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Captain Salt
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Dec 13 2011, 4:44pm
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but saying that the book will be ruined by the cover isn't fair to the author, since that's the domain of the illustrator or graphic artist. Hence, the comments against William Kirchir, or definitively saying that the sight gag will ruin every shot Bifur is in, simply isn't substantiated (none of us having seen the movie)!
But look at it this way: Bifur's head ornament will probably be a nice distraction from the Kili/Tauriel/Beorn/Necromancer love rhombus! 
My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, with axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!
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Darkstone
Elvenhome
Dec 13 2011, 4:48pm
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...a lot of paperbacks were ruined for me because the skimpily clad female on the cover never appeared in the text.
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Brother will fight brother and both be his slayer,
brother and sister will violate all bonds of kinship;
hard it will be in the world, there will be much failure of honor,
an age of axes, an age of swords, where shields are shattered,
an age of winds, an age of wolves, where the world comes crashing down;
no man will spare another.
-From the Völuspá, 13th Century
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Captain Salt
Dor-Lomin
Dec 13 2011, 4:50pm
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I hope none of my comments are interrupted that way, I'm just trying to point out that we don't know enough to make definitive statements about Willaim Kircher's performance and the character of Bifur in the film - so although obviously we're all free to form our own opinions, it's just to early to say one way or the other how this will play out on film. In short "I'm worried" is not the same as "this is already definitely horrible, and the filmmakers should change it, ETC". 
My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, with axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!
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Captain Salt
Dor-Lomin
Dec 13 2011, 4:52pm
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if BIFUR were scantily clad, I'd be heavily alarmed and sign the petition several times over! 
My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, with axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
Doriath
Dec 13 2011, 4:56pm
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Please don't put words in my mouth
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I have never once said or suggested that my sensibility is better than any else's, or that my opinion makes me smarter than anyone else. You can say whatever you want to, so long as you don't put words in my mouth. That's the one thing that I won't except. You can say that I'm an idiot if you want to, but don't say that I have called you an idiot, because I haven't.
'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'
www.arda-reconstructed.com
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Darkstone
Elvenhome
Dec 13 2011, 4:57pm
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...we've all read Tolkien so I really wouldn't call any of us stupid, except that old country boy who dun gradgiated from South Oak Cliff High School, but hey, when it's most famous alumni is Dennis Rodman what can you expect?
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Brother will fight brother and both be his slayer,
brother and sister will violate all bonds of kinship;
hard it will be in the world, there will be much failure of honor,
an age of axes, an age of swords, where shields are shattered,
an age of winds, an age of wolves, where the world comes crashing down;
no man will spare another.
-From the Völuspá, 13th Century
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RosieLass
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Dec 13 2011, 4:57pm
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I prefer to let people try on their own shoes and see if they fit. 
Regarding Kircher's performance, I'm sure it will be fine. I think people's point, however, is they're afraid that thing in his head is going to be such a distraction that every time they see it, they'll be pulled out of their immersion in the film.
It happened to me in LOTR every time they showed a close up of the hobbits nasty, pubic hair feet. Which, thank goodness, happened only a handful of times. A tiny detail, but a distraction all the same.
It is always those with the fewest sensible things to say who make the loudest noise in saying them. --Precious Ramotswe (Alexander McCall Smith)
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RosieLass
Doriath
Dec 13 2011, 4:59pm
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I think he's calling himself a country bumpkin.
It is always those with the fewest sensible things to say who make the loudest noise in saying them. --Precious Ramotswe (Alexander McCall Smith)
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Darkstone
Elvenhome
Dec 13 2011, 5:05pm
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Merely acknowledging your question ("You really can't see a difference?") in the affirmative.
I do make the assumption that you *can* see a difference. If that assumption is not correct then I do most humbly apologize.
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Brother will fight brother and both be his slayer,
brother and sister will violate all bonds of kinship;
hard it will be in the world, there will be much failure of honor,
an age of axes, an age of swords, where shields are shattered,
an age of winds, an age of wolves, where the world comes crashing down;
no man will spare another.
-From the Völuspá, 13th Century
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Aragorn the Elfstone
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Dec 13 2011, 5:10pm
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This whole thing is like a train wreck. I just...can't...look away... :( //
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"All men dream; but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds awake to find that it was vanity; But the dreamers of day are dangerous men. That they may act their dreams with open eyes to make it possible."
- T.E. Lawrence
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Macfeast
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Dec 13 2011, 5:13pm
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Before the hypothetical "if William Kircher were reading this" popped up last page, I don't recall having seen anyone actually say anything bad about William. Even the part about it ruining every shot he is in is not about William, but rather the directors for putting him in the shot.
As you say though, since the character design is outside of his domain, it would be unfair to criticize him for it, no disagreement there. Likewise, criticism of his character's design is not an insult to him, since the character design is outside of his domain.
All he can do is play the character to the best of his abilities (which I do not doubt he will do), and that is all we can judge him on. We judge the book (how well William play Bifur) for itself, and the cover (his character design) for itself.
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Darkstone
Elvenhome
Dec 13 2011, 5:14pm
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I'm in awe of all the intellectual Brobdingnagians on the boards. Sometimes I have to really work to avoid being squished underfoot.
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Brother will fight brother and both be his slayer,
brother and sister will violate all bonds of kinship;
hard it will be in the world, there will be much failure of honor,
an age of axes, an age of swords, where shields are shattered,
an age of winds, an age of wolves, where the world comes crashing down;
no man will spare another.
-From the Völuspá, 13th Century
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Darkstone
Elvenhome
Dec 13 2011, 5:18pm
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Then you'd better start signing
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"Then they took off their clothes and bathed in the river, which was shallow and clear and stony at the ford. When they had dried in the sun, which was now strong and warm, they were refreshed, if still sore and a little hungry."
- The Hobbit, Chapter 7, Queer Lodgings
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Brother will fight brother and both be his slayer,
brother and sister will violate all bonds of kinship;
hard it will be in the world, there will be much failure of honor,
an age of axes, an age of swords, where shields are shattered,
an age of winds, an age of wolves, where the world comes crashing down;
no man will spare another.
-From the Völuspá, 13th Century
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IDLookout
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Dec 13 2011, 5:20pm
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It just looks cheesy in my opinion. Kind of like the silly wilhelm scream will make the movie silly when PJ undoubtedly puts it in. I just CAN'T picture Tolkien saying "Hmmmm. let's have an axe head sticking out of one of the dwarves skulls for the whole story... Yeah, that's the ticket!"
:-)
Bilbo, Bilbo! Bilbo Baggins,
He's only three feet tall.
Bilbo, Bilbo! Bilbo Baggins,
The bravest little hobbit of them all.
-Leonard Nimoy
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Darkstone
Elvenhome
Dec 13 2011, 5:24pm
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"Chugga-chugga-chugga-chugga! Chugga-chugga-chugga-chugga! CHOO-CHOO!!!!"
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It's going to be sooo sad when this drops off the front page. :(
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Brother will fight brother and both be his slayer,
brother and sister will violate all bonds of kinship;
hard it will be in the world, there will be much failure of honor,
an age of axes, an age of swords, where shields are shattered,
an age of winds, an age of wolves, where the world comes crashing down;
no man will spare another.
-From the Völuspá, 13th Century
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Captain Salt
Dor-Lomin
Dec 13 2011, 5:29pm
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previous comments such as "No close-ups of William Kirchir!"several pages back, and more recently "Even if he were Lawrence Olivier, he'd still be hobbled by the axe in his head".
BTW, how do we know Lawrence Olivier didn't have an axe in his head?
But you're correct, it's been mostly focused on the make-up design, but seeing as we haven't seen the character in action (let's at least wait for the teaser), IMO, it's too soon to declare him distracting in the context of the film (where they will be much more going on).
My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, with axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!
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Darkstone
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Dec 13 2011, 5:36pm
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That indeed was a worry of his.
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"Up from my cabin,
My sea-gown scarf'd about me, in the dark
Groped I to find out them; had my desire.
Finger'd their packet, and in fine withdrew
To mine own room again; making so bold,
My fears forgetting manners, to unseal
Their grand commission; where I found, Horatio,--
O royal knavery!--an exact command,
Larded with many several sorts of reasons
Importing Denmark's health and England's too,
With, ho! such bugs and goblins in my life,
That, on the supervise, no leisure bated,
No, not to stay the grinding of the axe,
My head should be struck off."
-Hamlet, Act V, Scene II.
(This was right after Hamlet's scene with Clown 1 and Clown 2. Ah, the stately dignity of Shakespeare!!)
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Brother will fight brother and both be his slayer,
brother and sister will violate all bonds of kinship;
hard it will be in the world, there will be much failure of honor,
an age of axes, an age of swords, where shields are shattered,
an age of winds, an age of wolves, where the world comes crashing down;
no man will spare another.
-From the Völuspá, 13th Century
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Macfeast
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Dec 13 2011, 5:41pm
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But neither of those comments are criticism of William.
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The first comment is about the directors, for putting him (as Bifur) in the shot, and how the characer design (not the acting) could potentially ruin a shot. The second comment is about the character design potentially hindering his performance. None of it is criticism of William.
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Faenoriel
Dor-Lomin
Dec 13 2011, 5:55pm
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You surely managed to make people aware of the subject...
<3 Gandy, Raddy, Sharkey, Ally & Pally <3
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Captain Salt
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Dec 13 2011, 6:01pm
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not giving Kircher any close-ups, whatever the reason, would ultimately be damaging to the actor more than anyone else; and the later comment, again, was unfounded (as we haven't seen any of his performance as Bifur, save for 1 second of his acting somewhat perturbed during the unexpected party, which wasn't as wierd as pouring wine down somebody's ear trumpet or "taking your first and doing THAT", IMO).
My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, with axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!
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Captain Salt
Dor-Lomin
Dec 13 2011, 6:04pm
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discussed it more than about the last 50 topics. For some reason...
My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, with axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!
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Xanaseb
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Dec 13 2011, 6:38pm
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*Whoops* sorry for that ;) Good to renew the flames though lol.....
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I caused quite a stir....
Great debate going on though!
I think that the anti-PJ humour people might also have something to say, because this axe in the head might to them seem as a bit of a PJ-esque gimic!
just to play devil's advocate
:)
The Five Isari:
Sarry, Gandy, Raddy, Ally and Pally
A great bunch :)
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Xanaseb
Dor-Lomin
Dec 13 2011, 6:42pm
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quoting Shakespeare, darn that's good
:)
The Five Isari:
Sarry, Gandy, Raddy, Ally and Pally
A great bunch :)
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