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Altaira
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Dec 4 2012, 7:10pm
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One Review Thread to Rule them All (continued, with link to previous thread) ---> please post reviews, links, and related comments in this thread
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This is to continue BiggieSmaug's thread regarding discussion reviews.
The original thread can be found here.
Koru: Maori symbol representing a fern frond as it opens. The koru reaches towards the light, striving for perfection, encouraging new, positive beginnings.
"Life can't be all work and no TORn" -- jflower
"I take a moment to fervently hope that the camaradarie and just plain old fun I found at TORn will never end" -- LOTR_nutcase
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Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
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Dec 4 2012, 7:44pm
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Is this the longest thread ever?
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-my resume of the day: confusion
-scenario in my mind: regualr reviews vs what I see from this movie is awesome
-conclusion: the reviews are based on 48fps experience, if it has been on normal format things would be different, almost for shure
-Additional note: Hobbit book is not Lotr book = Hobbit movie is not LOTR movie
-Conclusion: not compare
-Final statement: the hell of a enjoyable time Iīm gonna get at cinema (for several times)
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anthonyroy
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Dec 4 2012, 7:45pm
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Rotten Tomatoes up to 78% from 71%, a few more positive reviews added. 14-4.
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Oscarilbo
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Dec 4 2012, 7:48pm
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When time comes, and many of those negative reviewers see the movies in chronological order and reach the scene in FOTR when Frodo states to Bilbo "...but my own adventure turned out to be quite different" they will be like: "oh I see, so thatīs why"
"The World is Changed, I feel it in the water. I feel it in the earth. I smell it in the air"
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blakeyamc
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Dec 4 2012, 7:54pm
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This reviewer saw it twice and had a better time, the 2nd time he saw it at 48FPS.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/...1204,0,4811548.story
"SECOND THOUGHTS: At the time this story was originally published on Monday night, I was seeing "The Hobbit" for the second time, again at 48fps. And I have to admit that not only did the movie strike me as better - faster and more entertaining, though still padded and at times silly - but the format wasn't as bothersome.
I still think the high frame rate takes you out of the movie at times, particularly in scenes that feature well-lit actors prominently in the frame. But about half the time, the format came closer to justifying Jackson's experiment than it had seemed on first viewing.
So maybe I'm just one of those viewers who needs more time to adjust."
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QuickTidal
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Dec 4 2012, 8:01pm
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I saw that earlier and it makes perfect sense. The film at 48FPS will require multiple views to adjust to, but my guess is that by the time we roll around to THERE AND BACK AGAIN, the 48FPS will be old news and no one will be talking about it anymore.
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Zherkezhi
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Dec 4 2012, 8:01pm
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I think it'll change quite often
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Less than 20 reviews have been taken into account. The rating of FOTR, TTT and ROTK are calculated on a basis of about 200 reviews.
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utku
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Dec 4 2012, 8:02pm
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If it falls around 80 I'll be happy for the team. 
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Vangalad
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Dec 4 2012, 8:05pm
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I don't like the feeling of disappointment that has taken over a lot of us, the reviews are overall fair - yes, all of us would want them to be as great as the Lotr ones but first of all this is The Hobbit and secondly it's too early,reviews have just started popping up,let's give it some time- don't let the critics influence your own enthusiasm. These movies are for us, if we do not enjoy them, no one will.
I scratched the surface of some reviews below...
Yahoo : http://movies.yahoo.com/...iddle-050025086.html
ign : http://uk.ign.com/...ected-journey-review
Indiewire : http://blogs.indiewire.com/...enture-epic-20121204
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redgiraffe
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Dec 4 2012, 8:08pm
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This reviewer saw it twice and had a better time, the 2nd time he saw it at 48FPS.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/...1204,0,4811548.story
"SECOND THOUGHTS: At the time this story was originally published on Monday night, I was seeing "The Hobbit" for the second time, again at 48fps. And I have to admit that not only did the movie strike me as better - faster and more entertaining, though still padded and at times silly - but the format wasn't as bothersome.
I still think the high frame rate takes you out of the movie at times, particularly in scenes that feature well-lit actors prominently in the frame. But about half the time, the format came closer to justifying Jackson's experiment than it had seemed on first viewing.
So maybe I'm just one of those viewers who needs more time to adjust."
ANYBODY else thinks it's totally unfair this guy has seen it twice and we haven't?!
Also, I honestly understand that process of having to view a movie twice to make a good assessment. This usually happens with movies that I'm highly anticipating.
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Balrogslunch
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Dec 4 2012, 9:19pm
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just an idea about the brain processing the image...
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I am wondering if its due in part to him concentrating more on the visuals and not on the story so much the second time around.....perhaps its a brain adjustment.....48fps i would imagine takes a lot of brain processing power (as you are seeing more frames) ...more than 24fps (subconciously of course)......
....so the second time he watched it...it trained his brain and (with the aid of knowing the story more) allowed him to enjoy what was happening with all the extra fps.....(i would do a Rimmer (red dwarf) pfffffffffffffff) at that point but i will refrain ;)
I also wonder that this jump your brain doesnt automatically process all these frames so you end up with some visuals seeming quicker as your brain jumps through the frames occassionally......pffffffffffffff
in other words your Brain needs training to process the visuals....so maybe the third time of watching it is the charm!
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Eruonen
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Dec 4 2012, 9:24pm
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Agree, you can tell which reviewers have a clue about the books
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and which are just being paid to write a review. There is a tendency in some reviewers to try and show influence and a bad or modest review satisfies their egos. Sure, any film will have some moments where people agree or disagree but other times it seems like a reviewer is just looking to dislike a film.
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Silverlode
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Dec 4 2012, 9:24pm
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it's all about perspective. You know, just for kicks
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I decided to look up how a bunch of Best Picture Winners did on RT. The majority of recent Oscar winners scored over 90%, but there were a good number that scored significantly lower. Crash 76%, A Beautiful Mind 78%, Gladiator 78%. So far, The Hobbit's RT score is on a par with some Oscar Winners here!
Ok, granted, I don't think it has the slightest chance at Best Picture (I doubt if any of the films will) but we are certainly not sitting on a turkey here. Consider the poor Twilight fans; Breaking Dawn 2 is only at 47%, though it's heading the box office for the week. A movie can be a financial success even if it's not a critical success. And as I said a while ago, the critics are likely to prefer the next two movies, with most of the set-up out of the way and the stakes getting higher.
There is absolutely no reason the fans can't be satisfied with this movie, even if the critics grumble. And most of the things critics are grumbling about sounds to me like stuff I will like. A lot of them found the Unexpected Party slow and boring - I expect that for those of us who like the book, we will enjoy seeing the Party in detail, complete with two dwarf songs and a battle flashback. A lot of fans felt after FOTR that the Shire scenes were some of the best in the film and wished we could have spent more time there. Guess what; sounds like PJ gave us what we wanted. It's just that the critics are unlikely to be major fans of the book, or to appreciate the singing of Tolkien's songs. Now, if PJ had gone and invented a song and dance number, I'd be wailing too. But just for a complete account of the Party, nah, that makes me happy. And once the film leaves the Shire, nearly all the bored critics woke up and thoroughly enjoyed the rest of the movie (despite saying some of the action sequences went on too long.....a lot of people said that about Helm's Deep too). Many of the complaints about pacing sound very similar to the book structure, so in this case, those who want faithfulness to the source should be happy about some of the criticisms.
Another good sign: not a single reviewer has had anything bad to say about Riddles in the Dark. As on of the iconic moments from the book, that is very very good news! Also, there is near universal praise for the performances of Martin Freeman and Richard Armitage, and of course Ian McKellen. Nobody is complaining that anyone's acting is subpar. I am hoping that there will be a similarly awesome setpiece with Bilbo and Smaug in the second film, and something of the kind surrounding Bilbo/Thorin and the Arkenstone in the third.
Overall, this is all pretty similar to what I've been expecting. I was certain the difference in tone between the stories would throw a lot of reviewers who were not familiar with the book - comparisons with LOTR were inevitable, and unlikely to be coming down on the side of the lighter, less weighty story (critics love grit and drama and darkness, you know). And because of that, I did not expect raves and rapture from reviewers. What does pleasantly surprise me is how well the humor has gone over - I didn't expect so many people to praise it. And nobody has said the movie was a disaster, or a failure, or a terrible prequel - most have said that it's actually pretty decent.
No depression here; I think we're getting a movie for the fans, not the critics. As a fan, I'm ok with that.
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BeornBerserker
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Dec 4 2012, 9:25pm
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dont know if this has been posted
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http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/film/film-reviews/8034659/Stuffs-first-Hobbit-review
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BeornBerserker
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Dec 4 2012, 9:30pm
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this one speaks highly of 48fps
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http://twitchfilm.com/2012/12/an-unknown-journey-the-hobbit-brings-high-frame-rates-to-the-masses.html
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Balrogslunch
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Dec 4 2012, 9:32pm
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agree with everything you say here :) ....
I loved the Riddles in the Dark section too......i also liked the 3 Trolls section havent heard much about that (glad to see that bit fresh so to speak) :)
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BeornBerserker
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Dec 4 2012, 9:41pm
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http://www.wwltv.com/news/national/182072871.html
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Tim
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Dec 4 2012, 9:44pm
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They said "Remember the interminable false endings of Return of the King" and I stopped reading
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Heh heh I enjoyed every minute of Return of the King and didn't want it to end. So I'm not going to be able to relate to this one and this just reinforces what Silverlode said earlier.
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Balrogslunch
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Dec 4 2012, 9:49pm
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it was well written and constructive in what it was trying to say....i am certainly looking forward to the story bloat :).....they also seemed to enjoy parts of the 48fps (after watching the film in 24fps) ....these reviews i respect their opinion because they say it contructively and not just plain 'nasty' like an odd one or too have been ,,,
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Dogsofwar
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Dec 4 2012, 9:54pm
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I agree on all accounts, I hope people heard the podcast in the last thread where Opie&Anthony and Comedian Jim Norton went on for a long time about how amazing it was. And if you know those 3 they make fun of everything...I feel this movie will be loved by the casual viewer and die hards.
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elostirion74
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Dec 4 2012, 9:59pm
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I'm getting the impression that the majority of the reviews are quite positive, really. Apart from the expected discussion about 48 fps, some of which admittedly made me apprehensive at first, the majority of the less enthusiastic criticism seems to be about pacing and lengthy exposition. I'm wondering how much this is due to the framing device involving Frodo, or the comedy with the unexpected party in Bag End, though.
In general Freeman, Armitage, McKellen and Serkis get plenty of praise for their performances, and after all they are the most vital characters of the first film, aren't they? I don't really see how any reviewer could realistically expect in-depth treatment of or to connect to all of the dwarves in the company; a film needs to focus on a limited number of characters in order not to be reduced to a sprawling mess. If three other dwarves besides Thorin stand out as distinctive characters to a general reviewer, I'd say that's a sign that the film-makers have done their job.
I'm not too happy about the complaints about drawn-out action scenes, as I generally don't favour such scenes, but I'll reserve judgement till I've actually seen the film.
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Aragorn the Elfstone
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Dec 4 2012, 10:00pm
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Yeah, that always did annoy me...
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Even the rave reviews for RotK seemed say things like "it works so well, even if there are endless multiple endings...".
The closure of RotK is one of the things I love most about the trilogy. If that's the sort of stuff in The Hobbit that the critics are complaining about, then I'll enjoy the movie just fine. :)
"All men dream; but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds awake to find that it was vanity; But the dreamers of day are dangerous men. That they may act their dreams with open eyes to make it possible."
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