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Miceluz
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Dec 2 2012, 9:35pm
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About Beorn (spoiler)
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According to Aftonbladet. Mikael Persbrant will not be in AUJ but his role will be expanded now because the 3 movies. He will do a lot of additional shootings next year!!
http://www.aftonbladet.se/nojesbladet/article15869100.ab
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Miceluz
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Dec 2 2012, 9:44pm
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Some translations from article.
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Peter Jackson: He (Persbrandt) has created an extremely strong character and I am looking forward to him in the second movie.
The history definitely have a lot of Beorn in the 2nd and 3rd movie. Mikael is a fantastic actor and we will have him back here to shoot more scenes. He is that good. Beorn is the type of character you want to write more material for.
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painjoiker
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Dec 2 2012, 9:48pm
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as I can read and understand Swedish 
Speaking it is a tad worse though 
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Lissuin
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Dec 2 2012, 10:16pm
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Translation of Beorn-related info:
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Home / Nöjesbladet 2012-12-02
Now Persbrandt larger 'Hobbit'-role
Peter Jackson to Nöjesbladet: We'll bring him in more scenes
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WELLINGTON. Nöjesbladet was the only Swedish newspaper to hang out with the crew during the world premiere of "The Hobbit" in New Zealand.
But already the director, Peter Jackson, is looking forward to the sequel - to be working more with Mikael Persbrandt.
- "He has created an extremely strong character," he says.
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Actors about Mikael Persbrandt:
Martin Freeman (Bilbo):
- "He is very good. I wish I had more scenes with him. He was popular among us actors. He is very funny. It would have been fun to play more against him. We hung out a lot. He went back and forth a lot to New Zealand."
Ian McKellen (Gandalf):
- "God bless him! Micke was fantastic. I enjoyed being with him. Because his heart is in the theater, like mine, we had a lot to talk about. I hope to see him again soon.
"I admire him as an actor working in a language other than their mother tongue. Not easy. But Micke speaks English very well. It must be hard to travel back and forth as much as he had do."
Andy Serkis (Gollum):
- "He is amazing. The scenes I directed him in, he was extremely bold. He is a very brave actor. He jumped right into it. Technically very interesting things, that he can shift between humans and bears."
On 12 December, "The Hobbit" premieres in Sweden. But Mikael Persbrandt's character Beorn first appears in a year.
- "You'll have to wait for film two to see him", says Peter Jackson." I look forward to it in the second film."
For those who read "The Hobbit" it's no surprise. Bilbo, Gandalf and 13 dwarves embark on a journey where they encounter many adventures in different places. About halfway into the book, they come to Beorn and his house. There are a few important scenes before the party moves on. At the end of the story, Beorn has a large and very important role.
As long as it was two movies, the meeting with Beorn was in the first. Now it's moving to the future "The Hobbit: Smaug's Wasteland/ The Desolation of Smaug."
"Absolutely wonderful"
What can we expect?
- "The story definitely has a lot of Beorn in the second and third movie. Mikael is a fantastic actor, absolutely wonderful. We will bring him back here for us to record more scenes for the third film next year. He is so good. Beorn's the kind of character you want to write more material for", says Peter Jackson.
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painjoiker
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Dec 2 2012, 10:46pm
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It's more than just Bo5A :o
I don't know, but that's what I got out of it 
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Aragalen the Green
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Dec 2 2012, 11:08pm
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I beg to differ (spoilers from book)
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He played one of the MOST important roles in the Battle of Five Armies--he basically won the battle! And led them to the secret path through Mirkwood.
Frito groaned. "I wish I had never been born," he said.
"Do not say that, dear Frito," cried Orlon. "It was a happy minute for us all when you were born."
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Tim
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Dec 2 2012, 11:16pm
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I still don't like the term fan fiction
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Fan fiction is fiction written by fans of something so they can make their own little private thing about it that other fans can squee over for free. Movie adaptations are writers taking a book and making it into the best movie they can with it, and that's what is being done here - a movie adaptation. Being a fan or not a fan of the adapted material is not a prerequisite and is for all practical purposes besides the point.
I can't tell you what to do and you're obviously welcome to your own opinion. I understand your concerns, I didn't like every decision PJ made with his adaptation of LOTR, though on the whole they're an excellent set of movies.
With regards to more material for Beorn, I withhold judgement until I see what they do with it, if anything. Some things do and don't survive the editing process.
-Tim came by. Tim! If you had heard only a quarter of what I have heard about him, and I have only heard very little of all there is to hear, you would be prepared for any sort of remarkable tale.
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Lissuin
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Dec 2 2012, 11:17pm
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they didn't initially write in all the scenes they could have, but now they want to.
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Sinister71
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Dec 2 2012, 11:41pm
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IMO if the original writer didn't write it or sanction it it qualifies as fan fiction to me...
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who knows maybe it will be good maybe it wont... or as said maybe they didn't include everything they could use. But given Peter Jackson's track record he wants to try and write as much of the stuff from scratch as he can making an attempt to fill the voids Tolkien obviously left. I don't see a need for that. I don't need more of the story than what Tolkien already told us for it to be good IMO but to each their own. . I don't need Beorn's role expanded for the films to be good, or to make sense. In fact expanding his role into areas where he wasn't involved in the book would IMO just seem forced and not natural to the tale of the Hobbit.
I never claimed NOT to like LOTR I see many flaws people just accept as being good film making and agree to disagree on some of those changes. Not every change made is good for a film,ex. Denethor doing a half mile sprint on fire to jump off the edge of Minas Tirith. Personally I would have rather seen him die where he should on the pyre. Over all LOTR were great films but IMO they were at their weakest when Jackson and co deviated from the blueprint Tolkien gave them.
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duats
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Dec 2 2012, 11:43pm
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Beorn being pushed to film two was a huge blow for me. It's nice to see so many people gushing about his performance, but it's only made me even more impatient.
I cannot wait for Beorn.
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Ardamírë
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Dec 3 2012, 12:16am
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make me much more anxious to see Beorn. Before I was kinda "meh", but now I really want to see him. I knew next to nothing about the actor, so I wasn't sure what to expect. I'm very glad to hear people gushing about him.
"...and his first memory of Middle-earth was the green stone above her breast as she sang above his cradle while Gondolin was still in flower." -Unfinished Tales
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Sinister71
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Dec 3 2012, 12:25am
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Seen him once a long time ago in a movie
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it was a small part but he was really good in it, and I have faith in his ability as an actor its the material he is given to work with that I fear. 
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Ardamírë
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Dec 3 2012, 12:32am
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I'm not sure about this extra stuff they're planning. Time will tell.
"...and his first memory of Middle-earth was the green stone above her breast as she sang above his cradle while Gondolin was still in flower." -Unfinished Tales
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painjoiker
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Dec 3 2012, 1:28am
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I've seen several of his Swedish films,
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and he can act! He has never been a bear before though
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Silverlode
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Dec 3 2012, 1:47am
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all movies are fan-fiction unless the screenplay is written or overseen by the author? That makes fan-fiction pretty much inevitable and inescapable in the movies, so you would seem destined to wrath and disappointment by your own demands if you object to all fan-fiction on principle. On the other hand, if you think some fan-fiction is good and some is bad, you enter the realm of debating what is good and bad in adaptations...which is where most of us dwell. Are we just arguing preferred word choice here?
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Aragalen the Green
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Dec 3 2012, 1:50am
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I've always thought of fan-fiction
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as endless Kirk/Spock romances. Lol.
Frito groaned. "I wish I had never been born," he said.
"Do not say that, dear Frito," cried Orlon. "It was a happy minute for us all when you were born."
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Sinister71
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Dec 3 2012, 2:01am
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some fan fiction is good, some bad
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I realize they can't stay 100% to the book but where I have a problem is them feeling they need to write more material that was not in the story. Instead of just telling the story at hand. That material IMO is just simply not needed.Yes, Fan fiction can be good but at least most of the writers who do it good admit to it as being fans, instead of the usual Jackson comments that its in the spirit of Tolkien, or we think if Tolkien had to do it over again type of comments. Or thinking they are "improving" what Tolkien wrote... I feel there is nothing wrong with just telling the story with some tweaking close to the way it was written without having to add a bunch of material that is, IMO, NOT in the spirit of the original author. Its designed to be spectacle over the substance the Tolkien wrote.
the Harry Potter films for example were a lot of fan fiction BUT the author was collaborating with the film makers to make those changes as well and if she didn't like them they weren't used. So the vision of those films even though changed still stayed true to the authors intended work. I would have thought the Hobbit and LOTR would have been better had Jackson and co worked with Christopher Tolkien or someone at the Tolkien estate to bring a vision to the screen closer to Tolkien's own
But again that's just my opinion.
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Dec 3 2012, 2:20am
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that the filmmakers offered to work with the Tolkien estate and were turned down, don't you? It's Christopher who didn't want to be involved with the films, not the other way around.
And I don't claim that all their choices were ideal (I have plenty of things I would have done differently) - it's just the pejorative connotations of the term "fan-fiction" and the way that it lumps the script with a great sea of what is often truly dreadful writing that ruffles feathers.
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painjoiker
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Dec 3 2012, 2:33am
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I wonder if it was for better or worse...
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Interesting imagining how these films would be if the Tolkien Estate was involved in the creative process!
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Tim
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Dec 3 2012, 2:33am
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... is amateur writing by a fan of something. Like, somebody writing what they'd like Shepard from Mass Effect to do or the Seeker from Legend of the Seeker or Sam and Dean from Supernatural... it's not in the same category as people paid to take a book and adapt it to what a they think movie audience will need.
It's not really interchangeable and that's why it's considered derisive and dismissive when aimed at screenwriters.
-Tim came by. Tim! If you had heard only a quarter of what I have heard about him, and I have only heard very little of all there is to hear, you would be prepared for any sort of remarkable tale.
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Sinister71
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Dec 3 2012, 3:17am
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I think they were more worried about whether they could instead of worrying about whether they should. There were plenty of places they could have stayed closer to the source material instead of opting to make changes. I believe when Jackson approached Tolkien about the LOTR after the scripts were already done. I'm sure if Jackson had wanted to stay a bit closer to his fathers work, involve Tolkien in the script writing instead of opting to go the Hollywood blockbuster route he might have been more receptive to working with them on it. IMO a more mature Hobbit (one with a similar tone as LOTR) that stuck to the story of Bilbo's adventure instead of making it more about the bigger picture involving Sauron and making a bigger deal about the ring, Stuff that doesn't tell the Hobbit the way Tolkien published it and felt it needed to stay. Tolkien abandoned the rewrite why should Jackson be the one to try it again...
To each there own I guess... I prefer what Tolkien wrote as the Hobbit. Not saying Jackson's films wont be entertaining I'm sure they will, but they aren't the real Hobbit and never will be
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