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Glaurung VS Gothmog?
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esheming
Bree

Jul 17 2011, 1:37am

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Glaurung VS Gothmog? Can't Post

Gothmog the balrog, not the orc of course. I'm guessing Glaurung but not basing it on any real "knowledge"!

Glaurung: hypnotizing gaze, large appetite, poisonous blood, likes to trick siblings into marrying eachother

Gothmog: black axe, fiery whip, lord of balrogs, (can possibly morph into slime balrog in water)


Gimli'sBox
Gondor


Jul 17 2011, 4:39am

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On one angle it's difficult because both are fire beings in a sense. But, [In reply to] Can't Post

I think I'm going to go with Glaurung.

Some who have read the book, or at any rate have reviewed it, have found it boring, absurd, or contemptible; and I have no cause to complain, since I have similar opinions of their works, or of the kinds of writing they evidently prefer.

That was just a bit of fun really. -Loki, Thor


Faenoriel
Tol Eressea


Jul 18 2011, 4:22am

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Gothmog, because he can fly. [In reply to] Can't Post

Sorry, I just had to.


Honestly, I'd go with Glaurung. If everything else fails, he can still outwit Gothmog or hypnotize him.

Plus, I think we should have buried Tolkien in a larger coffin, he probably cant turn very well in his. -Rossmonster


Gimli'sBox
Gondor


Jul 18 2011, 4:26am

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Can't Glaurung fly too?// [In reply to] Can't Post

 

Some who have read the book, or at any rate have reviewed it, have found it boring, absurd, or contemptible; and I have no cause to complain, since I have similar opinions of their works, or of the kinds of writing they evidently prefer.

That was just a bit of fun really. -Loki, Thor


Faenoriel
Tol Eressea


Jul 18 2011, 4:31am

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No, he is unwinged. [In reply to] Can't Post

That's what got him killed. He had to crawl over the canyon where Turin was hiding, and thus Turin got to stab his vulnerable underbelly.

Plus, I think we should have buried Tolkien in a larger coffin, he probably cant turn very well in his. -Rossmonster


Gimli'sBox
Gondor


Jul 18 2011, 5:09am

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Good to know. I need to re-read the Sil. Probably going to do that after I finish ROTK. Thanks:)// [In reply to] Can't Post

 

Some who have read the book, or at any rate have reviewed it, have found it boring, absurd, or contemptible; and I have no cause to complain, since I have similar opinions of their works, or of the kinds of writing they evidently prefer.

That was just a bit of fun really. -Loki, Thor


esheming
Bree

Jul 18 2011, 1:27pm

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Barogs dong have wings!!! [In reply to] Can't Post

Sorry, I had to back!

Wings or not, I'd like to see a hypnotized balrog!


esheming
Bree

Jul 18 2011, 1:30pm

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Have you read Children Of Hurin? [In reply to] Can't Post

Glaurung's crawling all over that book. It has that Silmarillion feel, really beautiful.


Mad Hatter of Middle-Earth
Lorien


Jul 18 2011, 2:26pm

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Gothmog the Balrog [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm going to with a balrog over a dragon.

All you have to decide is what to do with the time that has been given to you...


esheming
Bree

Jul 18 2011, 3:04pm

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Meant "Balrogs DON'T have wings"... [In reply to] Can't Post

How it the world did I mistype that!?


Gimli'sBox
Gondor


Jul 18 2011, 6:14pm

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I have and I really liked it a ton. It slipped my mind or I didn't catch the [In reply to] Can't Post

fact that he didn't have wings. Now that I think about it I remember that he was called a great worm. I've only read the Sil and CoH once because I just became a fan of LOTR last May. I'm planning on reading both soon.

Some who have read the book, or at any rate have reviewed it, have found it boring, absurd, or contemptible; and I have no cause to complain, since I have similar opinions of their works, or of the kinds of writing they evidently prefer.

That was just a bit of fun really. -Loki, Thor


Faenoriel
Tol Eressea


Jul 18 2011, 7:17pm

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Only since May? [In reply to] Can't Post

Hmm, I remembered an ideo for a poll I had some time ago... thanks for remainding me!

Plus, I think we should have buried Tolkien in a larger coffin, he probably cant turn very well in his. -Rossmonster


Gimli'sBox
Gondor


Jul 18 2011, 7:20pm

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Glad I could help:-P// [In reply to] Can't Post

 

Some who have read the book, or at any rate have reviewed it, have found it boring, absurd, or contemptible; and I have no cause to complain, since I have similar opinions of their works, or of the kinds of writing they evidently prefer.

That was just a bit of fun really. -Loki, Thor


TheNazgul
Rivendell


Jul 24 2011, 12:06am

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Gothmog! [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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aranelthehobbit22
Gondor


Jul 24 2011, 5:15am

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haha I love your description! [In reply to] Can't Post

"likes to trick siblings into marrying eachother"!

Hard to say though....I dunno....Balrogs are large and firey but I love Glaurung....


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Turin Turambar
The Shire

Jul 25 2011, 11:27pm

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Gothmog would win. [In reply to] Can't Post

Glaurung is a fire being, yet in this match fire will not make the difference, the deciding factor is the weapons that Gothmog can weild. For a regular balrog (such as the one in the fellowship) can weild a sword, then just think of what a Balrog commander could weild. I doubt that the claws or teeth of Glaurung could withstand a gigantic flaming swordsman.


Bjorn
Bree

Jul 29 2011, 4:07am

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The balrog king [In reply to] Can't Post

Glaurug was killed by a man, he was a slow moving huge snake. Gothmog was the greatest commander under Morgoth and lead armies of dragons and other balrogs into battles against the elves.

Gothmog probably lead Glaurug too, I think there is a reason he was the leader and not glaurug. Gothmog was slain by an elf lord and Glaurug by a human.

It looks like Gothmog was the stronger one...Tolkien also refers to Gothmog as the son of morgoth...


(This post was edited by Bjorn on Jul 29 2011, 4:09am)


Phibbus
Rohan


Jul 30 2011, 4:09pm

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I think... [In reply to] Can't Post

Gothmog would scratch Glaurung's ears and tummy, and Glaurung would wag his tail and lick Gothmog's face. It's a tie.

Man is but an ass if he go about to expound this dream.


Tolkien Forever
Gondor

Aug 2 2011, 9:30pm

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Sword? Huh? [In reply to] Can't Post

Gothmog didn't wield a sword, but a black axe. I suppose it was black from being burned, lol.

Wink

I have no idea who would win, but Gothmog was 'High Captain' of Angband', meaning, I assume, that he lead it's armies into battle. The interesting thing to note, though, is as of The battle of Sudden Flame, when Glaurung became fully mature, HE seems to be the one that is at the forefront of each of Morgoth's battles from that point on: the 4th battle; versus Maedhros' forces in the 5th battle; Wiping up West Beleriand & taking out both Nargothrond & Bethril; Also, in the forefront of the sacking of Gondolin.

So, it would appear Morgoth saw Glaurung as a mightier 'weapon' in battle than even the Lord of the Balrogs.

I guess that shows who Tolkien (through Morgoth) thought was mightier: Glaurung.

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Turin Turambar
The Shire

Aug 9 2011, 6:49am

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True, yet... [In reply to] Can't Post

A black axe is not much different than a sword. Though Glaurung did indeed have a far larger influence on Morgoths assaults, I do not think that the flame of Glaurung can kill a creature made of fire. Thus making the black axe of Gothmog the deciding key tool to the victory of Gothmog.


Ruxendil_Thoorg
Grey Havens

Aug 12 2011, 5:21pm

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AVP [In reply to] Can't Post

Glaurung the wingless dragon v Gothmog the Balrog reminds me of Aliens versus Predator.

"That doesn't make much sense to me. But then again, you are quite small. Perhaps you're right."


esheming
Bree

Aug 13 2011, 2:32am

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I believe that Glaurung was a captain of armies as well... [In reply to] Can't Post

...and he does have the gaze that causes a forgetting trance... I'm sticking with Glaurung as well...


Xanaseb
Tol Eressea


Sep 4 2011, 3:24pm

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I would have to say Gothmog.... [In reply to] Can't Post

......although we dont know much about him, the fact that he was Lord of Balrogs is enough for me to say that he would slay Glaurung if not with ease, then with slight effort. He was a bad-ass mighty Maia, who slew lots of figures.

Though now I think about it.........was Glaurung a Maia as well??? If he wasnt a Maia, then who the hell was he??

"But the other two Istari were sent for a different purpose. Morinethar's and Rómestámo's task was to circumvent Sauron, to bring help to the few tribes of Men that had rebelled from Melkor-worship, to stir up rebellion and after his first fall to search out his hiding and to cause dissension and disarray among the dark East. They must have had very great influence on the history of the Second age and Third age in weakening and disarraying the forces of East who would both in the Second age and Third age otherwise have outnumbered the West."


Barahir'sRing
Registered User

Sep 12 2011, 12:47am

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Gothmog for sure [In reply to] Can't Post

No contest at all here Gothmog easily wins. He's a Maia and Lord of the Balrogs. Glaurung however powerful is just a Dragon, a powerful one for sure but just a Dragon and after all the great Dragons were all slain by men.


ltnjmy
Rivendell


Dec 8 2011, 9:52pm

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Reply - Glaurung v Gothmog [In reply to] Can't Post

I would say Gothmog because he was a corrupted Maia but I always wondered when Prof. Tolkien described Glaurung as being embodied with a fell spirit or something like that if he was leaning toward having Glaurung being embodied by a corrupted Maia as well. Anyhow - since Gothomog was a corrupted divine spirit - it would have to be him rather than the "father of dragons," Glaurung. Great thread & postings !Smile

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