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Stephen Fry spoke to PJ about Tolkien on ´Planet Word´

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Oct 23 2011, 10:02pm

Post #1 of 24 (2836 views)
Stephen Fry spoke to PJ about Tolkien on ´Planet Word´ Can't Post

In the last episode of Stephen Fry´s ´Planet Word´, Stephen Fry(master of Laketown) and PJ spoke about Tolkien while sitting on the set of Bag-end.
It was quite interesting. I don't know if you can watch it online. The program was on BBC2.


Oct 23 2011, 10:37pm

Post #2 of 24 (1549 views)
Typical, I was going to watch this earlier and decided not to! [In reply to] Can't Post

Thanks for the heads-up. Awesome to have Fry confirmed as a Tolkien fan.

maverickprince 5
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Oct 23 2011, 10:45pm

Post #3 of 24 (1609 views)
bbc i player [In reply to] Can't Post

its on the bbc i player, the whole thing is very interesting but the tolkien related stuff starts after the 19 minute mark;


(This post was edited by maverickprince 5 on Oct 23 2011, 10:52pm)

Tol Eressea

Oct 24 2011, 2:48am

Post #4 of 24 (1536 views)
What did they say? [In reply to] Can't Post

I can't watch BBC. :(


Oct 24 2011, 6:04am

Post #5 of 24 (1463 views)
i can watch it from outside UK [In reply to] Can't Post

try using the program Tunnelbear...
awesome stuff,

The videoblog is never late. Nor is it early.
It arrives precisely when it means to.


Oct 24 2011, 9:43am

Post #6 of 24 (1379 views)
Thanks for the heads up [In reply to] Can't Post

I agree with PJ that I enjoy Tolkien's works because the languages feel real. I've tried reading other sci-fi/fantasy books and it's never quite as appealing to me because nothing sounds right (when PJ joked about Middle-earth's languages not being 'goobledegook from the planet Zom' he may well have been talking about my experience with Dune).


Oct 24 2011, 10:28am

Post #7 of 24 (2953 views)
My attempted transcript... [In reply to] Can't Post

(I'm not great at transcipts... but I'll give it a go just for you Faenoriel. Hope it's legible. Evil )

Stephen Fry [narration]: The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings trilogy are the second and third best-selling novels of all time. Just after Dickens' Tale of Two Cities.

New Zealand-based director Peter Jackson has devoted many years to bringing J.R.R Tolkien's books to the screen. And for him Tolkien's abmixture of Norse, Middle-English and Anglo-Saxon is one key to the enduring success of both the books and the films.

"Roads go ever ever on,
Under cloud and under star.
Yet feet that wandering have gone
Return at last to home afar.
Eyes that fire and sword have seen,
And horror in the halls of stone
Look at last on meadows green,
And trees and hills they long have known".

Stephen Fry: I wonder how much you felt - because you adapt these - how much the language matters to Tolkien. Because I happen to think he's an extremely good writer of English. I mean, just at a level of the sentence that you, you really can't improve much, can you?

Peter Jackson Well, it was one of the decisions that we made when we were adapting Lord of the Rings is that we tried to work as much of his language into the script as we could. I just think that one of the beauties of the book of Lord of the Rings, and I actually think that it ultimately worked in the movie too, is that they're talking in a language that is beautiful and poetic. And even though it's not one that we're used to hearing on the street, you understand it. And it becomes accessible in a funny kind of a way.

What Tolkien did great with his stories, especially in his use of language, is that he treated them as historical, you know. And I think that that's the way that we found - that was the door that we entered when we went into the movies. That this isn't made up, it's not a piece of gobbledy-gook set on the planet Zog or some such thing! I mean, every name, every place name, every plant name that Tolkien wrote about, he based in some form of a language. It was a language sometimes that he created himself, it was an archaic, old, Middle-English form of language.

Stephen Fry: Like, sort of, Oakenshield. Or something like that?

Peter Jackson: Yeah, everything meant something. Everything actually had a reality and it was almost like he did, literally, create it - create history.

Stephen Fry [narration]: What I also admire about Tolkien is that, like Joyce, his protagonists are reluctant heroes, grounded in a reality. No matter how fantastical the world they inhabit.

Peter Jackson: But, for Tolkien, the real heroes, the true heroes were the simple and decent folk. I think that what Tolkien is saying, ultimately, is to be a real hero - if you're good, if you're decent, if you are prepared to offer yourself up to protect your fellow friend. And you have to wonder how much of that came from his experiences in the trenches and World-War 1.

Stephen Fry [narration]: Jackson is also known as a Schlock-Horror director, where plot is all. And I wonder if, like me, he shares my unabashed love for the master of the genre, Stephen King.

Stephen Fry: As you say, I think he's one of the greatest story-tellers of our time - of any time, really. Partly because he's so obsessed with story-telling.

Peter Jackson: The thing about Stephen King which I think is fantastic, is that I don't think he ever invents a character. Every single character that he writes about (and these are good and bad. They're sane and they're insane) are an element of him. That he's not afraid to dig into the dark depths of his worst imagination and create a character out of that. So he literally mines what he considers to be the most evil part of himself and he creates an absolute psychopath, but you know it's coming from a real place. Whereas, you get somebody who says 'Now, I'm going to write the most evil psychopath in the world' and they kind of make stuff up. And you read it and it might be horrifying but you're not really connecting with it, because you don't recognise any of it.

Stephen King Yeah, I agree.

(This post was edited by QuackingTroll on Oct 24 2011, 10:33am)


Oct 24 2011, 11:51am

Post #8 of 24 (1350 views)
Great work! [In reply to] Can't Post

But should the last 'Stephen King: Yeah I agree' be Stephen Fry instead?
Well done for taking the time and effort to write that! More patience than me!



Oct 24 2011, 12:55pm

Post #9 of 24 (1347 views)
Bahaha, yes it should, sorry! // [In reply to] Can't Post


Tol Eressea

Oct 24 2011, 1:20pm

Post #10 of 24 (1333 views)
Thank you! [In reply to] Can't Post

I love how they praise Tolkien's use of English language. I'm so tired of people bashing Tolkien for purple prose. His English is fabulous (at least it seems such for this non-native speaker), and yes, I absolutely adore they way the characters speak. The use of words and structures is so well thought out, so precise, so efficent, and yet so elegant...

Tol Eressea

Oct 24 2011, 1:29pm

Post #11 of 24 (1291 views)
Absolutely [In reply to] Can't Post

Sometimes, for things to appear real, they have to be real. Languages and cultures are such. We're so fundamentaly familiar with how human societies work and communicate we can't be fooled easily, if at all.

I also agree with what they said about King's method of creating characters. I don't believe in constructing characters artifically. They must be found, either from your memories or the imaginations your brain has made of those memories, and then you must explore them and get to know them.

Tol Eressea

Oct 24 2011, 1:42pm

Post #12 of 24 (1308 views)
Faenoriel, you aren't a native speaker!? Your English is superb, better than mine! :) [In reply to] Can't Post


The Blue Wizards = Enigma = Great topic for Fan Fiction

video blog please

Tol Eressea

Oct 24 2011, 2:12pm

Post #13 of 24 (1259 views)
Really? Thank you! [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm a native Finnish speaker. Maybe I fooled you for a moment, but in the long run I'm bound to make a mistake eventually.

Tol Eressea

Oct 24 2011, 2:58pm

Post #14 of 24 (1273 views)
No YouTube links yet? [In reply to] Can't Post



Oct 24 2011, 7:34pm

Post #15 of 24 (1251 views)
Hobbit painting [In reply to] Can't Post

What painting is it featured at 21:37?I've never seen it before.


Oct 24 2011, 9:38pm

Post #16 of 24 (1186 views)
Here you go [In reply to] Can't Post


'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'


Tol Eressea

Oct 24 2011, 10:00pm

Post #17 of 24 (1193 views)
I'm glad you asked that question [In reply to] Can't Post

- it's from the copy of The Hobbit which we see at the beginning of the clip - the latest printing of Alan Lee's illustrated edition. It's on the back of the dustwrapper. The copyright date for the dustwrapper is 2009; so it's quite recent.

The scene is Bilbo meeting up with Thorin & co. at the Green Dragon, just on the stroke of eleven. Bilbo can be seen standing at the left of the picture, talking to a dwarf in a red cloak and hood, presumably Balin.

(This post was edited by geordie on Oct 24 2011, 10:01pm)


Oct 24 2011, 11:04pm

Post #18 of 24 (1126 views)
thanks! [In reply to] Can't Post

exciting to see the hobbiton set.

Hobbit firster, Book firster.


Oct 25 2011, 9:41am

Post #19 of 24 (1127 views)
A fantastic series! [In reply to] Can't Post

This is a very interesting series and is really well made!
All the programs are still available on the BBC's iplayer. Though the first episode is only showing until October the 30th!
There are ways of watching things that are limited to certain country's! for example...


or, wait and see if it comes out on dvd! Smile

New Zealand,
Home to the Lord of the Rings and Hobbit Movies...


Oct 25 2011, 2:00pm

Post #20 of 24 (1092 views)
Nice [In reply to] Can't Post

Great video. A real treat, too, to see Joyce, Tolkien, and Stephen King praised together...got a real kick of Peter Jackson the "literary character." Though he deserves it...is that how he looks now? Wow, barely into the real shoot and already he looks exhausted. And the weight gain, lol...just as an aside: I wonder if it's chronic sleep deprivation that's making him gain the weight back? Isn't there some scientific reason for this?

And yes, it is always a treat to see Tolkien given the respect he deserves, and the films thrown in, too. All the efforts of all the naysayers in the world havew not succeeded: Tolkien has rightfully taken his place in the Pantheon. None of these writers is "greater" than the other...they are all Great in their own way. Or as Dylan would have put it: "Businessmen dig Tolkien's wine, plowmen dig Joyce's earth." Smile


Oct 25 2011, 10:47pm

Post #21 of 24 (1021 views)
I would absolutely love for PJ to direct a Stephen King adaptation [In reply to] Can't Post

david yates seems to be out of the stand picture they were talking to ben affleck but he just accpeted this other thing a stand trology directed by PJ would be EPIC!!!!!!!! Can WB wait til after the hobbit is done!? IF PJ DIRECTS IT WIL L BE WORTH IT

(This post was edited by Ataahua on Oct 25 2011, 11:05pm)


Oct 26 2011, 11:10am

Post #22 of 24 (951 views)
I was a bit surprised.. [In reply to] Can't Post

Oscar Wilde didn't get a mention. I know Stephen Fry is a fan. He's often talked about him and has written books about him!

New Zealand,
Home to the Lord of the Rings and Hobbit Movies...

Tol Eressea

Oct 27 2011, 3:36pm

Post #23 of 24 (938 views)
No thanks [In reply to] Can't Post

First, PJ already has The Adventures of Tintin: Prisoners of the Sun lined up for next year. Not only would WB have to wait for him to finish The Hobbit – they'd have to wait for him to finish that one, too. Even if he decided to go back on his deal with Spielberg, I doubt he'd want to move from one epic fantasy duology to another epic fantasy trilogy, if only because of simple fatigue. There's also the matter that The Stand is a distinctly American story, and takes place in precisely-identified, real-world American locations from start to finish – that means no New Zealand.

I still hope that Ben Affleck ends up making it. His big break as a director is overdue, and I know he could pull it off – much like The Stand, his own two films have been highly character-driven.

Grey Havens

Oct 27 2011, 5:35pm

Post #24 of 24 (948 views)
I'm also waiting for PJ and David Frost's The Dam Busters remake [In reply to] Can't Post

And a third Tintin movie... (After the one you, Flagg, mentioned)
So I guess PJ have enough films to think about in the coming years to start thinking beyond that ;)

(This post was edited by painjoiker on Oct 27 2011, 5:38pm)


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