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SirDennisC
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Sep 20 2012, 5:37pm
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Someone raised the issue of "friendly Gollum."
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(sorry I can't remember who, or in what thread)
We have to consider that Gollum/Smeagol of LOTR is the base character here. If he doesn't line-up with the saucer-eyed, hissing, paddle-handed creature from the pages of Riddles in the Dark for some, that is an expectation and argument whose time has long since passed.
Given what we know of PJ's Gollum from LOTR, I think they went the right way with him here. For instance, he hasn't lost the Ring yet, he's not very hungry at the moment (according to Tolkien), and he has Bilbo at his mercy in the dark as it were. All these factors would account for his comparatively friendlier countenance in TH. That is to say, he should seem friendlier than the strung out, starving, escapee of Sauron's dungeon we encounter in TTT.
imho
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totoro
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Sep 20 2012, 5:38pm
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is a viking. I really need a new one. I go as a viking every other year. Last year my whole family was pirates, but my daughter hasn't gotten over the fact that she was not allowed to go as a pretty princess (even though we said she was a pirate princess).
Sorry off topic. Um. Next year I will go as Balin. (Sort of on topic.)
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Macfeast
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Sep 20 2012, 5:43pm
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I haven't exactly been subtle about my disappointment in his short beard (which, to be fair, is my only objection at this point, the costume is great, and Armitage seems set to give an excellent performance), but I guess the fact that I choose to dress up as him regardless, is a good indicator of just how excited I am for these movies 
Balin was very close to winning me over, though. Perhaps I will go as him next time, and a third dwarf (Glóin, maybe) for the finale?
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Sunflower
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Sep 20 2012, 5:43pm
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LOL, I guess we now need this thread....:) Why are people even debating that we need it? If Mr. Shelob can successfully hold forth, than we who are pleased can here!
I may be willing to endure a little extra CGI and "santization" in certain scenes if they are balanced by the same evidence of craftsmanship and attention to detail in the scripts that we had in LOTR, the same evocations of the richness and density, that "overdesign" of M-e that Kristin Thompson so wonderfully discussed in her book (Hey Kristen! Wonder what YOU think? I hope we get to hear from you soon!)
One example of this is, as I discussed in my music thread below, the musicians in Elrond's banqueting hall. That threw me--didn't expect that at all. I don't think this is a case of, "Oh, someone was watching The Tudors." It's more an example of that extra little bit of atmosphere and mood, that sense of packing as much as possible into every frame. Other films this might be a nuisance, but IMO too much can never be enough when we are in Middle-earth! Whether it's packing it in live or CG, sometimes the diff shouldn't count! We are meant to get lost and wallow in M-e. Not just b/c Peter wants to take the time to delve into Elven culture that he perhaps wished to and couldn't in LOTR. (or he wanted to save it for TH haivng faith it would be made one day....it's eerie how many TH refs in LOTR there are..which now sema naturally in with TH as if the one was made before the other! Uncanny huh?) It' b/c he wants to explore an element that always fascinated me in "Many Meetings"--Bilbo's fascination with the Elves as a people and how that rubbed off on Frodo and esp Sam.
Second--Rhosgobel and Beorn's house. These sets are obviosuly not CG and are every bit as fascinating as the Golden Hall. And of course Dale blows me away...
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totoro
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Sep 20 2012, 5:47pm
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I think it would be a mistake to try to argue PJ sticks to the book religiously because the trailer has some deviation. Bilbo did not suggest the riddle competition, Gollum did.
Be that as it may, to quote Gollum half a page after startling Bilbo: "'Sssss' said Gollum, and became quite polite." He remains polite as he explains Bilbo gets eaten if he loses, and Bilbo said "all right." I prefer the movie version "fair enough."
All in all, I don't see how one could complain about the treatment of Gollum. If you liked the book, it seems like the worst you could say is you had a preference for something-something. Taking the bits we've seen and turning it into a huge negative just strikes me as an earnest attempt at negativity.
(sorry I can't remember who, or in what thread) We have to consider that Gollum/Smeagol of LOTR is the base character here. If he doesn't line-up with the saucer-eyed, hissing, paddle-handed creature from the pages of Riddles in the Dark for some, that is an expectation and argument whose time has long since passed. Given what we know of PJ's Gollum from LOTR, I think they went the right way with him here. For instance, he hasn't lost the Ring yet, he's not very hungry at the moment (according to Tolkien), and he has Bilbo at his mercy in the dark as it were. All these factors would account for his comparatively friendlier countenance in TH. That is to say, he should seem friendlier than the strung out, starving, escapee of Sauron's dungeon we encounter in TTT. imho |
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Ardamírë
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Sep 20 2012, 5:48pm
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He should still be creepy though, no?
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I mean, he lives alone, underground, in the dark, by a lake. That's like the epitome of creepy. Bilbo should be more freaked out, but he seemed too comfortable.
Trailer 1 and the vlogs show more caution and scaredness, though, so I guess this isn't the whole picture.
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Ardamírë
Doriath
Sep 20 2012, 5:52pm
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Dale is fabulous. And what we've seen of Laketown is equally amazing. I mean, it's perfect! 
But...I don't think anything can ever compare to the pure beauty of the outdoor set of Edoras. 
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Faenoriel
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Sep 20 2012, 5:59pm
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All is Hobbit and nothing hurts!
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Positive things:
Bilbo-centrisim
The sense an adventure is calling
The cameraderie and the great spirit amongst the Dwarves - I want to join them and have fun!
The brotherhood between Kili & Fili and Dwalin & Balin
Everything about Balin
Everything about Bilbo aswell
Really, everyone: Elrond, Gandalf, Galadriel, Bofur, Thorin, Ori...
Radagast and his hedgehogs of adorableness
Richard Armitage's voice deserves a special mention
Dol Guldur looks wowity wow wow. It's straight out of Alan's and Howe's paintings.
The fun, the colours, the joy of adventure, the sense of wonder, the unknown.... yes!
I think I'm falling in love with Fili. No regrets
But he has to share me with Bofur
Sméagol and Gollum, I missed you two loonies
Galadriel and Gandalf together in Rivendell. It's some special kind of awesome
Elrond and Thorin being cats and dogs in their barely self-restrained way
New Zealand
They way Thorin slams the contract into poor Bilbo's chest, and when Bilbo faints, he turns around annoyed. Also watch wath Bofur does when Bilbo hits the floor. Generally, the Dwarves have zero respect for Bilbo and he's pretty much treated like some very amusing joke, expect by Thorin who's just irked by him.
Balin calling Bilbo "laddie"
And much more.
But every word you say today
Gets twisted 'round some other way
And they'll hurt you if they think you've lied
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SirDennisC
Gondolin
Sep 20 2012, 6:10pm
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I wonder what the post count would be in such a thread.
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droidsocket
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Sep 20 2012, 6:27pm
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The negativity of some have become so vile of late that I cannot come to read some peoples posts. If I could I would honestly block some people so that I did not have to subject myself to their wretched words. And there are times that I feel the movie boards should have a sub category for people that like and people who don't like these movies. I myself enjoy intelligent discussion.. but when some are so steadfast in there disappointment and use these boards to replete over and over how much they dislike PJ and his work it stops being lighthearted debate and just seems like one pushing there own agenda.
I am not saying this to come across as harsh but I feel as tho the amount of negativity and the sharp words used against these movies and the directory are being pushed far past "just my opinion" into the world of just plain nasty. And to be honest I don't know why some people even have any interest coming on these boards. if you hate the direction the first trilogy had and the trailer makes you so disappointing because it seems to follow the same film making....chances are you are going to hate the movie too. Save yourself some money and don't go to it.. And save the rest of us from the immense amount of negativity that we are bound to get on these boards if you do.
I do not come here to have my love for these movies nor my excitement lowered because some find so much wrong with a simple trailer used for marketing. Rant over.
By the way. I loved this trailer. I loved how it was so different from the first trailer and that is showed that the film will be both somber and heartfelt yet funny and action filled. I always loved The Hobbit book more then LOTR. But fell in love with PJ's trilogy. And this just looks so amazing! I will not be surprised if this trilogy replaces the last trilogy as my all time favorite.
Martin is so perfect. I had only ever seen him act in Hitchhikers and Sherlock. I really did not enjoy hitchhikers and when Martin was announced as Bilbo I was like "who is this guy" his performance in that movie was so forgettable....but then I started to watch Sherlock and that brought me hope. After seeing the first and now second trailer I believe this man was born to play Bilbo. He has such an endearing awkwardness to him that just screams Bilbo.
Richard was another that i was very unsure about. I had seen a few episodes of Robin Hood but other then that he was unknown to me. I also was not a fan of his makeup and short beard from the first photo released. But this trailer again sold me on his ability. Not only do I know feel like his design fits with in the context of the film but his performance is stellar. The one second clip of him on top of the pine tree was all i needed. He is emoting an intensity that is just awesome. Ready to pounce!
Middle Earth looks amazing as always. Its so exciting that we get to see new and old places. The dwarfs look awesome prosthetic and all. The slightly more fairytale feel/colors are a welcome change for me... will help give ME a lighter feel from the first trilogy.
All this talk of 4 or 5 k resolution being a bad thing is just nuts to me. I want my movies to be crystal clear. I actually find it very annoying that many new digital movies that come out in the cinema have had a grain added to look more like film. It just looks messy. If you want your image to be, well frankly blurry, then drink a couple beers before you watch it. lol
I am so excited for Dec 14th. I am making my wife nuts at how crazy obsessed I am about these movies. lol
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Ardamírë
Doriath
Sep 20 2012, 6:34pm
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probably is the main reason. It's disappointing though, at least to me.
We'll have to see the whole scene, of course, to make an informed decision. But right now, like with everything else in this film, I'm just in a wait and watch mode. I won't be let down or overjoyed until December 14
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Ardamírë
Doriath
Sep 20 2012, 6:35pm
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What if it's negativity toward the dwarf-crushing Goblin fall? 
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DanielLB
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Sep 20 2012, 6:40pm
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There are exceptions Ardamírë!
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We can have negativity over the lack of Mr.Purse and Gandriel in the trailer, plus the silly Goblin fall.
Everything else must be positive. I insist.
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acheron
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Sep 20 2012, 6:49pm
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I'm still wary about the movies, and especially about turning the story into three films, but everything in the trailer looked pretty good to me.
For instance, on the planet Earth, man had always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins because he had achieved so much -- the wheel, New York, wars, and so on -- while all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far more intelligent than man, for precisely the same reasons. -- Douglas Adams
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Ardamírë
Doriath
Sep 20 2012, 6:50pm
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You really ought to tell everyone
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what is acceptable to be negative about. Make a thread about it (be a troll. be a troll!) 
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Tim
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Sep 20 2012, 6:57pm
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I appreciate the quote, Sir D, but we must give that one to DK's scriptwriter...
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And to answer your question yes, nerd rage over nerd rage is still nerd rage. And if one type's "nerd rage" over and over enough it starts to lose it's meaning.. ahhhh!
*post edited and cut to go into forum feedback*
Anyway, I enjoyed the trailer.
King Arthur: You know much that is hidden oh Tim.
Tim: Quite.
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easterlingchief1
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Sep 20 2012, 6:59pm
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But I've never felt like critics of the Jackson films have been dog piling on us fans. Frankly, while I've not seen eye-to-eye with you and other posters, I always appreciate your input.
What I personally (and I think lot of other posters, Jackson film fans or not) don't like is when some Ringers uses these forums as their personal blog to rant about what they don't like about the Trilogy or the upcoming films.
* Just do we're clear, Cotton, you're not included in this group, at least to my knowledge.
But please, don't hold back on any criticisms you have about the Trilogy (existing or upcoming). Like I said, rational input is appreciated, and even us die-hard Jackson fans have to remember that the movies aren't perfect.
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totoro
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Sep 20 2012, 7:00pm
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I think it is OK to be negative about the hedgehog
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OK, granted it was identical to a hedgehog in still frames, but we know that hedgehogs don't do this-or-that (the thing that makes me so angry). They should have done it the old fashioned way and taken a scalpel to the beast to insert mechanical gears and whatnot to force the damn thing to move like it would normally move, but in a way that it would not normally because hedgehogs wouldn't move that way unless they were forced to. While we are on this topic, they should have gotten a real Balrog. I mean, what the hell? It was so obvious that thing was fake, too. Balrogs just don't move like that. It totally ruined my suspension of disbelief.
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Sep 20 2012, 7:05pm
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If you notice the quick shot of Gollum at the end of the trailer, he looks a lot more sinister. It's very brief, but I think this might be after he realizes the ring is gone. There's nothing "cute" about his visage here.
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