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Can we compile a clear list of all scenes that were shown?
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MatthewJer18
Rohan

Apr 24 2012, 11:36pm

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Can we compile a clear list of all scenes that were shown? Can't Post

The official thread for CinemaCon is getting somewhat cluttered...Can we have a thread to compile all of the articles that detail specifically what scenes were shown?


DanielLB
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Apr 24 2012, 11:39pm

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To avoid this thread becoming cluttered too with irrelevant information [In reply to] Can't Post

I would wait until Quickbeams TORN tuesday - that way we can get accurate and clear information that hasn't been misconstrued on several media websites already


There&ThereAgain
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Apr 25 2012, 12:28am

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Trolls speak! [In reply to] Can't Post

I want to know what they sound like!

"The world is indeed full of peril, and in it there are many dark places; but still there is much that is fair; and though in all lands love is now mingled with grief, it grows perhaps the greater."-J.R.R. Tolkien

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duats
Grey Havens

Apr 25 2012, 1:18am

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Can someone post Quickbeam's comments from the live chat? [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm afraid I cannot access the chat from the iPad.


Mythopoeia
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Apr 25 2012, 1:31am

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Seconded! [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Silverlode
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Apr 25 2012, 1:38am

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It was delayed - just started. [In reply to] Can't Post

And there were technical difficulties.Quickbeam hasn't said anything major yet.....so if you can, come watch now! http://www.theonering.net/live/

Silverlode

"Of all faces those of our familiares are the ones both most difficult to play fantastic tricks with, and most difficult really to see with fresh attention. They have become like the things which once attracted us by their glitter, or their colour, or their shape, and we laid hands on them, and then locked them in our hoard, acquired them, and acquiring ceased to look at them.
Creative fantasy, because it is mainly trying to do something else [make something new], may open your hoard and let all the locked things fly away like cage-birds. The gems all turn into flowers or flames, and you will be warned that all you had (or knew) was dangerous and potent, not really effectively chained, free and wild; no more yours than they were you."
-On Fairy Stories

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DanielLB
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Apr 25 2012, 2:06am

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Not much we didn't already know [In reply to] Can't Post

The White Council discuss a Morgul blade and the Witck King of Angmar
Bunny sled is in
Galadriel and Gandalf scene works in context - Gandalf says Bilbo gives him courage
Trolls have Cockney accents - Bilbo tries to steal purse
Radagast has bird nest under hat, with birds.


duats
Grey Havens

Apr 25 2012, 2:10am

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Oh boy... [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm really not liking what I'm hearing here.


DanielLB
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Apr 25 2012, 2:12am

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More [In reply to] Can't Post

Radagast and Gandalf talk about catacombs
Radgast has staff, brown/black hat/cloak
Troll scene very similar to book, but burgahobbit instead of burrahobbit
Radagast nothing like Decipher card

QB seems more entusiastic about the 48fps but has also stressed how unfinished a lot of it was


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Carne
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Apr 25 2012, 2:35am

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Burgahobbit [In reply to] Can't Post

I think it is this way so it's easier for the audience to realize that he was about to say Burglar instead of just Bur.


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lurtz2010
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Apr 25 2012, 2:47am

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I like the stuff with Gandalf and the tombs [In reply to] Can't Post

some kind of awakening of the ringwraiths sounds awesome. I can understand all the negative stuff about 48fps but it doesn't bother me because I know the movies will look spectacular overall.


Silverlode
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Apr 25 2012, 3:14am

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I took notes while he talked...Warning: Some movie spoilers! [In reply to] Can't Post

Here is a summary of what he said, as best I could type while he talked. I've rearranged it to try to lump comments about the same topics together.

Quickbeam is going to write an article about it so watch the front page for the official version. Smile
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PJ's intro was mostly about the technical aspects, saying that this change in frame rate is analogous to moving from silent to sound.

Opening shots were helicopter shots, similar to opening of TTT. Gorgeous. Sunrise over Misty Mountains to the fluting strains of Howard Shore music. Followed by a few shots that were seen in the trailer, intros of characters, etc.

Dol Guldur/Thrain - Gandalf is seen wandering through sub-dungeon of Dol Guldur, searching through corridors as if being chased. Thrain crazed, out his mind from torture, jumps out of the dark in a "Boo!" moment and attacks Gandalf. Yes, this is the scene from the trailer. Thrain's face is not closely seen. No other creatures are seen there.

Scenes of Bilbo in the Shire, mostly stuff we've seen in the trailer or vlogs. Martin Freeman as Bilbo is very different from other hobbits. He has a lightness and elan, with a very light comedic touch. Not like slapstick humor of Merry & Pippin. Fresh, funny, approachable, comedic but not too much. Quickbeam was very enthusiastic about his performance.

Saruman/White Council - this was still green screen, no grading or background effects added yet. Elrond, Galadriel, Gandalf are shown sitting with Saruman. Radagast was not present. Galadriel looking at a sword, identifies as a Morgul blade. Everyone is aghast as she tells the history of the blade as she says it is the sword of the Witch-King and he was destroyed long before in battles with the North Kingdom. He was held in a dungeon in the North from which he should not have been able to escape but Galadriel is afraid that this means he has. Saruman is studying it carefully, with maybe a glint in his eye.

Galadriel touching Gandalf's face. The context is Galadriel asking Gandalf why he chose this particular hobbit. Gandalf says, almost to himself, that it is because he sometimes feels a little afraid and Bilbo gives him courage. Galadriel touches his face and tells him not to be afraid, that he always has friends.

Radagast - Gandalf is shown alone in the dark with his staff lit, searching through catacombs where the ringwraith's tombs are...then Radagast appears suddenly. Both put their staffs down the tunnel to see the tombs broken open. Radagast seems rather childlike, like he is more in tune wth animals than people. Radagast's staff is similar to Gandalf's; a knobbly wooden staff. Radagast is "weird and wonderful" looks nothing like the Decipher card. This is a new Radagast is an "unbelievable, crazy, cool, mess", with a bird's nest on his head. Quickbeam loved his appearance and style. Radagast was only shown in the dark, "Moria-style" dungeon which was only lit by Gandalf's staff. It was hard to see costume details but they appeared to be a mixture of black and brown, with a "weird shaped" hat with flaps on it. He has a bird nest on his head under his hat. Was conversing with Gandalf about the crypts/tombs that had once belonged to the Ringwraiths. Radagast also has a staff. The only other shot of Radagast was him flying by in his sled. Radagast has a sled that runs on the forest floor, drawn by larger-than-life (but not giant) grey jackrabbits. Q really liked the sled, thought it was cool.

Mirkwood, the dwarves are shown after their spider sequence, they are covered in spider webs. Don't see much of Mirkwood, what is seen has spider webs everywhere. Tauriel slides into the scene with bow and arrow at the ready. Brown outfit with braided hairdo. Medium brown hair (not blond). Legolas appeared at the end of the scene with Tauriel. AS the dwarves are running covered in webs, they are suddenly confronted by Elves, and Legolas has an arrow pointed at Thorin's nose, saying "I will not hesitate to kill you, dwarf!" setting up for his attitude in LOTR. His costume is the same as LOTR. Tauriel's is similar, but in brown rather than green.

Not shown in the footage - No shot of Thranduil. No Laketown, no Elven halls. No shots of spiders or eagles. No Beorn. No Rhosgobel or Necromancer. No shots of Dale, Lonely Mountain or any hint of Smaug. No shots of goblins. No Bard or Master of Laketown. No hint of Aragorn/Rangers, etc. No shots of the Ring. Not much of the music, it's still be worked on. No dwarf singing, no Elves on horseback, no wargs, no goblins. No dwarf women.

Dwarves - Dwarves look great, with a lot of detail. Some are presented in a comedic way, some serious, all very different and distinct characters. No more dwarf singing. Sounds like mostly what we've already seen in trailer and vlogs except for one brief shot of dwarves in barrels on the river, with some effects tape visible - not a finished scene.

Trolls - They showed about a minute and a half of troll scene. Features some camera shots from above, creating a good sense of perspective with the live actors. Scene begins with a scene of Bilbo suddenly caught by "ginormous" hill trolls. In the troll scene, all the dwarves come runnign to rescue Bilbo. One of the younger ones takes an axe stroke at the legs of one troll, others stab at their feet. The trolls are articulate in speech with heavy Cockney accents. The scene goes similar to the book but not exactly. Wallet is not shown (or heard). "burrahobbit" is in, though we hear a "g" sound in there so it comes out like "burgahobbit". One of the trolls reminded Q a little of "Sloth" from The Goonies, with a slightly misshapen face

Riddle scene - Gollum is a "new vision" because he is now in 48fps. Scene is established with Bilbo begging for a way out of the cave but Gollum wants to play riddles. He identifies himself as Smeagol. Gollum regrets giving his name as Bilbo later regrets giving his. The Riddle scene was shown intercut with action scene with trolls, running with spiderwebs, Bilbo in the Shire. Gollum is mostly being Smeagol because he's trying to interact with another being that isn't a goblin. Bilbo still feels threatened and has Sting out in a defensive way. Sting is not glowing yet (there are no orcs present). Bilbo is wearing the same color jacket in the cave scene as in LOTR - he apparently leaves Rivendell wearing that jacket. - the scene ends with Gollum proposing the "stakes" - Bilbo saying if he wins, Gollum has to show him the way out. Gollum agrees and says that if he wins, "we gets to eats it raw". Bilbo hesitates and then agrees. Gollum comes off as attracted by the idea of talking with a fellow being, but also hungry, so we get a sense of the schizophrenic Seamgol/Gollum divide.

Returning characters - Christopher Lee might look slightly older, but Gandalf and Galadriel look the same. The returning characters look just the same as in LOTR. Legolas appears briefly.

Frame rate/3D - 48fps was crystal-clear and vivid, not like watching film. The images are "very sharp", the depth of field is "amazing". Quickbeam says he doesn't know if it's "too clear", it is very different and it you'll have to acclimate to it. The prosthetics did not look fake. The digital work of the CGI creatures looks even better at the higher frame rate. He says the trolls look fantastic. It will take some getting used to, whether people will like it immediately or not is hard to tell. It looks brighter and more vivid than LOTR footage. If there are complaints about the new framerate "I'm not surprised, welcome to the new frontier." It's a major change that will take adjustment. Fans will have the choice to see it in 2D or 3D -yes, 3D glasses will be needed. Quickbeam wore his comfortably over his usual glasses at this event. There were no scenes of "gimmick" 3D with things coming straight out of the screen, more a sense of depth in the image.

Silverlode

"Of all faces those of our familiares are the ones both most difficult to play fantastic tricks with, and most difficult really to see with fresh attention. They have become like the things which once attracted us by their glitter, or their colour, or their shape, and we laid hands on them, and then locked them in our hoard, acquired them, and acquiring ceased to look at them.
Creative fantasy, because it is mainly trying to do something else [make something new], may open your hoard and let all the locked things fly away like cage-birds. The gems all turn into flowers or flames, and you will be warned that all you had (or knew) was dangerous and potent, not really effectively chained, free and wild; no more yours than they were you."
-On Fairy Stories

(This post was edited by Silverlode on Apr 25 2012, 3:22am)


Ataahua
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Apr 25 2012, 3:26am

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Great coverage, Silverlode! [In reply to] Can't Post

I imagine Radagast's bunny-powered sled is going to worry some people, but Quickbeam's enthusiasm for it is a good sign!

Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauronís master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded b*****d with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.


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Shelob'sAppetite
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Apr 25 2012, 3:28am

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Definitely a good sign [In reply to] Can't Post

Particularly since Quickbeam has been quite a harsh critic of PJ's in the past! Wink


Intergalactic Lawman
Rohan

Apr 25 2012, 3:32am

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Hmmm [In reply to] Can't Post

Gollum a "new vision" doesn't sound good... Does that mean he looks different??


Silverlode
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Apr 25 2012, 3:34am

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No, he meant that [In reply to] Can't Post

the CGI for Gollum looks really good in 3D at 48fps. He wasn't talking about character design, just the effect of CGI in the new framerate. He also raved about how good the trolls looked.

Silverlode

"Of all faces those of our familiares are the ones both most difficult to play fantastic tricks with, and most difficult really to see with fresh attention. They have become like the things which once attracted us by their glitter, or their colour, or their shape, and we laid hands on them, and then locked them in our hoard, acquired them, and acquiring ceased to look at them.
Creative fantasy, because it is mainly trying to do something else [make something new], may open your hoard and let all the locked things fly away like cage-birds. The gems all turn into flowers or flames, and you will be warned that all you had (or knew) was dangerous and potent, not really effectively chained, free and wild; no more yours than they were you."
-On Fairy Stories


VoronwŽ_the_Faithful
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Apr 25 2012, 3:39am

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Big thanks! [In reply to] Can't Post

To both you and Quickbeam!

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Shelob'sAppetite
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Apr 25 2012, 3:59am

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Yup [In reply to] Can't Post

And its good to see it confirmed that Radagast's bunny sled is in the movie!

I was worried they would have found that too ridiculous for the films, like Beorn's tray-wielding dogs and sheep. Smile

Interestingly enough, the bunny sled doesn't bother me much...


duats
Grey Havens

Apr 25 2012, 4:04am

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Radagast just sounds like a mess to me [In reply to] Can't Post

I know, I know. Premature judgment. But a bunny-driven sled? Birds nesting under his hat and pooping all over him?

I'm not particularly a fan of PJ's sense of humor, so I can't help but feel extremely worried about this. I understand making Radagast weird and eccentric (being that he doesn't socialize with humans all that much), but I don't want to character to be a complete farce.


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DarkJackal
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Apr 25 2012, 4:23am

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Recording of QB's broadcast [In reply to] Can't Post

Fantastic summary Silverlode! I recorded almost all of Quickbeam's chat, if anyone wants to re-check any of this info. http://thorinoakenshield.net/...ding-hobbit-footage/


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Silverlode
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Apr 25 2012, 4:26am

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Great! [In reply to] Can't Post

Thanks, DarkJackal! I was typing as fast as I could but I know there's stuff I missed. Smile

You might drop Quickbeam a line and let him know, as apparently they meant to record the chat but didn't.

Silverlode

"Of all faces those of our familiares are the ones both most difficult to play fantastic tricks with, and most difficult really to see with fresh attention. They have become like the things which once attracted us by their glitter, or their colour, or their shape, and we laid hands on them, and then locked them in our hoard, acquired them, and acquiring ceased to look at them.
Creative fantasy, because it is mainly trying to do something else [make something new], may open your hoard and let all the locked things fly away like cage-birds. The gems all turn into flowers or flames, and you will be warned that all you had (or knew) was dangerous and potent, not really effectively chained, free and wild; no more yours than they were you."
-On Fairy Stories


Altaira
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Apr 25 2012, 5:13am

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Awesome post! [In reply to] Can't Post

Thanks again, Silverlode! Now, off to read it again and listen to Dark Jackal's recording! LaughSmile


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Ataahua
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Apr 25 2012, 5:16am

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Poor guy, [In reply to] Can't Post

when he realised he hadn't been recording it after all.

I was impressed that he spoke non-stop for a bit more than an hour. That's dedication to the cause!

Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauronís master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded b*****d with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.


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MarillŽ by the Sea
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Apr 25 2012, 5:37am

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Thank you, Silverlode and DarkJackal! [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm definitely going to be listening to that audio again at work tomorrow Laugh

I was put off by the bunny sled at first, actually groaning when Quickbeam finally confirmed it, but after he went on about it quite enthusiastically, I think I'm warming up to the idea. Not too sure about the bird droppings on his beard though, heh.


Captain Salt
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Apr 25 2012, 5:40am

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Thanks for the transcript and audio, and here's another description from ComingSoon: [In reply to] Can't Post

It opened with lots of sweeping shots of the mountains and landscapes of Middle Earth set to Howard Shore's distinctive score leading into an introduction by the older Bilbo, played by Ian Holm, telling the story of his journey to Frodo, and we see a brief glimpse of Elijah Wood as his "Lord of the Rings" character. This then leads into the opening from the trailer of Gandalf approaching Bilbo to go on a journey with the dwarves. We watched a good section of when Bilbo encounters trolls around the campfire early in his journey and they're trying to decide how to eat him, and as one of the trolls lift Bilbo up, Thorin leaps forward and the rest of the dwarves come forward to save him.

There's also a significant scene where Gandalf is presenting "the Immortal Blade" to a council made up of Christopher Lee's Saruman, Cate Blanchett's Galadriel, and Hugo Weaving's Elrond as they discuss the sword's origins and how Gandalf was able to get it from the crypt of the Witch King where he was buried in a tomb covered with spells preventing it from being opened.


We then see Gandalf going through that same tomb, peering around a corner when a bird flies out and startles him, and standing behind him is a dwarf - one we couldn't identify or remember, thought it was a kindly older dwarf rather than a warrior like Thorin. The birds flying around land on his head as if his hair was a nest and he puts his cap over them. With his staff, Gandalf lights up the way ahead which is a steep stairwell leading straight down.


The scenes of the group walking across the green fields and icy mountains of Middle Earth (i.e. New Zealand) were definitely reminiscent of "Fellowship of the Rings" and we even saw a little bit of Gandalf on his steed and a scene where the dwarves first encounter Orlando Bloom's Legolas.


The highlight though was an extended conversation between Bilbo and Smeagol/Gollum where Bilbo is trying to get directions from the strange creature who seems to be more interested in playing a game of riddles. Andy Serkis' ability to switch Smeagol's schizophrenic personalities still seems to be intact, and from what we saw, Martin Freeman seems absolutely perfect as Bilbo and we think audiences will like him as much as they did the Hobbits in the "Lord of the Rings" movies.

http://www.comingsoon.net/...connews.php?id=89583

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, with axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!

(This post was edited by Captain Salt on Apr 25 2012, 5:41am)

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