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thomasofrohan
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Nov 14 2012, 10:04pm
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I'm really surprised that it's coming off this way to some...
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Freeman sounds wonderful here. It seems like Bilbo's not quite comfortable addressing the dwarves yet, so there's some uncertainty, but otherwise it does sound sincere to me. I especially like the delivery of "I know you doubt me", and the hint of Bilbo taking a stronger role in the group.
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Tim
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Nov 14 2012, 10:09pm
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-Tim came by. Tim! If you had heard only a quarter of what I have heard about him, and I have only heard very little of all there is to hear, you would be prepared for any sort of remarkable tale.
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Eleniel
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Nov 14 2012, 10:12pm
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Glad someone else feels like that too...
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It just feels clunky to me...perhaps it's the dialogue as much as Freeman's delivery. The words may be in the spirit of Tolkien to some, but it didn't feel like Tolkien's phrasing would to me - hence the contemporary feel others have noted.
"Choosing Trust over Doubt gets me burned once in a while, but I'd rather be singed than hardened."
¯ Victoria Monfort
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Ardamírë
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Nov 14 2012, 10:29pm
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This is a test. You. Must. Resist.
It was lovely music, though.
"...and his first memory of Middle-earth was the green stone above her breast as she sang above his cradle while Gondolin was still in flower." -Unfinished Tales
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Nov 14 2012, 10:37pm
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Wood is excellent in Everything is Illuminated
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And a number of other films.
I blame his acting as Frodo on Peter Jackson, and how they wrote his character.
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Pipe Dream
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Nov 14 2012, 10:39pm
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This is the first real glimpse into the film. A spot based on just one scene, just awesome. Gee Peter, we are all going to go see the film already...enough spots, just bring on the film already. -And the extended version afterward.
"There is a long road yet," said Gandalf. "But it is the last road," said Bilbo.
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Nov 14 2012, 10:48pm
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That this is the first time we have gotten a good sense of almost an entire scene. The tone of it was just right, IMO, and bodes well for the quality of at least the ending.
As long as Thorin doesn't fake die, that is...
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Elenorflower
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Nov 14 2012, 10:53pm
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Martin Freeman is acting in an understated rather than obviously comic way. I like it.
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Nov 14 2012, 11:04pm
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Perhaps that was the most reassuring aspect of this TV Spot.
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Vangalad
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Nov 14 2012, 11:15pm
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Martin is balancing the emotional moment here
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and signifies Bilbo's spirit, that is indeed a win.
The interactions between Thorin and Bilbo will be key moments for these movies and the development of the characters leading to the big showdown.
All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost,
The old that is strong does not wither,
Deep roots are not reached by the frost.
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Pipe Dream
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Nov 14 2012, 11:22pm
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Did anyone else notice the difference between Thorin's real and fake beards? Mabe he'll get a shave?
I like the real Armitage beard better, and am glad they changed it, but I hope they don't jump back and forth between the two. I always cringe when I see Viggo's fake beard in the extended cut.
"There is a long road yet," said Gandalf. "But it is the last road," said Bilbo.
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Nov 14 2012, 11:33pm
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How bad the fake beards are compared to the real thing.
My guess is that the decision to use yak hair, instead of human hair, for most of the dwarves is part of the problem. The other part is wig construction, which IMO, is less successful this time around than in LOTR.
Either that, or 4K is really exposing all the seams.
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Nov 14 2012, 11:39pm
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I also agree, although less so on subsequent viewings
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The lines that I particularly disliked were "you don't have one. It was taken from you." It almost seemed to have a taunting quality to it. But I think it is more in the clunky editing than anything else. I suspect that in the film, it will be very good.
'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'
The Hall of Fire
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Carne
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Nov 14 2012, 11:45pm
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I believe the yak hair is for budget reasons
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As mentioned in some interview (I think it was one with Peter King?) one wig and a "set" of beard can cost up to $10000.
I agree the real hair looks better. Dean O'Gorman grew out his (little) facial hair minus the mustache, and Aidan Turner obviously only has stubble.
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Elenorflower
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Nov 14 2012, 11:48pm
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the wigs are not as natural looking this time. I noticed that the wig for the Elven woman we saw a side view of, I think from a book, was very obvious round the hairline. Galadriels wig is a huge disappointment for me this time, it seems lacking in volume and substance round her face, theres too little of it, and in one of the photos again from a book where she is swirling, it looks wonky on her head. The contrast between LOTR and the Hobbit as regards wigs for Galadriel is IMO not good. and as for the star hair of Nori, well I always really disliked it.
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Pipe Dream
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Nov 14 2012, 11:54pm
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I remember an interview with Armitage...
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...where he said that between Block 1 and 2 he grew his beard because the prosthetics limited his acting. I've been worried ever since I heard him say that, fearing I would notice the difference between the two if they both made the final cut. Maybe he does get a shave or his hair gets singed during the Troll fight. (fingers crossed)
"There is a long road yet," said Gandalf. "But it is the last road," said Bilbo.
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starlesswinter
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Nov 15 2012, 12:26am
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Am I the only one who loves starhead Nori?
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I can definitely see why people think the weird dwarf designs are OTT, but I think they're the very reason we're able to distinguish them all even before seeing the film. Different colored cloaks wouldn't have cut it.
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Ardamírë
Doriath
Nov 15 2012, 1:13am
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You can do it! Only one month left
"...and his first memory of Middle-earth was the green stone above her breast as she sang above his cradle while Gondolin was still in flower." -Unfinished Tales
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Ardamírë
Doriath
Nov 15 2012, 1:15am
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But now I do. That really is pretty bad. The natural one looks infinitely better. Now I must purge my mind of all fake beards.
"...and his first memory of Middle-earth was the green stone above her breast as she sang above his cradle while Gondolin was still in flower." -Unfinished Tales
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Sunflower
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Nov 15 2012, 2:49am
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I have not heard a note of the soundtrack other than "Lonely Mountain", and I have not seen a single TV spot. Nor do I intend to do either the whole month. I must admit though, while it's easy in itself to do, it's getting painful for me not to be able to join in these wonderful discussions. *SIGH*
The plus side, though, is that you know darned well the essays and insighful comments I'll be typing on Dec 16th (I'll have seen it twice by then:)
In the meantime, I am re-reading Les Miserables to keep myself away from all of this. Yep, the whole enchilada (see the OT Reading thread:)
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Nov 15 2012, 4:33am
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So the only two design options were
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A star head, or a different color cloak?
The reality is that there are nearly an infinite number of design choices for differentiating the dwarves. They simply went with one of those options, and lots of people find it a bit bizarre.
Though I don't mind Nori so much. Kili is the only one who bothers me.
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Ardamírë
Doriath
Nov 15 2012, 5:16am
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You've got more fortitude than most!
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I heard only a tiny bit of the soundtrack, but I've eaten up all the tv spots! I don't know how you are able to keep away from them!
I look forward to you rejoining these discussions on the 16th!
Oh and I can't believe you're reading the whole Les Mis. I've only looked it up on wikipedia (after seeing the trailer) and it sounds absolutely daunting!
"...and his first memory of Middle-earth was the green stone above her breast as she sang above his cradle while Gondolin was still in flower." -Unfinished Tales
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