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Hamfast of Gamwich
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Jul 30 2012, 8:18pm
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Shorter film lengths and no extended editions?
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From what I've read on the forums following the third film announcement, everyone appears to be assuming Jackson is going to add a whole load of extra content to the Hobbit and creating three epic, oversized films in which the plot is spread too thinly. However, it's just dawned on me that this isn't necessary the case.
If you consider the lengths of the extended editions of LOTR
FOTR - 210mins
TT - 225mins
ROTK - 263mins
(Average about 233mins)
And assume the Hobbit extended editions would have been the same, all Jackson really needs to do is split the 466 minutes (ish) of footages he's already shot over 3 films and he's already got three 2 hour 1/2 films. That's the same length as, for instance the last couple of Harry Potter films or the Hunger Games so is a length the average cinema audience is happy with.
(Obviously he'll need to shot a little bit of extra stuff to make the three films run smoothly, have beginnings middles and ends etc.)
Sorry if this seems obvious to other people but it hadn't really crossed my mind before and I was interested in what everyone else thought about it.
All the third film might really mean is we have to wait an extra year for the final two hours of the films we were meant to see in 2012/13, and we won't get extended editions. No extra filming of the history of the Dwarves or bridge film material.
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Jul 30 2012, 8:19pm
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3 2 - 2.5 hour films instead of 3 3 hour films and EE
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Kangi Ska
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Jul 30 2012, 8:22pm
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Three 170 minute movies theatrical
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Extended editions 200 +
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DanielLB
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Jul 30 2012, 8:25pm
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I think it is too early to second guess whether there will be EE's or not.
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Yesterday I was convinced there would be no "3rd film", and that these rumours would just gradually fade away.
2 Hobbit films had the same(ish) amount of production days that the trilogy had. Plus the 3 extra months of filming before this was announced, plus even more additional filming now required ... there's going to be plenty of footage left over for an EE.
There's always a chance of EE's - far too much money to be made from them!
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Hamfast of Gamwich
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Jul 30 2012, 8:28pm
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It is too soon to know anything for sure I guess
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We could still get extended editions ($) but probably not with anywhere near as much extra footage each.
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hasufel
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Jul 30 2012, 8:32pm
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What you say makes sense in that he might have enough footage to make three shorter movies as opposed to two long ones.
I have always felt that Return of the King should have been two movies. There was so much to fit in and so much material, it seemed rushed.
He might have learned from the past and decided not to omit scenes in order to meet an overall time restraint.
I do hope you are incorrect and these get the extended version as before.
There was quite a bit in the LOTR extendeds that only hardcore fans would catch. I thought that was cool.
Plus it added another three days to look forward to new material.
Many have lamented about the Hobbit being three movies, while LOTR was only three, and that was a much longer story.
But I do not think the Hobbit/bridge trilogy will be too long or drawn out. Moreso that the LOTR was not long enough.
The Fellowship was done well. But The Two Towers and Return of the King should have been three movies minimum.
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redgiraffe
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Jul 30 2012, 8:45pm
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Wasn't there a rumored 6 hour cut of FOTR?
That would mean only 30 minutes out of 3 hours extra were added in to the extended edition. So it's quite possible there can still be some left over.
I'm still hoping for longer than 2 hours though. I'm hoping for 2&1/2 hours minimum for each.
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Jul 30 2012, 8:51pm
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I would have loved to see that six-hour cut
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And imagine that if FOTR, TTT and ROTK were cut in two, at roughly 3-hours each, we all would have been more satisfied with the result. Well, at least I think I would have been...
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dalecooper
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Jul 30 2012, 8:59pm
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I have been thinking along the same lines, and I hope it's the case.
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Three movies at 120-150 minutes each would be fine with me. Much more than that and I think the essential focus and somewhat lighter feel of "The Hobbit" will get lost. It's hard for a 12 hour epic to feel sprightly. 
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eralkfang
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Jul 30 2012, 9:09pm
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I think this is going to be true.
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After all, the announcement has come so late in the process (we're six months away from game day!) that I think Jackson and company are just looking at the footage they have on and realizing that they can compose a trilogy out of it with perhaps a few pick-ups here and there. It's really amazing how much of a film is born in an editing room; for instance, I never really liked Star Wars until I saw the original theatrical cut, where the editing is just a little tighter.
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Erethen23
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Jul 30 2012, 9:51pm
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This would just be very sad. I LOVE the extended editions.
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dormouse
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Jul 30 2012, 10:10pm
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... that this all started with Peter Jackson saying that there was more in the Appendices that he wanted to film and he was talking to the studio about doing additional shooting next year. So however this turns out, whatever the length of the final films, whether they produce EEs or not, there is more unfilmed material which he now has the green light to film and add.
This is what he said:
It’s all very premature. We have got incredible source material with the appendices. The Hobbit is obviously the novel, but we also have the rights to use this 125 pages of additional notes that Tolkien expanded the world of “The Hobbit” that’s published at the end of “Return of the King.” We’ve used some of that so far, just in the last few weeks as we’ve been prepping out the shooting and thinking about the shape of the story. Eventually Philippa [Boyens] and Fran [Walsh] and I have been talking to the studio about other things that we haven’t been able to shoot and seeing if we could possibly persuade them to do a few more weeks of shooting. It’ll be more than a few weeks actually, a bit of shooting, additional shooting next year. What form that will end up taking, the discussions are pretty early so there isn’t anything to report. But certainly there’s other parts of the story that we’d like to tell that we haven’t had a chance to tell yet. So we’re just trying to have those conversations with the studio at the moment. So whatever they have filmed already, there is more to come.
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Hamfast of Gamwich
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Jul 30 2012, 10:10pm
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You'll still get to see all the same material...
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...just over the course of 3 rather than 2 years!
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imin
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Jul 30 2012, 10:11pm
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Will definitely make extended i think
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Way too much money and they are clearly out to make as much as they can so yeah EE fit into that plan.
I preferred most of the things in the EE so i think i would prefer the hobbit EE, though i think LOTR has more material to work with. If the hobbit movies are good then i will, if not then no.
i would be interested in a more streamlined version to see how close they can get to the book and see how that comes across on the screen as it may turn out even though i think its a good idea, it might not be.
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Hamfast of Gamwich
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Jul 30 2012, 10:13pm
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I'm not sure if I believe that or think it's a way of hiding what they'll really do...
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I guess we'll know in December 2014!
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dormouse
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Jul 30 2012, 10:22pm
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As extra shooting will mean actors, film crew, extras too perhaps, sets which will be visible to the sharp-eyed residents of Wellington, and so on, next year, not 2014, it would be a pretty silly lie to tell.
'Sides which, I'm all in favour of believing people simply as a courtesy, unless they've given me good reason not to.
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Jul 30 2012, 10:37pm
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...he's already spoken about wanting, and now doing, at least three extra months of photography next year for some of the extra content that will constitute this third film. Given that this was said at a time when they were wrapping up principal photography and rolling up their sleeves for post production, I strongly suspect that Peter was coming to the realization they had shot more (possibly far more?) content than they could realistically edit into two theatrical releases. I suspect that Peter, Fran and Philippa concluded that by expounding on the the material from the appendices and perhaps shifting parts of it out of the story arc of The Hobbit they could easily produce a third film.
So I guess I'd just say the timing is suspicious to me, and that with the extra filming happening next year (unknown if both units will be shooting) and with what they've shot so far, you are going to be looking at three full length movies. Maybe even with EE content.
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Jul 30 2012, 10:43pm
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3rd film will likely be released in the summer of 2013
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Not December 2014.
So the wait will simply be 2.5 years instead of 2.
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DanielLB
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Jul 30 2012, 10:53pm
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3rd film in 2013? You mean 2014? /
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imin
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Jul 30 2012, 11:02pm
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Yeah he means the summer of 2014 not the winter, its on front page :) //
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Jul 30 2012, 11:06pm
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Yep, probably 3 2-hour films rather than 2 roughly 3-hour films...with an awful lot of padding and...dare I say it...fan-fic. //
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My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!
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DanielLB
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Jul 30 2012, 11:06pm
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Thanks imin. Thought I'd lost it in all this excitement! /
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