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News from Bree
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Sep 3 2012, 7:31pm
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Could this be Barry Humphries' Great Goblin?
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 A French Tolkien site has laid its hands on a couple of very intriguing images that may reveal Barry Humphries' Great Goblin and one of his minions. As you can imagine, they look appropriately gruesome!
For those who are keen to avoid spoilers, best to not look below the cut!
Here's the English translation of the description from the German action figure leak which we understand from Herr-der-Ringe to be true:
The Goblin King is a huge, grotesquely bloated monster that in the years of his tyrannical rule over the miserable inhabitants of the Goblin town grew fat and flabby. The Goblin town is a collection of skew-whiff ramshackle huts deep in the caves of the Misty Mountains. He commands a bunch of foul, polluted, with scars and ulcers studded goblins.
Basically, they are bandits, they live by what they can pick up from passengers on the passes through the mountains. The Goblin King and his followers manage to capture Bilbo and the dwarves. The Goblin King is more wily and smarter than it seems. He takes pleasure in torturing his prisoners -- he almost succeeds to finish off Thorin Oakenshield and his companions.
Behold the Great Goblin?
And his goblin minion...
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GoodGuyA
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Sep 4 2012, 1:01am
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Certainly a scary picture, either way. Not entirely sure if I like the look of it. It doesn't really meld well with the other orcs and goblins we've seen. The face is really flat, for one.
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Sep 4 2012, 1:07am
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If that first, large picture of the massive, bloated goblin is indeed the Great Goblin, I will be very happy indeed. Appropriately frightening, loathsome, and fat. Like some nightmarish mutant, wormy ant queen, but with a goblin face. Makes me want to say: "Good morning, worm, your honor!"
Quite possibly my favorite goblin design thus far. Echoes of the Rankin and Bass version, without the silliness!
Jabba the Hut, eat your heart out!
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Demosthenes
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Sep 4 2012, 1:16am
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I think I can detect echoes of Barry Humphries face there
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As an Australian, I've been seeing it for years and years and years on the telly as Dame Edna and Sir Les. Around the eyes, you can see a glimmer of resemblance.
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TomthePilgrim
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Sep 4 2012, 1:17am
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K . . . that . . . is . . . an . . . ugly . . . . . . . . .
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S . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . B.
Yikes!
If true, maybe he'll grow on me . . . looks like a massive, mutant gremlin.
The Road goes ever on and on
Down from the door where it began
Now far ahead the Road has gone
And I must follow, if I can
"Thorin sat up with a start. 'Something is not right,' he muttered to himself as he stood up and
looked towards the mirror . . . . . . . . . 'Durin's bones', he gasped, 'what's happened to my beard?'"
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Elessar
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Sep 4 2012, 1:21am
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In a good way of course but dang both of them are not on the pretty side of life for sure. lol
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Sep 4 2012, 1:24am
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There definitely seems to be some mole rat in there.
I am positively giddy about this design, as I have been looking forward to the Great Goblin on film ever since I saw the R&B version as a small child. And in this case, PJ doesn't disappoint.
In some ways, I think he is running with his horror instincts here. The Great Goblin should be a loathsome figure out of a nightmare, not a Lurtzian body-builder with face paint.
I think this Great Goblin has the potential to rival the iconic Jabba the Hutt in popular culture. Being an under-cover geek, I am not a collector of toys or figurines, but I may just have to have this one.
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Sep 4 2012, 1:29am
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Always the "consistency" guru, aren't we?
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I say, to heck with consistency. In all honesty, I thought most of the goblin and Uruk designs were very underwhelming and personality-less in LOTR. Gothmog broke that mold, but he was more cartoonish than frightening.
If these are the sorts of orcs we can look forward to in the Hobbit, the "bad guys" are going to be a lot more interesting, and fun to watch.
My guess is that PJ is letting his instincts drive him here, and that this is a good thing.
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HiddenSpring
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Sep 4 2012, 1:30am
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Love this creature. It's in that unsettling line between nightmarish and vile. I'm happy the films seem to be exploring the fairy tale aspect of The Hobbit - this and the stone giants are good signs, indeed.
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Demosthenes
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Sep 4 2012, 1:31am
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His Les Patterson is not exactly a beauty contest winner! //
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Phibbus
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Sep 4 2012, 1:45am
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It reminds me of Burton's silly take on the Penguin
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But it would be so uncharacteristic of Jackson to succumb to the facile lure of excessively grotesque overstatement. This couldn't possibly be the design.
Man is but an ass if he go about to expound this dream.
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GoodGuyA
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Sep 4 2012, 1:55am
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I don't get why you think orcs must be so non-human
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They are still intelligent creatures, however brutish they may be. The whole aesthetic of non-quite-human is one which is to lure us into a sense of security, off set by the 'demonistic' traits. Believe me, I like Gothmog, but this is straying into the realm of complete and utter fantasy. There's very little realism to this appearance. This thing doesn't look like it could function, let alone lead armies. That's where LotR stood apart in fantasy films, and of all things aesthetically, I don't want it to regress for the sake of being a 'children's fantasy'. And come now, this is a CGI creature. You should hate it with all your heart if you're a true Tolkien defender 
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Mooseboy018
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Sep 4 2012, 2:00am
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It says right in the description that these goblins are bandits. The Great Goblin's army leading days are probably long over.
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MatthewJer18
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Sep 4 2012, 2:24am
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He is all CGI. That's probably one of his minions. //
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MatthewJer18
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Sep 4 2012, 2:32am
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It's going to be so creepy hearing the voice of Humphries come out of that thing. Well done.
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Not quite what I expected (I thought there would be a bit more of Humphries in the face), but I'm quite impressed. It's a very creepy design, especially when you look at the mouth.
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MysterioMaximus
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Sep 4 2012, 2:50am
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I really like this design. I always imagined the Great Goblin, by how he's described, as the Jabba the Hutt of the Tolkien world. Very grotesque and bulbous. This design is freaking creepy, I love it. I feel like, if it's true that some Del Toro designs are still being used in the final product, that this was def. one of his. It really seems right off the page of not just The Hobbit but Hellboy 2 or Pan's Labyrinth. It's got a darker, almost hard fantasy stylization that Del Toro does more than Jackson. I feel Peter tends to go more realistic, of course that's all relative because none of it is realistic, than this. But hey, maybe I'm wrong. Point is - I love it.
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Sep 4 2012, 3:04am
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I don't see why this creature couldn't exist
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There are people on Earth that are enormous. Why can't a goblin be enormous?
In any event, Tolkien's description of orcs and goblins from the book always struck me as humanoid, yes, but far less human than the orcs we saw in PJ's LOTR. For the most part, IMO, those guys looked like extras with Halloween masks on.
The large one, which I imagine is the Great Goblin, is both plausible and grotesque. I don't find anything excessive about it. He is the Great Goblin, a large, grotesque and vile goblin!
Glad to see PJ thinking outside-the-box with the designs this time.
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Sep 4 2012, 3:05am
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Have you see some of PJ's earlier horror work?
He is definitely capable of something like this.
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MatthewJer18
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Sep 4 2012, 3:13am
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Braindead is one of the goriest films I've ever seen, but a lot of its design is also pretty stylized. PJ did try to give the trilogy a credible, historical-fantasy kind of feel, but he wasn't afraid to stylize at times.
Even though the GG definitely looks like something that PJ and his team could have thought of on their own, the Great Goblin does look like he wouldn't have a hard time fitting in at the Troll Market from Hellboy 2.
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MysterioMaximus
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Sep 4 2012, 3:16am
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Yes I have. I just mean that in his LOTR universe he tends to steer clear of high fantasy looks, like general associations. I seem to recall him trying to avoid as much magic as possible with Rings. I remember in one of the making of documentaries he told the design team to stay away from what he called "witchie poo" noses, meaning long and pointy noses with warts. In context, The Hobbit is much lighter and far more whimsical in tone than Rings, but I still feel this design was more Del Toro based off of PJ comments from the past on his Tolkien universe. That's just my theory because this is very strongly fantasy, almost pulling off general associations and folklore. Regardless, I really, really like it. I feel this represents what Tolkien wrote very well.
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nobofthepony
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Sep 4 2012, 3:18am
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I seem to remember GDT saying the goblins will be "mole-like." I can see it.//
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