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Fili and Kili
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mutelock
Bree

Jul 12 2011, 7:10pm

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Hobbits use them... [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Bound
Rohan


Jul 12 2011, 7:11pm

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Kili just looks silly. I mean I guess dwarfs have to grow their beards but he looks plain silly, and his head looks wrong for the body !!

Fili is fine...

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RosieLass
Valinor


Jul 12 2011, 7:12pm

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Someone transported tribbles into the storage bay. [In reply to] Can't Post

Serious answer, though, is that there isn't any particular reason, is there, why all dwarves have to look the same. Oin and Gloin do have a similar look to Gimli.

And perhaps, since this movie will have so many more dwarves, they decided to go minimalist with the prosthetics and the other time-consuming makeups.



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dave_lf
Gondor

Jul 12 2011, 7:17pm

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Are dwarves even tall enough to use and aim a bow and arrow ???


Maybe not a 7-foot English warbow, but Tolkien specifically mentions the dwarves using bows in Mirkwood (Beorn provides the arrows).


Patty
Immortal


Jul 12 2011, 7:18pm

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This is how I feel. The dwarves shouldn't look the same, but... [In reply to] Can't Post

should look as if they were born of the same race. Kili looks elvish, to me too.

This is a still photo. I'm trying very hard to keep an open mind that I'll forget all of this when the movie is on the screen. But for now, this is the first dwarf with whom I'm disappointed in his look.

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Bullroarer
Bree


Jul 12 2011, 7:20pm

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Dwarf women giving birth... [In reply to] Can't Post

Thank you for sharing that lovely thought with us, we are are all now deeply disturbed now you have planted that image it in our brains aswell... Ewwwwwww, LOL!

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Runk Snusgrop
Rivendell


Jul 12 2011, 7:22pm

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Want another one? Wink

Try picturing two dwarfs making the baby in the first place. Crazy



droidsocket
Lorien

Jul 12 2011, 7:22pm

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Thorin will look more like these then the rest [In reply to] Can't Post

And my theory behind it is PJ and company want us viewers to connect with these three dwarves the most because of how their stories end. I think they feel the emotional connection to their end would be hindered if the look too "dwarfish". Unfortunately I think that's dumbing it down. And not giving enough credit to Joe blo viewer. I guess heart throbs win over in the eye of the film makers


RoseCotton
Lorien


Jul 12 2011, 7:24pm

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I'm betting the important question is... [In reply to] Can't Post

Can one of them be Kili? Evil


RosieLass
Valinor


Jul 12 2011, 7:25pm

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Oh, pretty please! [In reply to] Can't Post

Otherwise, I need the brain bleach and a toothbrush...

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(This post was edited by RosieLass on Jul 12 2011, 7:25pm)


Arwen's daughter
Half-elven


Jul 12 2011, 7:25pm

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*grumble grumble* still no color *grumble* [In reply to] Can't Post

On the plus side, we do have some blond hair now.

I wonder if the filmmakers were worried that the audience wouldn't be able to identify with anyone under all the prosthetics and beards. Generally, audience members need to be able to enter the film through at least one of the characters, which is why so many films about other cultures/sci-fi films involve a Western main character. The audience has to identify with someone in order to understand and enjoy the movie.

In the book, that character was Bilbo and his fish out of water experience. In LOTR we had two human main characters, plus plenty of human side characters, to identify with. I wonder if the filmmakers decided to lighten the prosthetics and beards to let the audience in a little more this time around. One character who can't emote under his make-up in a cast of nine is okay. 13 in a cast of 14 is probably a little more problematic.

Just a thought, and I hope this post made sense.

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Altaira
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Jul 12 2011, 7:25pm

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If any of the dwarfs we have seen thus far looked liked Gimli I would be very disappointed.

I think it would have been a big mistake to make all the dwarves look too similar to Gimli. A good example is the seven dwarves that appear in the prologue of FOTR. They were *far* too similar to distinguish them from each other easily - as were the dwarves at the Council of Elrond in the movies. And, in those cases, there were half-or-less as many dwarves as we're going to have to keep track of in The Hobbit. I'm glad they're venturing outside of the box a little. Too much conformity would be b-o-r-i-n-g Laugh, not to mention very confusing to the audience.






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Patty
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Jul 12 2011, 7:25pm

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Noooo that's just wrong! [In reply to] Can't Post

Cool

and in 3D !

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R11
Lorien

Jul 12 2011, 7:25pm

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Seriously weak.... [In reply to] Can't Post

It looks like they even got out the fan to get Kili's luxurious locks flying in the breeze behind him. And all these years for some reason I was under the impression that he belonged to the race of dwarves Crazy. I'm not sure who deserves the blame for this but it's really a shame IMO. Major downer... Unsure


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Bullroarer
Bree


Jul 12 2011, 7:26pm

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EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!

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RoseCotton
Lorien


Jul 12 2011, 7:26pm

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Sorry, I'll try to behave... :-) // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Runk Snusgrop
Rivendell


Jul 12 2011, 7:26pm

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Ooooooooh I see what you did there.

That's much better. Wink



Brandybuckled
Lorien


Jul 12 2011, 7:28pm

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And my theory behind it is PJ and company want us viewers to connect with these three dwarves the most because of how their stories end. I think they feel the emotional connection to their end would be hindered if the look too "dwarfish". Unfortunately I think that's dumbing it down. And not giving enough credit to Joe blo viewer. I guess heart throbs win over in the eye of the film makers



Of all the things PJ is famous for, "going subtle" isn't one of the ones that leaps to mind.

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Bullroarer
Bree


Jul 12 2011, 7:28pm

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IN 3D... [In reply to] Can't Post

hahahahahaha,in 3D,LMAO x1000000000000000000000000000!

All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us- Gandalf to Frodo


redgiraffe
Rohan

Jul 12 2011, 7:29pm

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I think these two are gonna take the most getting used to for me. I don't understand though why Aidan turner had a decent beard before filming and in the production video and then they cut it off. I don't know how I feel about it. Someone get on the hi-res and photoshop so we can see them better in context.

Even with that said it's not the end of the world and I don't think it will destroy the movie.

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Bound
Rohan


Jul 12 2011, 7:30pm

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all the lads [In reply to] Can't Post

http://www.flickr.com/...7799/in/photostream/
a rush job but you get the idea

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RosieLass
Valinor


Jul 12 2011, 7:31pm

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They would probably have had him shave the beard in any case. [In reply to] Can't Post

Since it's easier to apply a complete new costume beard than work with a real one.



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rings7
Rohan


Jul 12 2011, 7:33pm

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I actually thought they would look like twins [In reply to] Can't Post

Fili and Kili that is. But I guess they're fraternal.


Evernight
Rivendell


Jul 12 2011, 7:33pm

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Thanks! Fili not so much, but Kili sticks out like a sore thumb.// [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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eralkfang
Lorien


Jul 12 2011, 7:35pm

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I'm having mixed feelings… [In reply to] Can't Post

First off, I don't think we can start calling shenanigans on characterizations—I've seen plenty a film adaptation where a character looked wrong but acted so, so right.

They both look fine, but Fíli looks much more like a young dwarf than Kíli does. It's the straight, completely unadorned hair combined with a five o'clock shadow. I understand wanting the younger dwarves to have shorter beards to keep them, well, youthful-looking, but dwarves are vain and look after their beards as much as their hair—Kíli just looks unshaven, which implies that he does shave or just started growing a proper beard. Perhaps if Kíli had the goatee and Fíli a slightly fuller beard, it would work better while still keeping them looking young.

I'm also a bit thrown by the lack of prosthetics here, especially compared to the other dwarves we've seen. They have less prosthetics, but they retain some dwarven features we saw in The Lord of the Rings—bulbous noses and pronounced brows. O'Gorman looks fine; his facial features look like a dwarf before all the hard living they love. But Turner, as people have said, has more of an Elvish look to him—thinner nose, narrow jaw. His body type is also more Elvish—lithe and tall. I wouldn't expect a young dwarf to be as thick as an old dwarf, but O'Gorman has at least that sturdy, rectangular look to him. Turner just looks too thin for a dwarf, especially with the proportions of the feet and the head.

Look, I understand wanting to have a Orlando Bloom-esque hottie in the group and giving that role to the younger guy—fair enough! But Fíli manages to be both attractive and dwarven at the same time. (The two are not mutually exclusive, heh.) Kíli just doesn't look dwarven.

I hope Turner does amazing things with the role, but I don't care for Kíli's design. This makes me wonder what Thorin is going to look like, what with the family resemblances and all.

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