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Faenoriel
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Nov 27 2012, 9:02pm
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So what about the Kiwis that dislike LotR/TH?
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From what I'm gathering, Kiwis are being pretty much forcefed with TH. Does this cause many counter reactions in people who either dislike or do not care about the films?
Because I can imagine my dad as a Kiwi, frowning and huffing and puffing at the telly, newspapers and everything Hobbittian, being annoyed beyond belief by all these stupid hairy elves and whatnots he can't avoid. 
But every word you say today
Gets twisted 'round some other way
And they'll hurt you if they think you've lied
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imin
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Nov 27 2012, 10:22pm
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I dunno i think you could avoid it if you didnt like it. I imagine it would be the same (but worse) if one is a New Zealander who dislikes rugby! Imagine that!
I think loads of teens will dislike it just to try and be cool as there is always some kind of backlash is something is forced upon a group.
How much media coverage is it getting, i have no idea, it could just be we think they are getting more as TORn keeps highlighting all the press, where as in the country you might not notice.
Also hasnt everyone in NZ been an extra or knew someone who has? PJ said something to that effect in those Sunrise interviews today. I think if i were an extra i would be happy to see the film do well.
Hopefully everyone is just Tolkien/ME/PJ mad! 
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Starling
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Nov 28 2012, 4:33am
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I did a very unscientific poll. Within our staff of around 45 people, there are two of us who are interested/excited. Of the rest I would say there is a mixture of: indifferent, slightly interested, and downright hostile.
We are getting wall to wall coverage and people who aren't interested are totally sick of it.
When I ask people if they have seen LOTR, roughly half have seen it, and it is very common for people to say they found it boring and fell asleep.
It might be hard to imagine on this site, but Kiwis are not all fans by any means.
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Starling
Gondolin
Nov 28 2012, 5:51am
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And here is a more scientific poll than mine
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I knew there had been one recently, but I just had to do some digging.
Here it is.
18% following the build up closely, and the story ranking 108th out of 112 for interest in news stories is kind of similar to my unscientific workplace poll.
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alienorchid
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Nov 28 2012, 6:54am
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I like LotR and TH but I've been pretty sick of all the marketing, it's just so saturated, and I remember feeling the same when LotR was coming out.
I also feel kind of sad that a lot of people only see NZ as Middle Earth, and not as a beautiful country in it's own right (though of course there are many, many who do!).
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Starling
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Nov 28 2012, 7:06am
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has been my low point so far. 
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Starling
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Nov 28 2012, 7:49am
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If you still don't have a functioning toilet, getting excited about a red carpet is probably a low priority.
Many people here are totally consumed by major insurance issues, stress, accommodation problems, repairs and rebuilds (happening or non-existent), not to mention the ongoing problems with our smashed up infrastructure.
That would be my guess anyway.
Also, some people I talked to today at work see it as a Wellington thing.
I'm not sure about the over 60's and people who earn under $30 though. Perhaps they are just busy getting through the day. Maybe Kiwis over 60 don't really dig the red carpet scene. They are probably sitting in their chairs reading The Hobbit. 
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alienorchid
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Nov 28 2012, 10:32am
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John Key in general was a pretty low point for me today
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and also just .. all the time..
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Rolfina
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Nov 28 2012, 10:40am
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Did you notice how PJ specifically said to Key he hoped he'd enjoy this movie?
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And the crowd gave an excellent reaction to that, apparently he couldn't be bothered with the book, NOR two of the LotR films.
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Starling
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Nov 28 2012, 4:51pm
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I hear ya.
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Faenoriel
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Nov 28 2012, 7:00pm
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NZ will always be the islands of awesome birds to me! //
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But every word you say today
Gets twisted 'round some other way
And they'll hurt you if they think you've lied
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diedye
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Nov 28 2012, 9:30pm
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All I could think of when someone said New Zealand was...
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... SHEEP!
Blessed are the cracked,
For they are the ones who let in the light!
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kiwifan
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Nov 28 2012, 11:31pm
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I think I wrote something to that effect about half a year in some post or other, don't remember when or where (my wretched memory), because it has seemed to me for a long time now that the tourism people are milking the LotR films and now, even more so, the Hobbit films, for what it's worth, never mind all the non-Hobbits who still live in NZ. You'll be inundated with planeloads of Chinese from the so-called People's Republic (some of which may end up buying up the country --- call me a pessimist if you like but they're doing it elsewhere as well --- or maybe those buyers won't be among the planeloads of tourists but you get my drift). I wish you'll still get some tourists who want to experience NZ (stunning countryside, lovely people, unique atmosphere) for its own worth!
It's exactly twenty years now since I had the great good fortune to travel in NZ for some thirtyodd days, long before all the LotR hype, when the country was still untouched by it, because it had been my dream country for decades, and though it sounds sacrilegious, if I had the chance to return (extremely unlikely due to ill health and lack of funds), I wouldn't want to go on a 'pilgrimage' to all the film locations, more likely would avoid them because I want to keep NZ and the films separate.
So don't let the media and the tourism people mess up your national identity!
'Goodness gracious, you really are a messie!' 'Oh no, I'm not, these are all just mathoms...'
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grammaboodawg
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Nov 29 2012, 1:49am
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It's inevitable that some don't agree with it.
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As with anything, the higher the headcount, the higher the differences. Something as simple as these Boards... The Hobbit Movie Board is the best example. We're all here because we appreciate Tolkien. Whether it's because of Jackson's films or the books... it can be assumed we all are here because of that common bond. BUT you'll see all sorts of opinions and attitudes about any given subject spawned from Tolkien's/Jackson's work.
T'is the way of society. There's no way everyone will be happy... but that's okay :) If we all agreed, there wouldn't be so many interesting debates :)
I really need these new films to take me back to, and not re-introduce me to, that magical world.
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Malveth
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Nov 29 2012, 2:36am
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I'll move to NZ!!
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willowing
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Nov 29 2012, 7:24am
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A big salute to the pass year from the start of the filming of The Hobbit to its completion.
I am happy that The Hobbit was completed on time.
Judging by the reactions to The Hobbit premiere I am happy that it was a success.
Went along with those who cared to, down to Courtenay Place to join in the fun and the fanfare and support everyone involved with the filming.
Made my day this, I along with many others were standing behind the Bag End stage and watched many of the stars enter the tent before appearing on stage through the big round green door.
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Eledhwen
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Nov 29 2012, 10:40am
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But I think by coming because of Tolkien ...
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they'll discover the rest of the country too - hopefully. After all if you visit Matamata you might as well go to Rotorua as well, and while I found Rotorua a bit faded-70s in the way some of the Yorkshire seaside towns are faded-70s (Scarborough, I'm looking at you) there is stuff in and around Rotorua that gives a flavour of the history and culture of NZ, like Lake Tarawera and Whakarewarewa - I didn't expect to enjoy Whakarewarewa much at all, I thought it would be all touristy-gimmicky, but actually I felt that it was a genuine effort to preserve Maori culture. And then if you go south for Queenstown and the locations round there you can't miss the rest of the stunning landscape. The only real LOTR-connected "trip" I did (ie with a guide) during my two years in NZ was a trip to Edoras/Mt Sunday, but because I did it in October outside top tourist season I was the only person on it. My brilliant driver/guide said "so what do you want to do" and as well as taking me up Mt Sunday drove me round the local sheep farms and talked me through sheep farming up there in the hills. I got so much more out of that day than just pretending to be Eowyn on the hilltop.
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alienorchid
Menegroth
Nov 30 2012, 3:26am
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I don't think that NZ will be seen as just Middle Earth. There seem to be a lot of people around at the moment who just want to come here because of the films and there will always be a small percentage of film fans who do, but I reckon for the majority of people who visit this country or wish to visit it, the film locations are just a bonus. After the hype dies down, I don't think TH will be a huge deal for most visitors who come here.
I grew up in a town that had a huge tourist boom and back then, when I was a child in the 90s, we'd still be inundated with plane-loads of tourists from asian countries (and they were buying land and businesses back then, too). Then later, after LotR, I worked in the tourism industry and I found that most people came to NZ for hiking, adventure sports, and pristine untouched landscapes.
It will certainly be interesting to see how it plays out over the next few years, but no one film or band, or TV show, or anything is going to change what NZ is for me, which is Home (despite being frustrated by numerous things in our culture and politics!)
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