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architecthis
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Sep 20 2012, 3:55pm
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The 'unofficial' NOT disappointed thread
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I don't post very often here. I tend to just read through the posts to find out if I might have missed some interesting detail here or there, but I felt the need to comment on all the negativity I have picked up on over the past 24 hours.
First of all, the biggest issue before the release of this trailer (it seemed to me) was the worry that these films would be a repeat of the LOTR. That they would be too dark or humorous to match the character of the novel, and now that the trailer is here one big complaint I keep seeing is that these are not enough like the trilogy both aesthetically and with regards to the scale. If there is one complaint I will sympathize with it is the lack of miniatures being used but this is not LOTR and the technology has come a long way since 1999 so let's at least wait until we see the movie before we start making references to Star Wars and Narnia.
Secondly, the great goblin appears to me to be very interesting and IDK if I am the only one who sees it or what but if you look at Barry Humphries in the latest video log they seem to have exaggerated his features quite a bit but I totally see his face in the design. I also feel that we can't pass too much judgement on a corpse without seeing him bring the character to life.
As far as there not being enough hair on the wargs, really? I think there will be many wargs many of which look distinctly different. If the banner released by WB is any indication then at least several of them will be black with longer hair (much like Grom or whatever from Neverending story) and we also know from a video blog that we will have one who is larger and white.
Richard Armitage is perfect in his role his voice gives me the chills. In fact several of the dwarves have interesting irish and scottish accents which is also pretty cool and something we have not seen before in ME. I think all of these details will help to lend a sense of depth to the race. Additionally, Thorin is not referring to Goblin town when he mentions entering the mountain just because a scene in goblin town is cut in shortly after, we also have a scene with radagast cut in just after that....its just a trailer and it's edited to maximize interest.
Too much humor? Especially at the end with the great goblin scene? watch the alternate endings, thats what they are there for
I just dont know what people expect I guess. I am slightly concerned over the green screen but Weta is the best in the world at this so I guess I am not too concerned. I also feel the Hobbit should be a bit lighter in tone and gradually become more ominous as the party approaches the mountain - in which case the trailer is spot on if you ask me.
Finally, please remember this is not the shore soundtrack....the sound is going to add so much to the atmosphere of this movie, much like lighting can completely change the way one experiences a building or space. Try to keep an open mind and not jump to so many conclusions people.
This trailer is awesome!
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Escapist
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Sep 20 2012, 4:06pm
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Something does seem to be strange!
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Now I saw a thread called "the officially disappointed thread" and I am new here and have never seen such a thread and didn't know how "official" a thread labelled official was ... so I posted in it even though I wasn't actually officially disappointed.
Mostly, I was replying to the fact that in fact, TH is different than LOTR and yes - it should be (and actually TH is my favorite over LOTR). I also remembered how much the song in the first trailer was awesome and hoped to hear more (although I wouldn't say I was disappointed).
So I guess that I thought that thread was open for back-and-forth discussion like any other thread but then the strangest thing happened! I got the impression that my positive comments and reasoning about points people brought up were not exactly welcome in that thread - which I found to be a surprising form of negativity that I had no intention of generating! It was strange to see that sentiment repeated in that thread so much ... it made me scratch my head wondering what kind of negativity this was ... clearly not the same kind of back-and-forth discussion I normally love to join in on TORn.
Officially not disappointed here ... in case there was some confusion ... sorry if there was
(and I think it would be kind of cool if some wargs took after El Chupacabra .... although quite scary as well! Maybe even too scary and "close" to modern legends - I don't know ... not to say that the short amount of time they appeared is enough to definitively make an El Chupacabra comparison - just an impression)
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RosieLass
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Sep 20 2012, 4:11pm
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...that those of us who don't love everything Peter Jackson does get tired sometimes of being jumped on whenever we talk about something that concerns us.
So, if there was a feeling of unwelcome for the positive posts, it might have been because they felt like criticism of the criticism, and not just people being positive.
This board welcomes all opinions, positive and negative, as long as people treat each other with respect, and part of that respect is letting people state their opinions, whether we agree with them or not.
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architecthis
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Sep 20 2012, 4:11pm
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And thank you for yours. Maybe this thread is unnecessary as we have many with regard to the trailer already but i felt like they were mostly initiated to be critical. I don't know if I've ever even started a thread before but again, I felt the need for a positive interpretation I guess.
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JWPlatt
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Sep 20 2012, 4:13pm
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One might say you are displeased with the displeasure. I am wondering how that is different.
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architecthis
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Sep 20 2012, 4:18pm
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Except it is different, because I am pleased with the trailer, which is what I was referring to.
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Sep 20 2012, 4:20pm
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about the thread titled "Official Disappointed". I've changed that "Official" to "Imdb".
It looks like it's purpose was simply that: a place where people could express disappointment. And fortunately, it's just about off the main page of this Board now! 
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WhiskFishercat
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Sep 20 2012, 4:26pm
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I dont post on here much either, but I've been watch these forums daily for over almost two years now. Thanks for speaking up Architectthis!
I loved the trailer. I think its going to be a great movie, people shouldnt let a trailer get them down too much. Wait until you see the final movie first! Do I have some concerns? yes, but I'm going to see the movie first to see how it all plays out.
The one that makes me laugh the most is people complaining about RA as Thorin, you only heard a couple of sentences in two and a half minutes from an entire trilogy. I think he going to be a badass. I like his reaction to Elrond about going into the mountain, I think he is going to be tough, and loyal, always how I imagined him. I cant wait to see him get pissed over the arkenstone.
The second thing that makes me laugh is the comparison to Narnia. I dont see Narnia in the Hobbit trailer. I dont see three kids walking into a closet! I dont see talking jesus lions! Have you forgotten there are talking eagles, and dragons, and ravens and thrushes in the Hobbit? Its definitely more fantasy than LOTR., What were you expecting, a darker version of LOTR? It's still dark, look at the Dol Goldur and the Goblin tunnels. The Hobbit takes place during a golden age of sorts, its going to be a bit more colorful.
I completely agree with your h. shore comment.
Anyways, I think we're gonna be in for a treat!
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Altaira
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Sep 20 2012, 4:36pm
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With architecthis' permission, I change the title of this thread to the 'unofficial' NOT disappointed thread, because I could tell that was his true intent.
For the record, I'm a card-carrying NOT disappointed fan. As I said elsewhere, when both trailers are taken together, we've now seen some of the serious side and some of the not-so-serious side of what we can expect. I'm glad they showed some humor in this one because many people may not realize that the Hobbit, and especially the first 2/3 of the Hobbit, is both fun, and funny, in many places. It sets it apart from LOTR, and sets people's expectations up for the fact that it's a different story.
It also let us see even more of the dwarves - their camaradarie and the bond they have with each other - a smart set up for a movie with so many main characters. It was a good mix of showing characters people already love, and making them start liking the dwarves already, before they even see the movie. What better way to get people into the theaters - which is the whole reason studios make trailers after all!
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imin
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Sep 20 2012, 4:41pm
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There is a sizable minority who did not for whatever reason like the trailer, but the majority did and most threads talk about how they are looking forward to this and that and discussing it with excitement.
The other thread served a purpose of keeping negative comments from spilling over into other more positive threads.
This thread just seems like a reaction to the negative thread which is not needed, seems a little pointless with all the others?
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architecthis
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Sep 20 2012, 4:44pm
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But I felt like, with the exception of the official trailer post, most threads were highlighting some form of negative criticism so I decided to post my own positive interpretation.
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JWPlatt
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Sep 20 2012, 4:49pm
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No, your thread title points directly at those who are disappointed.
Only then do you list why you are pleased with the trailer, which is fine by the way. I'm not really displeased either, although I do understand the concern. I just find the displeased attitude at odds with those who both expect the film to follow more closely to the childhood spirit of The Hobbit and be more adult.
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imin
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Sep 20 2012, 4:50pm
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It was not a personal attack against you by the way, incase you felt it was, more just i feel there is a lot of positivity for the films in general on here.
You want more negative go to some other tolkien forums! lol.
For me there were some parts i liked, other parts i didnt. I think this trailer highlighted the humour in the film or the humourous parts from the book as the last one was more an introductory trailer to get people to know the dwarves and re-introduce them to Middle-Earth and because of that more serious. I think the films will become more serious as they go through the trilogy but also be a mixture of some very serious parts and some silly parts - something for everyone, of every age - after all it would be a shame to have a film made based on a book that was aimed at children but which children could either not understand or were too scared to watch!
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Altaira
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Sep 20 2012, 4:51pm
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it's really appropriate to question whether someone else's thread is needed. If anyone has any questions about it, please post on feedback or PM and Admin.
Looking down the board, all the threads that discuss the trailer in general terms are gone. Also, while the 'disappointed' thread gave people a place to concentrate their comments, it didn't stop them from posting the same comments in other threads, just like the people who weren't disappointed. There's no harm in allowing a place to concentrate non-disappointment too.
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"I take a moment to fervently hope that the camaradarie and just plain old fun I found at TORn will never end" -- LOTR_nutcase
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adnan
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Sep 20 2012, 4:52pm
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As much as I respect differences of opinion, I can't believe the things people find to complain about, hair length of a fictional beast for crying out loud!
In any case, with the movies so close now, I would love to be surrounded by positive folk in these parts, and that is why I am grateful for this thread in particular :)
I loved the trailer, it captures The Hobbit look and feel beautifully, while still teasing the fact that there is a darker subplot, the additional material (which I cant wait to see). To sum up, after seeing the trailer I realized that this is the movie-magic missing from cinemas for the past decade!
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WhiskFishercat
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Sep 20 2012, 4:52pm
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feels creepy and evil. I hope we get to see a bunch of vista shots like that.
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imin
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Sep 20 2012, 4:54pm
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One of my favourite parts from the trailer :P
looks like tough terrain to get through.
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Carne
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Sep 20 2012, 4:57pm
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Love what we've seen of the trolls!
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Would have liked to hear them speak though, and as of now we only know Peter Hambleton is possibly voicing one of them.
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sador
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Sep 20 2012, 5:01pm
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Having only read the new title, I was not sure why some people felt offended by this thread.
Do you think an "unofficial have not seen the trailer yet" thread would be a good idea?
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Ardamírë
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Sep 20 2012, 5:02pm
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One of the best in the trailer.
I'm not surprised, though. All the landscape, especially the wide shots like this, in LOTR were stunning. I'm pleased to see that hasn't changed.
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dormouse
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Sep 20 2012, 5:02pm
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There is so much in the trailer that came to me as a sheer delight - all the Bag End scenes - Bilbo setting off on his adventure - Rivendell - Bilbo dangling upside-down from the hand of a troll - all straight out of the book. Combine that with the dwarf singing from the first trailer and I think the film looks magical. Roll on December!
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Sep 20 2012, 5:21pm
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And that should be all the motivation you need to create a positive thread, really. I do think this thread would have been better off, had you not worded it as a response to the negativity you describe; A thread created and worded as a direct response to what other people are feeling, be it disappointment, happiness, or anything else in between, can easily come across as dismissive and confrontative. "Some people feel disappointed? Well, I'm going to start a thread about it, and address their disappointment" just doesn't seem right to me; Leave it at "I want a positive thread", I say.
On-topic, this trailer has increased my already high level of excitement. Only three months to go! Gonna go work on my costume now, so that I might finish it in time 
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totoro
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Sep 20 2012, 5:21pm
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For the first half or so of the trailer, you are in the shire, with its trimmed hedges. The dwarves come along with a completely-different-from-hobbit rambunctiousness that really catches the mood of both the book and what I would like to see. The head-butt is a wonderful addition. Not mentioned in the book, but just the kind of thing that would make Bilbo wonder, "why would anyone headbutt another person?" and stand there in stunned silence at the subjective stupidity of the act. Because the hobbit has plenty of little touches like that where a sensible hobbit just would not condone certain activities, I think it is spot-on.
The dwarves are in a way more varied than humanity because they have the added benefit of inhuman, but still dwarvish (in my mind), characteristics. One is hard of hearing, one is hard of, well, thinking. You have the old fatherly sort, the young idealistic, ... I really like how the dwarves are not cookie cutter images. This is actually also a welcome deviation from the book. Using just the book, tell me the difference between Ori and Nori. Now I see it. I don't know if they will make Dori the strongest (he doesn't look strongest to me), but there are now so many visual cues, as well as manners of speaking, that distinguish these dwarves from one another. I would have liked some longer beards (at least I think I would have), but over all, I am quite pleased. I particularly like Balin. We also get nothing like the tone of his in the book (though he is from the narrator's perspective, which is Bilbo many years later I think, one of those who looks most kindly on hobbit).
I liked Rivendell just fine. The harps in the back give the feel of a tra-la-lilly without actually having to listen to it. The narrator mentioned that the elves actually seem foolish to some. I don't want to see the elves act in a manner that would seem foolish to some. I don't think it will translate well to the screen. I believe the tone of Elrond is such that there is no great concern for this. The way Elrond and Thorin speak to one another is spot-on what I pictured, with a bit of impatience and lack of trust throughout.
Then we get to goblin town, with the wonderful touches placing bones here and there and making it look like a cave, but as dirty a cave as you might expect. Having done a little spelunking in my day, I really liked the way they made the cave feels like it is underground, but had more character than the usual cavern. Not to say I don't think plain old caves are anything other than awe-inspiring, but it will not translate to the screen. You need to bones laying around and the old-looking platforms to really get it right.
The landscapes, well, we all know about those. Stunning.
The trolls are a little meh, but they had to look like the Cave Trolls of LOTR trilogy. I pictured them as more human-looking when reading the book; so I think it is just a matter of taste. They move quite well. The camp, the little I could see by still-framing the HD version of the trailer, looks nice and littered, like I would expect. On the plus side, the dwarves charging out to rescue Bilbo (together) feels more satisfying than them stumbling into the troll camp two at a time to be conveniently stuffed into sacks. There was a hint in the book about a couple of dwarves making an "impression" on the trolls in the form of painful, but not life-threatening wounds. However, over-all the dwarves seemed to act kind of stupid. I am glad to see hints of them going down with more purpose and a bit more of a fight.
The animals are amazing. On still-frame, I defy anyone to point out how the hedgehog or hare looks any different than a real hedgehog or hare. The only way to tell that there is CGI there is to realize that hedgehogs cannot be trained to do what that hedgehog does (and hares don't pull sleds). If that kind of CGI doesn't impress, you probably don't like things in real life that are unbelievable, like moon walks (hoax!) and such. Flawlessly rendered.
I adore the elves, Galadriel and Elrond. It is amazing to me the power they exude without any special effects. I think Sir Ian is showing his age a bit because he had the same power in the first film, but is somewhat diminished in this one. He is still awesome, though.
Nice touch having Bifur awake and playing with a toy when the goblins ambush the party. I thought it was kind of cute.
Were those stone giants a GDT design?
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