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Altaira
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Jul 14 2012, 2:13am
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From the Home Page: Peter Jackson: Hobbit and LoTR books rich in details
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The Los Angeles Times caught up with Peter Jackson for a quick Q & A interview. He told Geoff Boucher about his choice for making two movies and Jackson was "surprised at how rich the world is, and how many interesting themes and characters there are to explore" and by "also using extensive parts of the appendixes, which were published at the end of "Return of the King." This is not just "The Hobbit" - it's "The Hobbit" set in a much greater context of events taking place throughout Middle-earth during this period"
Peter Jackson also added: ". The material is so rich. In fact, only this last week or two, we've been talking to the studio about allowing us to shoot some additional material next year, to fully complete the story." Extended Edition anyone? here's hoping:) [More]
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geordie
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Jul 14 2012, 9:01am
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- in reply to:
Jackson was "surprised at how rich the world is, and how many interesting themes and characters there are to explore" and by "also using extensive parts of the appendixes, which were published at the end of "Return of the King."
I think this revelation was late in coming to pJ - if he'd spent a little more time reading LotR, inc. the appendices, instead of filling his movies with his own made-up nonsense, we might have had a much better series of films as films. IMO.
Sorry if this sounds hard, but the idea of mining the Appendices in order to drag out the story of TH to make it fit into to movies - when pj and co. didn't make better use of the material for LotR - sounds to me as if pJ is trying too hard to win over the Tolkien fans.
Ludicrous, is what it is.
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dormouse
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Jul 14 2012, 11:25am
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.. he hadn't read The Hobbit for a long time, or ever, and didn't appreciate how much is in it until he had to take directing on the film? There are things in the Appendices that could legitimately add depth to a film of The Hobbit - like the history of the dwarves, for example - at least if it's from the Appendices it won't be made up.
And is 'trying too hard to win over the Tolkien fans' really so much worse than not trying at all?
Not getting at you here, truly, just trying to suggest a slightly more positive light in which this might be viewed.
For me, I don't think it's ludicrous. Late in coming, perhaps, although we don't know when the revelation struck. But I would much rather he did realise it, and then turned to Tolkien for further information, than that he didn't - wouldn't you?
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geordie
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Jul 14 2012, 1:27pm
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- in which bit of the Appendices did pJ got the idea for bunny sleds and axe-in-heads?
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dormouse
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Jul 14 2012, 1:41pm
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... that was accidentally missed out in later editions! 
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JWPlatt
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Jul 14 2012, 3:50pm
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"Late in coming, perhaps, although we don't know when the revelation struck."
Right. That could have been twenty years ago or twenty minutes ago. Without knowing, the person making the assumption reveals his bias instead of his objectivity.
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geordie
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Jul 14 2012, 4:13pm
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- we're supposed to be objective now? Since when?
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JWPlatt
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Jul 14 2012, 7:35pm
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Well, it's not in the rules, I think. I'm just talking about the interpretation of what you've read and knowing where the assumptions are and where the facts are as written. Your own subjective tastes may continue to be as wild, unqiue and contentious as you wish.
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Ataahua
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Jul 14 2012, 9:06pm
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what kind of films we would have got if PJ had been allowed to write scripts for three movies right from the start.
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Xanaseb
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Jul 14 2012, 9:53pm
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Otaku-sempai
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Jul 14 2012, 10:26pm
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[I do wonder] what kind of films we would have got if PJ had been allowed to write scripts for three movies right from the start.
I wonder what would have happened if Jackson had gotten to adapt The Hobbit first, as he had intended.
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DanielLB
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Jul 14 2012, 10:28pm
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LOTR would have been a lot different. Would it have been better? Quite possibly 
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guitarzankansasfan
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Jul 15 2012, 5:34am
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If The Hobbit had been adapted first, It would have been one film, shot on film and not digital, in 2D at 24 FPS, It might have starred someone other than Martin Freeman, and chances are there wouldn't have been very much from the LOTR appendices. It would have been released by Miramax in November of 2000 to wide critical acclaim and massive box office numbers, causing a large number of registered voters in Florida to skip the ballot box in favor of watching the film, resulting in Al Gore's election to the White House. In this alternate universe, John Rhys-Davies would not have played Gimli, but instead would have convinced the network to allow him to stay on for additional seasons of "Sliders", including an episode featuring an alternate alternate universe where The Lord of the Rings was adapted first, and professor Arturo meets his double on a movie set dressed as Tom Bombadil...
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geordie
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Jul 15 2012, 6:33am
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- just so long as we've got that sorted out...
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guitarzankansasfan
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Jul 15 2012, 10:16am
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I'm still rooting for a fourth LOTR film with Tom Bombadil
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As for shooting new material, I still think they should pull all 4 of the Fellowship hobbits out of retirement before they get too old and film a standalone short based on the Old Forest-Tom Bombadil-Fog on the Barrow Downs section of LOTR. On a modest budget this could be successful with viral and word of mouth promotion, on limited release and direct to video sales and satisfy people like me who would really like to see Frodo vs. the Barrow Wight on film.
But unfortunately my daydreams are not PJ's.
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DanielLB
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Jul 15 2012, 2:30pm
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can they do Ghan, Quickbeam and Scouring
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Otaku-sempai
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Jul 15 2012, 4:45pm
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'The Hobbit' might have remained one film...
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It would have been much more difficult to convince the studio heads at New Line to allow Jackson to make two films out of The Hobbit if he had not previously adapted LotR. There could still have been nods towards the White Council and the Necromancer, Aragorn's time in Rivendell, and Legolas as the son of the Elvenking, but they would have needed to be subtle and brief. Still, any casting of those parts could have influenced the casting of the LotR films.
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