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White Council Poster!
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Otaku-sempai
Half-elven


Oct 2 2012, 8:38pm

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Radagast and the White Council [In reply to] Can't Post


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Radagast was never part of the white council...I doubt there was time to gather the rest for an emergency meeting.



Theoretically, all three (five?) Istari were members of the White Council--at least in potentia. The two 'Blue Wizards' were, of course, missing in action; however, Radagast's lack of participation was completely his own fault.

'Thus spake Ioreth, wise-woman of Gondor: The hands of the king are the hands of a healer, and so shall the rightful king be known.' - Gandalf the White


DanielLB
Immortal


Oct 2 2012, 8:42pm

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The cleansing of Dol Guldur, I imagine / [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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dave_lf
Gondor

Oct 2 2012, 9:06pm

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That's the obvious answer [In reply to] Can't Post

but that event won't happen in film 1 (I assume). I just hope it isn't from the troll scene. Unimpressed


DanielLB
Immortal


Oct 2 2012, 9:14pm

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I hadn't even considered that [In reply to] Can't Post

Dol Guldur is in the background. Most obvious suggestion, but also the most likely. Wink

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burgahobbit
Rohan


Oct 2 2012, 10:38pm

Post #55 of 83 (8798 views)
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Yes I thought so too [In reply to] Can't Post

It looks grey. Interesting...


stoutfiles
Rohan

Oct 3 2012, 12:53am

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Technically he was evil in TH [In reply to] Can't Post

Just hiding it.


Pipe Dream
Gondor


Oct 3 2012, 1:00am

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Here is a closer look. [In reply to] Can't Post



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Ring-Bearer
Rivendell


Oct 3 2012, 1:57am

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Beautiful! [In reply to] Can't Post

It's wonderful to see old friends again!
They're still looking great after all these years. Thank you so much for posting!

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AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Oct 3 2012, 2:54am

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Tired of worrying with it. But Glorfindel can be better than assumed. [In reply to] Can't Post

Aside from being the mightiest of Rivendell's Elves, aside from Elrond, and his close friendship with Gandalf and Elrond, at Elrond's council he comments on events from White Council meetings, concerning Saruman, etc.

Still a great picture. I mean to put it on my social media.

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While he is never specifically named in the Council, it is odd he would be ignored. Why would the Council purposely omit a Wizard? Don't say his advice wouldn't be useful, because Elrond sent his sons to consult with Radagast.

Members known:

Cirdan (who isn't in the picture yet was in ROTK)
Galadriel
Gandalf
Saruman
Elrond

Members that could be assumed:

Celeborn
Glorfindel
Radagast
Erestor


"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


Milknut
Rohan


Oct 3 2012, 3:56am

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I just found this one too. THEY MADE SARUMAN LOOK YOUNG! [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm still in awe. Hopefully he looks that good throughout the film.

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rings7
Rohan


Oct 3 2012, 4:57am

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What a fabulous post! [In reply to] Can't Post

Thanks to all for all the great links!


Aranaes
Rivendell


Oct 3 2012, 6:10am

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I reckon he's attempting to 'heal' Thrain, kinda like he did with Theoden/ [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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Lausus
Bree


Oct 3 2012, 6:51am

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I'm betting Gandalf's quote is definitely from the Troll Scene [In reply to] Can't Post

It looks like they really want to mirror the confrontation with the balrog on this.


DanielLB
Immortal


Oct 3 2012, 7:14am

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I hope not... :-( / [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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DanielLB
Immortal


Oct 3 2012, 7:15am

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Radagast's staff is definitely lit! [In reply to] Can't Post

This could be around the Trollshaw area? The wood looks brighter than Mirkwood.

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DanielLB
Immortal


Oct 3 2012, 7:22am

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Possibly... [In reply to] Can't Post

So much of the Quest happens in the dark or at night, that it couple be applicable to almost anywhere:

- Trollshaws
- Goblin Town/death of Great Goblin
- Warg attack/lighting of pine cones
- Mirkwood/Dol Guldur
- BO5A

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DarkJackal
Rohan


Oct 3 2012, 9:39am

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Is the calendar officially out yet? [In reply to] Can't Post

You'll get a good look at his staff there.



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DanielLB
Immortal


Oct 3 2012, 9:44am

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I've been keeping an eye out, but haven't seen it / [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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Faenoriel
Tol Eressea


Oct 3 2012, 1:20pm

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Is is the same "illumination stone" Gandalf used in Moria in FotR? [In reply to] Can't Post

That would suit the "Gandalf takes Radagast's staff" theory.

But every word you say today
Gets twisted 'round some other way
And they'll hurt you if they think you've lied

(This post was edited by Faenoriel on Oct 3 2012, 1:20pm)


Fertlthewhite
Bree


Oct 4 2012, 4:55am

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Saruman [In reply to] Can't Post

... it's an old picture of Saruman - just mirrored

http://www.swordskingdom.com/useruploads/images/lord_of_the_rings/saruman1.jpg


Eye's on Guard
Lorien


Oct 4 2012, 5:34am

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Sure looks like it... [In reply to] Can't Post

Here's an overlay


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Milknut
Rohan


Oct 4 2012, 6:18am

Post #72 of 83 (8353 views)
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That sucks! [In reply to] Can't Post

Frown

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sharku
Rivendell

Oct 4 2012, 6:28am

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Copout [In reply to] Can't Post


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In terms of making a quality and approachable movie for the casual fan, introducing Cirdan, Glofindel and Erestor into the story not long after introducing the 13 dwarves would be very tricky to do...


That's still a bit of a cop out / sop to the lower common denominator, and an unneeded shame given the fairly minor addition of an actor in a beard (Cirdan) and a slightly wider shot to get Radagast in there with a line or two. You don't exactly need to introduce them to the audience or take up screen time to show them. Think Ioreth in the houses of the healing (albeit that was in the ROTK EE).

Minimal cost and I'm sure that casual fans aren't that thick that they'd (literally) lose the plot. More dedicated fans would nod sagely and appreciate the correctness.

Besides, the complexity and number of characters in Game of Thrones and Harry Potter don't seem to have dented their mass appeal any. I'm far from convinced that including a couple of extra characters in the White Council would make the film any less approachable to a casual audience. The film will still be successful as a result of the success of the LOTR films which means the "casual fan" market who would be flummoxed by Cirdan/Radagast would surely be relatively small).


(This post was edited by sharku on Oct 4 2012, 6:35am)


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Oct 4 2012, 7:03am

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Agreed [In reply to] Can't Post

After all, the Council of Elrond had a number of extra people that never spoke, and it gave that scene some real-world color.


(This post was edited by Shelob'sAppetite on Oct 4 2012, 7:03am)


dave_lf
Gondor

Oct 4 2012, 1:07pm

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Meat in the room [In reply to] Can't Post

There may be plot/character reasons for Radagast to be absent, but yes, there's no particular reason there couldn't be some random Rivendell elves in the background (and maybe there will be!). But this is assuming there is something akin to a formal White Council meeting in the films, and not just a couple ad-hoc discussions among the individuals who happen to be there.

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