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Fardragon
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Oct 15 2012, 9:20am
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A Far Dragon is the best kind...
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redgiraffe
Nargothrond
Oct 15 2012, 9:33am
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but the armour and weapons of Bolg represent everything that is bad about such things in movies which is a double shame given the fact that what we see of these in LOTR and other aspects of The Hobbit are considerably better than this and generally the best ever seen in non historical movies and even better than weapons and armour as seen in many historical movies. With these things less is more and being based in reality removes any ridiculous spectacle over the top designs impose on the movie audience. Orcs had the skill to make effective weapons and armour, Tolkien notes this on more than one occasion, unfortunately Bolg looks ridiculous.
I hate to be negative as well, but one of the things the entire production crew prided themselves on was the fact that they wanted LOTR to seem like it had some grounding in history - which was Tolkien's original intention in the first place, IMO.
All of their armor designs thus far have maintained a historical feel to them. Everything has felt real, functional, and no cheesy. But Bolg kind of stands out dramatically. SA, said it best, he looks like he's something you would see in a "he-man" movie. It just looks like his costume is kind of b-grade cliche fantasy. I have no problems with things like his face and beard and such but it's his wardrobe that doesn't do it for me.
-Sir are you classified as human
-Negative, I am a meat-popsicle
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Estel78
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Oct 15 2012, 12:50pm
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Can you explain to us what is so non-functional about him? //
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Oct 15 2012, 1:06pm
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There's just too much going on with this guy. He's over-designed, and none of it is very good.
This is definitely not a Del Toro design, either. Even though his can be OTT by some standards, they are always clean and coherent designs.
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Estel78
Dor-Lomin
Oct 15 2012, 1:11pm
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Please don't pretend to know what is and what is not Del Toro.
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Clean and coherent can mean 100 things for 100 people.
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redgiraffe
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Oct 15 2012, 1:18pm
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I wasn't saying necessarily that this design wasn't functional or doesn't look functional, even though it looks like I sort of worded it like that.
I was just noting certain aspects of the LOTR armor designs and that the functional look was one aspect.
-Sir are you classified as human
-Negative, I am a meat-popsicle
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Estel78
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Oct 15 2012, 1:20pm
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So what do you not like about it? //
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dave_lf
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Oct 15 2012, 1:40pm
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It's like the design of Rohan where they said "the Rohirric culture values horses, so we'll slap a horse on everything." Only this time it's "the guy's called the Necromancer so it'll all be bones, and this time let's forget about taste." He looks like the killer from a schlocky Halloween movie.
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Bombadil
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Oct 15 2012, 1:47pm
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1. I remember that John Howe is an Expert in Medevell
Weaponry. So he probably helped in the Weapons.
2. Remember how Mirkwood looked with Heightened colors
because the Red Epic cameras eat color.
So here we have character that Also needs heightened
Coloring to photograph well.
3. War paint like American Indians did to to frighten their
enemies.
So that said
Bomby is fine with it.
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redgiraffe
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Oct 15 2012, 1:53pm
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It's a bit difficult to explain but I will do my best
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Personally, I think it looks kind of cheesy. It's just my opinion, though. I mean I still haven't seen it in the film so I might have a completely different opinion.
I guess I just feel like it stands out too much. All of the other armor designs have seemed to have a more historical feel to them. They all look like armor I could imagine someone wearing with respect to what type of group they were in. Bolg's design feels more fantasy than historical to me. IMO, this is a big contrast to every other bit of armor I've seen in LOTR and pics/vids for the hobbit.
In LOTR, even the more ornate designs like Sauron, the elves, and the witch-king, seemed quite fitting for the culture and weren't over the top in my opinion. They still had more of a historical feel than a fantasy feel to them.
And what I've seen of the warg-riding orcs armor design looks pretty good. It seems like a lot of bones and junk sort of thrown together. It looks like Bolg has sort of followed that pattern but taken too far to the extreme to where it stands out too much. It doesn't look like a natural choice of armor for an orc, or really anyone, IMO.
When I look at Bolg, I'm just kind of reminded of b-grade fantasy movies from the '80's. A big part of the design that I don't like is the shoulders. It just has a cheesy look to it IMO.
I share the same feeling as SA, that there's too much going on with his costume. He looks over-designed, and to me the design isn't at all interesting.
-Sir are you classified as human
-Negative, I am a meat-popsicle
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Phibbus
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Oct 15 2012, 2:06pm
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He looks like the killer from a schlocky Halloween movie. I forgot about Friday the 13th - Part 3(-D). There were lots of scenes like this with Jason's weapon-of-the-moment coming out of the screen at you. Let's hope there is no intentional homage.
Man is but an ass if he go about to expound this dream.
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Estel78
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Oct 15 2012, 2:07pm
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I find it in line with LOTR orcs. There were all kinds of orcs, really. To me, it's difficult to say, this fits in, this does not. Some orcs also wore elaborate stuff, like that one in ROTK with a head on a stick on his helmet. Compared to that some bones is nothing. 
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redgiraffe
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Oct 15 2012, 2:26pm
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I find it in line with LOTR orcs. There were all kinds of orcs, really. To me, it's difficult to say, this fits in, this does not. Some orcs also wore elaborate stuff, like that one in ROTK with a head on a stick on his helmet. Compared to that some bones is nothing.
At the end of the day it's really hard to understand our own subjective opinions of why we like or dislike something. You brought up the ROTK orc with the head sticking out. I have absolutely no way of explaining or even fully understanding why I don't find that design cheesy but I find Bolg to be cheesy. I'm just weird in some ways I guess  .
As you said, there are lots of different orc designs that we've seen. And to me I do think it does fit in with the concept of some of the orc armor but I guess I just feel it's so much more extreme that it doesn't seem to naturally "fit in". Just my opinion though. But I agree it's difficult to say what fits in and what doesn't.
But really all we've seen is these pics of Bolg that aren't actually from scenes in the film. It's quite clear it's a guy in costume on a set because those are the only pics we have seen. In the movie it could feel completely different when we see it on screen. It might seem to fit more naturally, to me, on screen when I see it in context.
-Sir are you classified as human
-Negative, I am a meat-popsicle
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GoodGuyA
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Oct 15 2012, 3:14pm
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What? There's only two pieces of Rohirrim culture where the horses are evident
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It's not on the armor... It's only on the Golden Hall and Theoden's sword. Otherwise there's no "horse horse is a horse, of course" visualization.
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Elenorflower
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Oct 15 2012, 3:48pm
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but not in a good way.  I should think he is rubbish in battle, he's got so much stuff on and spiky pointy bits he would catch on passing things and get stuck. and he would get stuck fast in caves with all those antler things,
and running would be a problem too. Its just too much design and aesthetically it just looks like a big messy cartoon.
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Otaku-sempai
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Oct 15 2012, 4:12pm
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All those lovely projections...
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Lots of places for weapons to catch onto, including on his mace (or whatever that is supposed to be). If he's lucky, Bolg can use that to disarm opponents, but it can just as easily be used against him.
'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Oct 15 2012, 4:14pm
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A second-string cast member from Cats who, dissatisfied with his job, leaves the production, joins up as a roadie for Twisted Sister until he is kicked off the bus, and then joins the Texas Chainsaw Massacre clan.
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Elenorflower
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Oct 15 2012, 4:31pm
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that funny, Cats, he does look a bit feline, a Cowardly Lion gone Post-Apocalyptic?
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Estel78
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Oct 15 2012, 5:21pm
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He has similarities with a Kilrathi.
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Anyone knowing what a Kilrathi is (without googling) gets a cooky.
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sharpened_graphite
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Oct 15 2012, 5:59pm
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The lion-esque aliens from the Wing Commander games...
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Those were the days. 
I quite like the design myself, it IS 80's in its style, but also looks like something that could be drawn by Arthur Rackham. The face is much closer to my personal vision of orcs than 90 % of the orcs in the trilogy. Certainly better than the Uruk-Hai of Lurtz's mould, which recalled to my mind warriors from some South Seas cannibal tribe rather than Tolkien's orcs.
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dave_lf
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Oct 15 2012, 6:09pm
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it's bad luck to mention Kilrathi while discussing film adapations.
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