movies', and yet perhaps we can see his slight mistrust/annoyance with gandalf - 'Always must you Meddle!'. Jealous of 'Narya' perhaps? ;)
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Macfeast
Nargothrond
Dec 6 2012, 9:19pm
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The Angmar-war did take place earlier than that (1000 years earlier, rather than 400), but a change in timeline wouldn't be something new at this stage. Based on our knowledge of the Nazgûl-tombs, I'd say it'd make a good deal of sense having it be a reference to the Angmar-war, because it'd connect the war with the Nazgûl-tombs (which presumably would be made directly after said war), and neatly explain the peace; They bested and entombed the Nazgûl, and Sauron was thought bested since earlier, so of course there'll be peace.
Excellent clip. If this is the quality we can expect from the dialogue- and exposition-scenes, then I am in no rush to see the action-scenes.
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sycorax82
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Dec 6 2012, 9:24pm
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I can see where the 'critics' are coming from; this really is for us fans!
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This White Council scene WILL stop proceedings stone dead for many casual viewers. For this reason, it may have ended up being an EE-only scene if PJ had stuck with 2 movies.
90% of the people who see AUJ will just be waiting for them to get on with the action or for the hot guy to come back onscreen, the comedy characters etc.
Of course, the rest of us are gonna lap this up! I really like how the other three are 'above' Gandalf.
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Welsh hero
Mithlond
Dec 6 2012, 9:36pm
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For 400 years we have had peace
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what war are they talking about?
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Ossiriand
Dec 6 2012, 9:48pm
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One especially impressive thing about this clip...
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Is how well does the writing capture the music and cadence of Tolkien's dialogue, even though it's fanfiction.
If all of Peter's, Fran's and Philippa's additions to the basic story are of the same quality then we have an excellent movie on our hands (a masterpiece even)!
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Tim
Dor-Lomin
Dec 6 2012, 9:58pm
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Encyclopedia of Arda has a time frame tool, this is what I got from it:
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According to the Encylopedia of Arda, these are the events that happen roughly 400 years or so before that meeting of the White Council in 2941 Third Age. I'm not sure what would qualify here if anything as the trouble Elrond is alluding to.
Edit: Perhaps Rohan coming to the aid of Gondor? Elrond's wife leaves around this time frame.
The Third Age
2501 Léod is thrown by the horse Felaróf and dies. Eorl the Young becomes Lord of the Éothéod.
2509 Steward Cirion sends messengers into the north to seek aid from the Éothéod against Gondor's enemies.
Celebrían is captured by Orcs, and receives a poisoned wound.
2510 The Rohirrim ride to the aid of Gondor and are victorious in the Battle of the Field of Celebrant. They are given the land of Calenardhon (Rohan) to dwell in, and Eorl the Young becomes its first King.
Departure of Elrond's spouse Celebrían into the West.
2515 Likely date of birth of Húrin son of Hallas, who later ruled Gondor as Steward Húrin II.
2523 Death of Arahad I. He is succeeded as Chieftain of the Dúnedain by his son Aragost.
2542 Birth of Thrór, later King under the Mountain.
2545 Eorl of Rohan is slain in battle. He is succeed as King by his son Brego.
Likely date of the birth of Belecthor son of Húrin II, later Ruling Steward Belecthor I of Gondor.
2563 Probable date of the birth of Arahad son of Aravorn, later Chieftain Arahad II of the Dúnedain.
2567 Death of Steward Cirion. He is succeeded by his son Hallas.
2569 Meduseld, the Golden Hall of Edoras, is completed by King Brego. At the feast of celebration, Brego's son Baldor vows to enter the Paths of the Dead. He sets out for the Dwimorberg and is lost.
2570 Death of King Brego of Rohan, from grief at the loss of his son Baldor in the Paths of the Dead. He is succeeded by Baldor's brother Aldor.
2576 Likely date of the birth of Orodreth son of Belecthor I, later Ruling Steward of Gondor.
2585 Death of King Náin II of Durin's Folk. He is succeeded by his son, Dáin.
2588 Death of Chieftain Aragost of the Dúnedain. He is succeeded by his son, Aravorn.
2589 Dáin I and his son Frór are slain by a Cold-drake. Dáin is succeeded by his son Thrór.
2590 Grór, the younger brother of King Thrór of Durin's Folk, leads many Dwarves to settle in the Iron Hills east of Erebor.
The Dwarves of Durin's Folk return to Erebor.
2594 Birth of Fréawine, later King of Rohan.
http://www.glyphweb.com/...ar=2600&endage=3
Arthur: What manner of man are you that can summon up fire without flint or tinder?
Tim: I... am an enchanter.
Arthur: By what name are you known?
Tim: There are some who call me... 'Tim'...?
Arthur: ...greetings, Tim the Enchanter.
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