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Gollum and Riddles in the dark
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Sinister71
Dor-Lomin


Apr 16 2012, 7:42pm

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he is shown [In reply to] Can't Post

ALOT in TTT and ROTK... but for continuities sake they need to keep Gollum in the shadows. The films are not about Gollum and he is merely a minor player in this leg of Bilbo's journey thru middle earth. Gollum gets to shine in LOTR, there is no need for him to shine here any artist who looks at the big picture would understand that there is a progression in the character thru the whole of all 5 films and not just a drastic step backwards from the hobbit films to the introduction of Gollum in FOTR in the dark of the tunnels in Moria. That is the Gollum that needs to be seen, the sneaky in the shadows Gollum of FOTR and not the Gollum from TTT or ROTK


Shelob'sAppetite
Doriath

Apr 17 2012, 3:45am

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Shouldn't be puzzling [In reply to] Can't Post

My view is that CGI, no matter how advanced, looks far more realistic in extreme lighting conditions (either very dark, or very bright). Such lighting obscures the more obvious imperfections of a CGI creature.

Lastly, I don't doubt you are right about what PJ and company will ultimately do, given their track record (and the scenes of Gollum in TH we have caught glimpses of thus far). My point is simply that the scene would be more effective if done differently to what PJ normally does.


Shelob'sAppetite
Doriath

Apr 17 2012, 3:48am

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I'm with you [In reply to] Can't Post

I am, of course, realistic about the fact that you simply can't shoot in the pitch dark.

My point is simply that PJ and Lesnie should consider toning down their lighting choices for night scenes. I appreciate the difficulty of filming black riders at night, but I believe there were other solutions beyond glaring stadium lights...

When Lesnie is good, he's very good. But when he's bad, he's bad, IMO. This seems to be quite a commonly-held opinion on some of the cinematography sites I frequent (it is an amateur interest of mine).

But in the end, it's all a matter of personal taste...


Voronwë_the_Faithful
Doriath

Apr 17 2012, 8:37pm

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I'm not sure you will be quite as disappointed as you fear [In reply to] Can't Post

It is, after all, Riddles in the Dark. I doubt that they will completely eliminate that element.

'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'

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Lacrimae Rerum
Hithlum

Apr 19 2012, 9:29pm

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My puzzlement wasn't with [In reply to] Can't Post

The view you express here but with your shift. Originally you presented two options, describing one as better than the other. Here you say the two options are the same (I.e. obscured by shadow is better than seeing the technological improvements shifts to obscured by shadow is a great way to see the technological improvements).

As for more effective it rather depends what you mean. More effective in reflecting your imagination - certainly. More effective as card to me played in creating a commercial success - the precedent may lie into the opposite direction.

LR

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