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Aitieuriskon
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Aug 28 2012, 4:34am
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Runes *possible minor spoilers?*
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Has anyone attempted a transliteration of the runes embroidered onto this dwarf"s coat from vlog 8?
http://heirsofdurin.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/untitled-3-copy.jpg
Heirsofdurin's screen-cap is pretty clear, but is there a way of enhancing the contrast on the pic to better reveal the runes closer to the figure's belt?
So far all I can get is R-O-TH-E-R-C-?-?- if using the historical futhork rune system that Tolkien adopted for the English on Thror's map. The fictional Angerthas runes invented by Tolkien and used elsewhere don't seem to fit. The runes themselves are very fuzzy so I'm likely wrong on at least a couple.
The embroidery on both sides of the coat seems to be identical.
I desperately needed another speculation thread.. the well has run very dry as of late!
Also, are there any other runic inscriptions/emblems that are hiding out in the Vlogs?
"After all, I believe that legends and myths are largely made of 'truth', and indeed present aspects of it that can only be received in this mode; and long ago certain truths and modes of this kind were discovered and must always reappear." Professor Tolkien, 1951
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DanielLB
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Aug 28 2012, 9:42am
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I can't offer any knowledge on runes, but just wanted to say
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Good spot! Amazes me that we all pick out different things, and some things still go unnoticed for days/weeks/months after vlog releases! 
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Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
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Aug 28 2012, 10:41am
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Iīve just tought about this a cople of days ago, I was wondering (and still) who this two could be. I returned back to them because I tought that maybe one of them was PJ doing his cameo. After that I tought (and still) that this two could be managins one of Sauronīs rings that he gave to the dwarfs, who knows...
Then I noticed the runes, and I have no idea...but good spot indeed!
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DarkJackal
Rohan
Aug 28 2012, 3:47pm
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I tried it before, and just tried again with this version,
but it didn't change the results I got, which looks like R-O-TH-E-R-H-O?-O?-
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TomthePilgrim
Rohan
Aug 28 2012, 3:49pm
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> Futhorc (old english) : R . A . TH . E . B . H . . . . . . . . . although I've been wrong before . . . using Edred Thorssons 'RuneLore' and Ralph Blum's 'Book of Runes.'
doubt it's either Futhorc or Elder Futhark . . .
> using Angerthas, I got : B . GW . PS . O . P . E . . . you are right . . . that makes no sense. Again, could be wrong . . . the picture isn't good enough to get a good look.
PJ & Co. have a habit of using the proper translations . . . hmmm . . .
The Road goes ever on and on
Down from the door where it began
Now far ahead the Road has gone
And I must follow, if I can
"Thorin sat up with a start. 'Something is not right,' he muttered to himself as he stood up and
looked towards the mirror . . . . . . . . . 'Durin's bones', he gasped, 'what's happened to my beard?'"
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DarkJackal
Rohan
Aug 28 2012, 4:17pm
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Just for kicks, here are some more runes we've seen employed in relation to this film so far:
This is my attempt to replicate what can be seen on this photo posted on Herr-der-ringe-film.de. It spells "Kingdom". The image was rumored to be from the set, and certainly looks similar to what we saw in v-log 8.
While this is the message given to us in the last v-log:
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grinman
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Aug 28 2012, 5:56pm
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It does look like there's a rune in front of the "R"... but can't make it out. What say you? Are runic words separated by spaces? Maybe it's a word written strictly in Khuzdul? That would make sense, since they are dwarves..
If the rune in front is a "B", then the word could possibly be BROTHERHOOD....?
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AlatarielNoldo
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Aug 28 2012, 6:10pm
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I was just trying to figure it out myself, I love a good puzzle, and using Futhorc came up with R-O-TH-E-R-H-O.
BROTHERHOOD would make sense.
Seems like Weta used Futhorc and not Angerthas.
But in Lindon Gil-Galad still maintained his power, and Sauron dared not as yet to pass the Mountains of Ered Luin nor to assail the Havens.
[The Silmarillion: Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age]
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DarkJackal
Rohan
Aug 28 2012, 6:28pm
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And this is why I suck at figuring these things out. It can be staring me in the face and I'll be stumped just by one letter I can't see.
Yes Grinman, I'd say you got it!
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DanielLB
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Aug 28 2012, 6:33pm
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This picture is the best example of how the fake hands look awful - especially on the dwarf under question.
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DarkJackal
Rohan
Aug 28 2012, 6:47pm
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The dwarf wearing the runes looks a bit like Mark Mitchinson, who is credited on IMDB as playing Braga (as Carne discovered a while ago).
This is from the Games Workshop list of figures (which we don't know how movie accurate it is, but...)
Grey Mountain Dragons: Braga & Goldscale Worshippers
Just wondering if these worshipers and a brotherhood could be the same.
Here's the full size version of that image.
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Carne
Tol Eressea
Aug 28 2012, 6:59pm
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Braga is not a dwarf, I can tell you that much.
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And the list was apparently fake. MrCere asked someone involved in the production and they said it was not legit.
Some of it sounded interesting though 
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DanielLB
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Aug 28 2012, 7:09pm
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Dain I and Borin
Thror, Fror and Gror
Frerin and Thorin II
Groin and Fundin
Fathers of Bombur and Bofur, and of Bifur
Have I missed any other likely candidates?
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DarkJackal
Rohan
Aug 28 2012, 7:52pm
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So what is Braga?
And some of the list sounded like madness! I wouldn't be too sorry to see some of it not materialize.
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Carne
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Aug 28 2012, 7:53pm
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DanielLB
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Aug 28 2012, 8:09pm
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Perhaps he kills a few Dwarves in the battle, for "revenge"?
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Aitieuriskon
Lorien
Aug 28 2012, 9:11pm
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"After all, I believe that legends and myths are largely made of 'truth', and indeed present aspects of it that can only be received in this mode; and long ago certain truths and modes of this kind were discovered and must always reappear." Professor Tolkien, 1951
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Aitieuriskon
Lorien
Aug 28 2012, 9:21pm
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I could see this being a very heavily-masked Jeffrey Thomas. Perhaps it is Thror? And the dwarf inspecting the ring is either Gror or Fror? Or perhaps "brotherhood" in the sense of individuals bound under a common oath?
"After all, I believe that legends and myths are largely made of 'truth', and indeed present aspects of it that can only be received in this mode; and long ago certain truths and modes of this kind were discovered and must always reappear." Professor Tolkien, 1951
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DanielLB
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Aug 28 2012, 9:29pm
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The Dwarf clearly has *a lot* of prosthetics on - could be anyone behind it I'm not familiar enough with Jeffrey Thomas to pick out his features.
I took "brotherhood" literally, but yes, it could be more metaphorical.
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DarkJackal
Rohan
Aug 28 2012, 9:36pm
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Futhark appears to be the key to these inscriptions
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And reminds me of one more example. The replica key (no longer listed on the original site) has runes, which appear to spell Durin Heir.
For anyone who didn't know this already, Tolkien used Futhark all over The Hobbit.
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DanielLB
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Aug 28 2012, 9:42pm
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On a semi un-related note, did you ever manage to decipher anymore of Bilbo's contract after the thread here?
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DarkJackal
Rohan
Aug 28 2012, 9:47pm
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I should probably look at it again while reading the description from Comic-con of Bilbo reading the contract.
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TheSexyBeard
Lorien
Aug 28 2012, 9:53pm
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I've always felt that the Dwarf in purple looks like he could be Nori, Dori and Ori's father (he looks like Dori too me but without the fancy hair), and the one with the headband looks like a more sophisticated version of Bifur, possibly his father. I know it's probably unlikely to be the case but those were my thoughts when I first saw them.
Yes, my username is terrible.
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Magpie
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Aug 28 2012, 9:55pm
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You should browse this site to see what translating they've done
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http://www.elendilion.pl/
These are the same people (or same person) who did massive amounts of translating of objects and lyrics from the LOTR movie. That site which functioned on older software remains intact and this site (I just linked to) is the new one where they are apparently doing Hobbit translations. I think they did some of the sword inscriptions.
I would also suggest, in the spirit of collaboration, that any results you guys come up with here, be forwarded to that site. :-) Ryszard Derdzinski is very good about crediting people and you can see that the most recent article at the blog was written by our Earl.
LOTR soundtrack website ~ magpie avatar gallery
TORn History Mathom-house ~ Torn Image Posting Guide
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