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Ardamírë
Doriath
Oct 27 2012, 6:09pm
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What's this spoiler??
"...and his first memory of Middle-earth was the green stone above her breast as she sang above his cradle while Gondolin was still in flower." -Unfinished Tales
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Lily Fairbairn
Gondolin
Oct 27 2012, 6:18pm
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No, this isn't Sam's house. I have a photo of this one I took back in December:
and a photo of Sam's house, too:
They both have yellow doors, but the triangular mailbox is in front of a different hole, and Sam's house is set into the hill differently, right next to another one.
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Eleniel
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Oct 27 2012, 6:22pm
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Apparently Kircher asked the prop department to make sure that there were some fresh flowers on the table for the feast in Elrond's chambers at Rivendell, since Kircher thought it might be quite interesting if, while everyone else was tucking in "-well, throwing food around, actually-" Bifur (who's a vegetarian) just sat there quietly eating the flowers!
And I can also tell you that Adam Brown's feature confirms that Jackson is acknowledging Ori's role as recorder, carrying a book in which he is always recording events and making sketches, thus linking him to the scene in Moria from Fellowship.
"I did a cracking job in that movie," jokes Adam. "I lost a lost weight for that role: practically a skeleton!"
"Choosing Trust over Doubt gets me burned once in a while, but I'd rather be singed than hardened."
¯ Victoria Monfort
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Shelob'sAppetite
Doriath
Oct 27 2012, 6:27pm
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That online petition was started by Voronwe, in response to a petition thread I posted here at TORN.
And it got some media coverage!
Whoever said petitions are completely useless was wrong! (Though, the petition is likely to have had ZERO influence on the production)
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Estel78
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Oct 27 2012, 6:39pm
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So, in other words, useless. ;)
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(Though, the petition is likely to have had ZERO influence on the production)
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Ardamírë
Doriath
Oct 27 2012, 6:55pm
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That actually sounds pretty good. I'm very much looking forward to the feast in Rivendell. Actually, I'm very much looking forward to all parts in Rivendell. Hopefully we're there for 30-45 minutes. Anything less and I'll feel robbed.
So, about Ori. Are they trying to make it sound like Ori is the one who wrote the book in Moria? So he went with Balin? Interesting. There was speculation earlier that Balin leaves Thorin before the BoFA, due to creative differences or something. It's possible Ori leaves with him and we're to imagine that he ends up with Balin in Moria. I quite like the idea. It's an unobtrusive connection between the trilogies, which are always the best connections.
"...and his first memory of Middle-earth was the green stone above her breast as she sang above his cradle while Gondolin was still in flower." -Unfinished Tales
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
Doriath
Oct 27 2012, 7:18pm
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... that not all that many people actually ended up signing it, and that in fact the counter-petition that Alatar started got roughly as many signatures. Which is one reason why I think that, as ridiculous as I think that feature is, there is likely to be as many people who think it is "kewl" (without thinking that is a bad thing) as there are people who think it is idiotic.
'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'
The Hall of Fire
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thomasofrohan
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Oct 27 2012, 7:31pm
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Personally, I don't just think it's "kewl"
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Although I do believe it is a neat design choice, and I like how they're making the injury a part of his character instead of just a design quirk. I love what I've seen of Bifur so far, and the descriptions of his personality are very promising. Whatever one thinks of how they've written and designed him, there's no questioning that Bifur is certainly going to be a unique screen presence (whether or not you support that is entirely your choice).
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Malveth
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Oct 27 2012, 7:49pm
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A party in Hobbiton for...some reason...Dwarves with ax-heads embedded in their skulls...Dwarves eating flowers...can anyone tell what in Middle-Earth any of this has to do with Jrr Tolkien's book & why PJ couldn't just make up his own absurd story???
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Carne
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Oct 27 2012, 7:50pm
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The party is most likely Gandalf meeting a young Bilbo
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As in a flashback.
Unless something else is mentioned in the book.
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Malveth
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Oct 27 2012, 8:14pm
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I don't find that thought any more comforting. It seems that PJ has taken a beautifully simple & direct story and made it impossibly over-complicated and very unlike the original. Very much a she did with "King Kong" and far too many aspects of LotRs, for my taste anyway.
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There&ThereAgain
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Oct 27 2012, 10:33pm
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I'm pretty sure we knew that from the day the same crew were making The Hobbit as LOTR
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it wasn't going to be the lovely story that Tolkien originally wrote, which is fine because I can read the book whenever I want.
The things that make The Hobbit great as a piece of literature were never going to translate onscreen especially with the way PJ makes films, so I think you should take solace in that fact.
multiple interpretations is something I try to embrace (helps keep my blood pressure down too). 
PJ's version is going to be the exciting, swashbuckling adventure version of The Hobbit.
"The world is indeed full of peril, and in it there are many dark places; but still there is much that is fair; and though in all lands love is now mingled with grief, it grows perhaps the greater."-J.R.R. Tolkien
"Thanks for the money!" -George Lucas
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There&ThereAgain
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Oct 27 2012, 10:35pm
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for sharing these tidbits.
Filmmaking is such a problem-solving process, Philippa is very aware of this and I think her instincts are always good.
"The world is indeed full of peril, and in it there are many dark places; but still there is much that is fair; and though in all lands love is now mingled with grief, it grows perhaps the greater."-J.R.R. Tolkien
"Thanks for the money!" -George Lucas
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Oct 27 2012, 11:00pm
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Showing Gandalf meeting Belladonna etc. rather than having Gandalf describe it is obviously "impossibly over-complicated" or "very unlike the original".
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Malveth
Ossiriand
Oct 27 2012, 11:16pm
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That you and millions of others will probably enjoy the film, and I have absolutely no ill feeling about that, I wish the world the utmost enjoyment; however:
"it [isn't] going to be the lovely story that Tolkien originally wrote"
Begs the question: Why Bother?? Why not invent his *own* story?? Why desecrate a beautiful novel?
I don't think Peter Jackson has an imagination at all. He's a good showman in the manner of PT Barnum and Cecil B. Demille, but he has nothing to say, no stories to tell. The best he could do was dreck like "Meet The Feebles" or "The Frighteners". Without Tolkien, he'd be nowhere right now, or at least millions of miles from the freedom, money, and fame he presently enjoys. He repays that debt by corrupting The Hobbit beyond recognition.
But I'll stop, this is why I never come here. I don't want to kill anyone's buzz. This movie's just not for me.
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titanium_hobbit
Nargothrond
Oct 28 2012, 12:26am
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The book is lovingly discussed there. :)
Hobbit firster, Book firster.
Have you explored all of TORN's forums?
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There&ThereAgain
Nargothrond
Oct 28 2012, 12:28am
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I really do and I agree that PJ is a showmen, but Middle-Earth has spectacle!
Nothing from the films is from thin-air, it's teased and extrapolated from things Tolkien wrote even if they are twisted to be silly, bombastic or flamboyant, but hey, that's this version.
I guess I come from a place where I don't see this as a desecration, even Tolkien understood, he didn't own Middle-Earth, nor does PJ, nor do you or I. If we want to make our own version that focuses on the poetry, the history the FOOD (which I would), then I can go and do that.
Art is beautiful because it's open for anyway to play in. Just like blues and jazz, any other art form is open to remix, reboot, reconstruct, recontextualize and reimagine. Nothing exists in a vacuum. We are merely a string in a long history of influences and influencers.
It is unfortunate that certain things we like get interpreted in a way that doesn't gel with our tastes, but at the end of the day we should be happy that anyone and everyone has the ability to create to their own desires.
Sorry to get didactic, but I feel very strongly about the subject matter.
 
"The world is indeed full of peril, and in it there are many dark places; but still there is much that is fair; and though in all lands love is now mingled with grief, it grows perhaps the greater."-J.R.R. Tolkien
"Thanks for the money!" -George Lucas
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Aragorn22
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Oct 28 2012, 12:33am
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Not sure how you can say this movie is beyond recognition?! It is not gonna be a perfect translation but it appears to be pretty faithful were it counts. No movie adaptation is ever gonna be perfect. I feel Peter and company truly try to capture the real essence of the books( lotr) and will do so here. I can't wait.
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Malveth
Ossiriand
Oct 28 2012, 12:41am
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As I said, this movie isn't for me.
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Malveth
Ossiriand
Oct 28 2012, 12:41am
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I wonder if Pete would allow me to lovingly reinterpret one of his films? Just a fan-edit, nothing too drastic, maybe a half hour version of "Heavenly Creatures", removing all the things I personally think are superfluous to the film, or a version of "Forgotten Silver" where the words "This Is A Hoax" flash onscreen in red every five minutes? I'm sure he wouldn't mind, his version would still exist. Maybe a novel based on "The Frighteners" where the main character is addicted to crack and all of the supernatural events are only in his head - after all, prose is a *completely different* medium! Some changes would *have* to be made to make the story more acceptable! I'm sure he'd be A-Okay with that. Unless he's (ugh) a Purist! How selfish of him. I should be able to express myself too! His films don't belong to him, they belong to all of us. My interpretation is as valid as his. Yes, I am sure that PJ would be fine with that, and no legal action would be taken, and all of his fans would also support my creativity.
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There&ThereAgain
Nargothrond
Oct 28 2012, 12:42am
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thanks for listening to me ramble. 
"The world is indeed full of peril, and in it there are many dark places; but still there is much that is fair; and though in all lands love is now mingled with grief, it grows perhaps the greater."-J.R.R. Tolkien
"Thanks for the money!" -George Lucas
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tripecac
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Oct 28 2012, 12:43am
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I don't want to kill anyone's buzz. Said like a teatotaller in a busy pub. Many of us see your point, and aren't completely disagreeing with you, but we are here for the beer, not the sermons.
Getting back on topic, I'm curious about the book itself. Does it have a lot of "meat" on its bones, in terms of information about the construction of the movie? And is the writing as engaging as Brian's similar LotR book? Or does it feel rushed?
I remember there were two versions of Brian's LotR book, right? One came out in the midst of filming, and so lacked some of the information still under embargo. The second version was more complete.
Does Brian's first Hobbit book feel more like a "version 1", or a "part 1"? In other words, will a subsequent book replace this one or complement it?
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Malveth
Ossiriand
Oct 28 2012, 12:45am
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I'd probably enjoy a completely original, bugnuts insane comedy/fantasy movie from him. I loved his idea of doing a "Monty Python" take on epic fantasy. I just don't see how that is relevant to Tolkien.
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