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malickfan
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Dec 1 2012, 1:14pm
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What are the special features on the Theatrical edition DVD’s like? And a couple of related questions
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Being one of those weirdo’s who could happily sit for ages watching Making Of’s (Currently working my way through the Alien Antholgy’s) and other extras, I was wondering whether it was worth buying the Theatrical cut’s (which I haven’t seen since I upgraded from VHS to extended Dvd box set six or seven years ago) for the extras-I gather they aren’t particularly interesting, but I can buy the trilogy for a fiver (perhaps less) second hand so I was wondering if anyone could fill me in on which special features are included.
On three side notes:
1) Are the Costa Botes Documentaries (which I haven’t seen…are they on youtube?) and theatrical edition extras included with the LOTR Extended Blu Ray set? I’ve got a blu ray player but I don’t want to make the leap unless everything is included (especially since PJ is already talking about new stuff for the lotr and hobbit ‘big box set’ for 2015)- one of the reason I didn’t bother with the star wars box set.
2) Do the theatrical cuts include things not in the extended cuts? I vaguely remember a different opening to Lothlorien, but I really can’t remember anything else…(I hope they include both versions in the big box set)
3) Could Born of Hope and the Hunt for Gollum be included in this future big box set? (Only seen a few minutes of each) or would this infringe copyright?
‘As they came to the gates Cirdan the Shipwright came forth to greet them. Very tall he was, and his beard was long, and we was grey and old, save that his eyes were keen as stars; and he looked at them and bowed, and said ‘All is now ready.’
Perhaps the most fascinating Individual in Middle Earth
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Magpie
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Dec 1 2012, 3:04pm
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...are things that were created for promoting the films to the general public before they were released. So there are hour long specials (well, minus time for commercials) that aired on various networks, for example.
They are not as in-depth, either in regards to Tolkien the man or the making of the movies, as the EE extras. But I thought they were interesting and I think they are worth it if you can find them at a reasonable price.
As to what the features are exactly, that's usually listed in Amazon listings, for example.
here's FOTR: http://www.amazon.com/...CWT6/ref=pd_cp_mov_0
Look under "Special Features" and be sure to click "Read More"
Find links to TTT and ROTK on this page or do a search for them.
1) - have you tried searching? I don't even bother keeping links to youtube videos. They disappear too quickly. Knowing WB, I'd say probably not. You might find short promotional clips for it.
2) I know that the whole cart ride that Gandalf and Frodo take to Bag End in FOTR is a bit different in the TE than in the EE. To my knowledge, there isn't any other scene that has footage in the TE that is not in the EE but there might be. I remember some fussing with the Complete Recordings of the scores was needed because different cuts presented music in different ways. But I think any footage you might have seen in the TE that was not in the EE would be minor (the exception being the cart ride).
The pacing is different. I saw FOTR 9 times in the theater but didn't want to buy the TE edition DVD because I was going to wait for the EE. I did rent the TE a couple of times so, in all, it was quite familiar to me. My first reaction while watching the EE for the first time was, "HEY... this isn't the movie I watched". I caught the TE on sale later and bought it. I know people who prefer the pacing of the TE. So it isn't always about getting MORE. It's about an enjoyable movie experience. I think it's worth it to have both editions.
3) I don't know but I doubt it. I think the copyright issue is too complicated. They can't make money on it so how could they include it in a product being sold and then claim those fan movies are encouraging fans to buy the product. If people buy the product to see the fan movies than *someone* is making money on the product. Even if the fans who created it aren't.
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Moahunter
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Dec 3 2012, 10:37am
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You can get these as part of the 3 limited edition/2 disc sets of LOTR.
Each set has 1 double sided disc: Theatrical version and Extended edition plus a second disc of the relevant CB documentary.
I recently got TTT in a NZ store at a knockdown price (thanks to Lissuin for the headsup) and found FOTR and ROTK on ebay for US$10 the two (not new but in mint condition).
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Kristin Thompson
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Dec 3 2012, 5:07pm
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I don't think of us as weirdos :)
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I have fond memories of the promotional films. The first one, on the sci-fi channel I think, gave me my first glimpse of the film's Shire. I interviewed Dan Arden, who made several of the promotional documentaries that are included with the theatrical-version DVDs, for my book. I also wrote about how such documentaries fit into the promotional scheme for films in Chapter 4 of The Frodo Franchise.
Yes, the Costa Botes feature-length candid documentaries are in the Blu-ray set. Each film has five discs. The film occupies two, the Appendices two (as in the original extended-version DVD sets), and Costa's docs are on the fifth. (The making-of documentaries haven't been upgraded to Blu-ray.)
As to the fanfilms being included in any future DVD or Blu-ray release, it seems extremely unlikely. Saul Zaentz gave the makers of the two ones you mentioned a hard time, and apparently they had to sign agreements that they wouldn't make money and would not make any other fanfilms--which seems rather draconian. They're both available online, though, as far as I know. They're also occasionally shown at conferences and festivals. Both were shown at the "Return of the Ring" event in August. Obviously no admission was charged.
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Ardamírë
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Dec 4 2012, 6:24pm
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It's the only scene in the TEs that is not in the EEs. It's actually one of the reasons I like to watch FOTR TE. It's a great little bit, probably not any longer than 30 seconds, but I still like it.
"...and his first memory of Middle-earth was the green stone above her breast as she sang above his cradle while Gondolin was still in flower." -Unfinished Tales
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Dec 5 2012, 4:08am
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That was one of the most surprising additions.
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Wait... so which is it; "You cannot go forward" or "You cannot go back"?.....make up your mind!
Darn Elves, saying both no and yes.  
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Ardamírë
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Dec 5 2012, 4:29am
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"Do not go to the elves for advice...
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for they will say both yes and no." Or something to that effect.
It's funny that you bring that up because I'd never ever thought about it that way. I guess because I don't watch it enough anymore.
"...and his first memory of Middle-earth was the green stone above her breast as she sang above his cradle while Gondolin was still in flower." -Unfinished Tales
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Silverlode
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Dec 5 2012, 5:14am
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which is opposite of the scene it replaced. Everything else is an addition or an expansion, but that one flipped from the Fellowship basically being taken captive to Aragorn arguing and begging to be let in. Gave me a bit of whiplash the first time.
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Ardamírë
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Dec 5 2012, 6:02am
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It is odd that it's so different. I wonder was it a reshoot, because I'm fairly sure the extended scene was shot early based on Legolas's different costume. At least, that's what I remember hearing from somewhere. But then it seems odd that they would revert back to the old scene for the extended edition. Oh well! I'm happy to have both available. 
"...and his first memory of Middle-earth was the green stone above her breast as she sang above his cradle while Gondolin was still in flower." -Unfinished Tales
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Silverlode
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Dec 5 2012, 6:15am
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they shot a whole mini-battle with orcs on the borders of Lothlorien also, with the subplot that the Elves were angry because the Fellowship had woken the Balrog and brought the orcs to their borders. I think the original was part of that - that's why Aragorn had to plead for them to be let in? Then they cut that whole subplot for time and pacing and reshot it so that they were basically captured and taken straight to Galadriel for the Theatrical.
Or maybe the battle was part of the reshoot....argh, it's been too long. All I know for sure is that they cut the original version for time and switched it but when they were doing the EEs they went back to the original plan and that's why the Extended version is the older footage with the early Gimli makeup. But the battle never made it into either version.
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Ardamírë
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Dec 5 2012, 6:24am
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But thanks for trying to straighten it out. Interestingly, I think both versions work very well, but as you say they're in such contrast to each other. I think the theatrical version leans towards setting up Galadriel in a powerful and strange and dark sort of way. But the EE seems to set her up as more mystical and mysterious and a "lady of light."
I'm glad we could see both!
"...and his first memory of Middle-earth was the green stone above her breast as she sang above his cradle while Gondolin was still in flower." -Unfinished Tales
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