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Symbelmine
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Jun 10 2011, 4:05pm
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Thranduil's queen
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I know J.R.R. didn't mention Legolas' mother, her name...etc. Do you think Peter Jackson has created a queen for Thranduil to add her into The Hobbit movie?
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Patty
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Jun 10 2011, 5:04pm
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I really hadn't thought about that before.
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um. I hope not. It's yet another uncannonical character--nor do I see the need for her to be there, as I can't see where her role would be needed to encapsulate anything, like, for example Lurtz did to the orcs. But, we'll see. I won't lose sleep if PJ does it, but I don't think it would be a great move on his part.
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Jettorex
Menegroth
Jun 10 2011, 6:30pm
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but with PJ you never know!
- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."
My book
http://www.amazon.com/Popcornmaker-Brian-Peterson/dp/0595704581
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dormouse
Gondolin
Jun 10 2011, 7:21pm
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Just another actress on the payroll with nothing special to do. But who knows? We'll just have to wait and see.
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Symbelmine
Nargothrond
Jun 10 2011, 7:29pm
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it might seems strange to some people that there will be woodland king but no queen by his side so PJ might 1.add some female elf to be Thranduil's wife and Legolas' mother or 2.fabricate a reason why there isn't any.
There is a theory that Legolas' mother died but it's purely fanon and what I know it is often use in fanfictions.
To me to add Thranduil's wife who isn't mentioned in the book to have very small part is more canon friendly than completely made up character or characters having more than small role. Just my opinion.
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RosieLass
Doriath
Jun 10 2011, 8:29pm
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I would find Leggy's mom less objectionable than an "elf warrior princess"
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...or whatever Itaril was purported to be. But she's not necessary to the plot, and I'd rather they stuck with presenting the characters JRRT wrote rather than embellishing the story with a bunch of made up extraneous roles.
It is always those with the fewest sensible things to say who make the loudest noise in saying them. --Precious Ramotswe (Alexander McCall Smith)
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Alassëa Eruvande
Doriath
Jun 10 2011, 8:33pm
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I wouldn't mind it if she sat regally next to Thranduil and that's all we saw of her.//
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And suddenly the Tornadoes saw afar off a greenlight, as it were a cloud with a living heart of flame;
and they knew that this was no vision only, but that PJ had made a new thing: The Hobbit, the Film that Is.
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Gaffer
Lindon
Jun 10 2011, 8:46pm
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Give a man a fire, and he's warm for a day, but set fire to him and he's warm for the rest of his life.
--Solid Jackson-- (from Terry Pratchett's "Jingo")
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Darkstone
Elvenhome
Jun 10 2011, 9:18pm
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A true acting challenge for Mr. Bloom.
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"A scene was cut from the finished film that showed Eowyn (Miranda Otto) stripping away her regular clothes and then dressing herself in the armor of a Rohan warrior."
*Darkstone bangs head against wall*
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Bombadil
Gondolin
Jun 10 2011, 9:55pm
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What? we really got, only 2 of any importance in LOTR...any new ElfWomen is just fine by me.
Personal opinion.(please don't get peed off!)..A surprize attack by Elfwomen from Mirkwood, turns the Tide of WAR at the BOT5A's........even though their ElfHusband's told them to stay home and mind the children....I know I'm not Canon here, but a guy can dream, or NOT?
( I know i'm gunna get creamed-PIEd by some of you, but what better place than a Fantasy-Film Website?)
just 50 Mirkwood elfwomen could knock out (A late arrival?) the Last of those Stinking, Orcs., once Thorin is Motally wounded and Hope is kinda sorta LOST?
..I'd be just as Proud of them, as I was seeing.... Eowyn taking down the WitchKing with Merry's help..More GirlPOWER!
xoxoOB
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Darkstone
Elvenhome
Jun 10 2011, 10:08pm
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Ooo! Great idea for a sidequel!
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"Mirkwood Needs Women!"
This could work!
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From IMDB trivia:
"A scene was cut from the finished film that showed Eowyn (Miranda Otto) stripping away her regular clothes and then dressing herself in the armor of a Rohan warrior."
*Darkstone bangs head against wall*
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sticklebat
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Jun 10 2011, 10:12pm
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...since PJ didnt mention or elude to Celebrian, Elronds wife, mother to Arwen, & her whereabouts in the trilogy, it seems very unlikely there will be any queen at Thranduils side either. At least I hope not.
Tri duath telich na estel lin...a si gerich naid bain anirach.
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Symbelmine
Nargothrond
Jun 10 2011, 10:18pm
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I don't think it would hurt if
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there was a queen side by side with Thranduil in his halls. As RosieLass said it would be less objectionable than Itaril whose role will be much bigger.
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shadowdog
Nargothrond
Jun 10 2011, 10:39pm
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There are many instances where Tolkien wrote about a "scene" in all of his writings and didn't mention or introduce all of the people present. I know Peter has been criticized for filling in the background players with "real people", but the films would feel very empty if only those actually named by Tolkien were ever shown in any of the films.
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Bombadil
Gondolin
Jun 10 2011, 10:52pm
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A hostess ofMirkwood Elfen-women Archers slinging their Arrows all at the same time..... just kicking some serious OrcButt with Howard's amazing Music underneath....Totally in Sinc with each other...I jus"may die & go to heaven or just "pass out" in the Theatre.
It's about time, we give girls the opportunity to Shine, since those guys?,(MEN), have messed up this EARTH too long...Rock on, Ladies you do really Rule! xoxxoOB
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Maiarmike
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Jun 10 2011, 10:59pm
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Thranduil always seemed like more of a bachelor to me.//
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"I warn you, if you bore me, I shall take my revenge"
--J.R.R. Tolkien
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KAOS82
Nargothrond
Jun 10 2011, 11:24pm
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the figure of Celeborn, whose Tolkien didn't stay on more than 4 lines, is present and we saw his role, just 2 sentences...
as well, there could be the Elf Queen but she won't be under spotlights, or so I guess...
TÚRIN TURAMBAR DAGNIR GLAURUNGA & NIENOR NÍNIEL
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nenyacaster
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Jun 10 2011, 11:48pm
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No, actually, I think the fact that Elrond was shown completely without a wife creates a pattern that PJ won't want to needlessly repeat for Thranduil. I hope as many characters are added as possible.
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RosieLass
Doriath
Jun 11 2011, 12:19am
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...unless he's Zeus, and Legolas is really Athena, there had to be a mommy elf somewhere.  
It is always those with the fewest sensible things to say who make the loudest noise in saying them. --Precious Ramotswe (Alexander McCall Smith)
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Maiarmike
Hithlum
Jun 11 2011, 12:32am
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Maybe Legolas is the product of an elven one-night stand?
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"I warn you, if you bore me, I shall take my revenge"
--J.R.R. Tolkien
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The Grey Wanderer
Menegroth
Jun 11 2011, 1:29am
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He could go either way and still stay "canon" if the role was essentially background...
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Tolkien was always deliberately light on non-essential background details as it allowed the reader to fill in the details in their imagination in whatever way was most comfortable to them. When the dwarves were interrupting the elven parties, he said nothing about the gender of any of the elves beyond that there was a King there...which he needed later. So, he may have had a wife at his side or not - depending on what the reader expected...if even the reader thought about it.
Since PJ has to flesh out the background, logically I would expect female elves at the woodland parties (they were not Ents - male and female elves tended to be found together), so the presence of a queen would make sense to me. But - I would expect a minor background role, perhaps not even speaking.
So - dealer's choice.
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Nocalas
Lindon
Jun 11 2011, 2:14am
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read so much fanfic (canonical) that portrayed Thranduils wife as dead, I'd struggle to see her alive
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taekotemple
Hithlum
Jun 11 2011, 6:50am
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I think most guys wouldn't mind seeing a bunch of hot elven warrior women on the big screen. Now, it may not really work for the Hobbit, but someday, somewhere, in some movie, it has a shot!
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Bombadil
Gondolin
Jun 11 2011, 8:04pm
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I personally think Fran&Phillipa are my only Hero-ines!
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They reined in PJ'sWild-ass Horses? excesses,
(He is such a a Wonderful Nutjob, but a lovelable NutJob, none the less?)
as well,,along with John Howe and Alan Lee, I did I mention Dana Henna and Wife?
They are all having "TOOMuch fun in NZ"
God bless them all..
The Hired Actors are probably more confused than any of us.
Whatever arrives at our Theatres Worldwide...I'll just go with it, knowing they had ....just too Much FUN!
Love is the only Ring that rules all other Rings. xoxoOB
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Bombadil
Gondolin
Jun 11 2011, 8:33pm
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Never ever doubt PJ...it's his Movie?
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If our favorite MovieAutur wants 50 wives, for Tthat han-DUDEs.... let it be.
Any suppose-is-istion is just that
A suppose-aSupertstiion..
PJ&CO wont let us down...I feel it in Water that is lapping up on the Coast ofCalifornia. California doesnt have a chance in Heaven with whats to come East-word across the Pacific.
NZ will rule once agian!
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