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News from Bree
spymaster@theonering.net
Apr 9 2011, 10:22am
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Did Gimli cause Jackson's ulcer?
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 Veteran actor John Rhys-Davies (Gimli) believes his offer to make an appearance in The Hobbit may have caused Peter Jackson's stomach ulcer.
The 66-year-old Lord of the Rings star said he initially told Jackson he wouldn't be returning to Middle Earth as the dwarf Gimli, but later had a change of heart.
"The other day when I realised it was about to start a little shiver of regret went through me," he said.
"So I called Peter Jackson's assistant and said, 'If there was anything or even just an excuse to come down do let me know...'
"PJ promptly collapsed and was admitted to hospital, I never heard back.
[Read More] (Thank to Owain for the heads up)
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Flagg
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Apr 9 2011, 3:34pm
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I think he would have made a great Glóin. There are bucketloads of Dwarves in The Hobbit, so John Rhys-Davies playing Glóin is nowhere near as objectionable as Orlando Bloom playing Thranduil – especially when you take the prosthetics into account. It's sad to hear about that 'shiver of regret'...
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Pipe Dream
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Apr 9 2011, 4:32pm
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It's probably for the best anyway.
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I'd kept thinking "Gimli" if JRD was in dwarf make-up again. What other part could he play at this point? The Master of Lake-town? Dain? Boern? (if still up in the air because of the drug thing) It would be a shame to not include him if he is willing and able now, at least in some capacity. After all, it's John Rhys-Davies. How could you go wrong with that?
"There is a long road yet," said Gandalf. "But it is the last road," said Bilbo.
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Flagg
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Apr 9 2011, 5:02pm
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I don't think I want him playing someone else
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If John Rhys-Davies was going to play anyone in The Hobbit, it really should have been Glóin. Giving another, unrelated character the appearance and voice of Gimli would be quite odd.
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Captain Salt
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Apr 9 2011, 5:08pm
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I guess he could still voice Gloin?
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Might not be unthinkable... he could return without having to deal with the prosthetics which were so bothersome during the making of the trilogy...
I would rather be watching Peter Jackson's "The Hobbit" and Ridley Scott's "Prometheus"...it's going to be a long few years.
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Pittsmen
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Apr 9 2011, 5:24pm
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He could play any number of characters and until the credits rolled you'd be like, whoa who IS that guy!
Like some others have said, he is one person I would trust to play any roll without any worry about character confusion. PLUS judging by the "making of" his face was about 99.9% Prosthetic in the LOTRS. Again, you would have never known until the credits rolled, what a shame.
Heres to a sliver of hope he makes it into this movie SOMEHOW!
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moreorless
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Apr 9 2011, 6:13pm
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There was that hint that we've heard Smaugs voice "twice before" in LOTR, doesnt really strike me as an obvious choice but he does have alot of depth to his voice.
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Ceres_the_Dwarf_(planet)
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Apr 9 2011, 6:15pm
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...that despite his claims of being done with Middle-earth due to the prosthetics issue, that he would have a change of heart.
I know it's unfair to JRD because he was just delivering the material written for him but even so, I do not want him back. Bad associations and all that. IMO, his Gimli character is darn near the Jar Jar Banks of the LOTR trilogy. Not funny, just annoying. The wisecrackin' at inappropriate moments really was unwelcome. Helms Deep, the Paths of the Dead, Pelennor Fields...gah! I shudder at the memory. As someone once noted, it's as if PJ enjoys painting smiley faces on his own masterpiece.
Now, I know there's plenty of humor in J.R.R. Tolkien's 'The Hobbit', and much of it coming from the dwarves, but I actually want to see the book-derived stuff, not what the 'team' can dream up. Judging by the last go-around, I have no confidence in them on this particular score.
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Gwytha
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Apr 9 2011, 6:35pm
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Maybe he could do the prologue where the history of the dwarves and Smaug is told
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Though I'm having trouble imagining how two prologues wouldn't be overdoing it, PJ et al. could maybe figure it out. And the extended FOTR had two prologues--after Galadriel did the initial prologue about the Ring, Bilbo then did a more lighthearted one introducing hobbits.
We are plain quiet folk and have no use for adventures. Nasty disturbing uncomfortable things! Make you late for dinner!
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Carne
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Apr 9 2011, 6:38pm
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You know, I think it could work, because his real voice is quite different from Gimli and Treebeard (which I didn't know he voiced till I watched the "making of").
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Pittsmen
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Apr 9 2011, 7:53pm
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Unfair yes, he was an awesome treebeard, credit where credit is due perhaps.
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Oh Yeah, Check out his Majesty.
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duats
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Apr 9 2011, 7:59pm
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I'd buy you a beer.
Agreed 100%.
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Aragorn the Elfstone
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Apr 9 2011, 9:09pm
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I won't begrudge anyone their opinion, but I personally don't think there was anything wrong with the portrayal of Gimli in LotR. One could make a case for the excessive Gimli humor in the EEs (particularly the Paths of the Dead stuff) - but those are, after all, luxuries for the fans. I found the amount of humor in the Theatrical Cuts (whether Gimli or anyone else) to be perfectly appropriate. You never want a film of this nature to be unrelentingly dark. Some of my favorite moments in the films are the humorous interplay between Legolas and Gimli during the Battle of Helm's Deep.
Most importantly, as you stated yourself - it is not fair to lay any complaints of perceived excessive humor at JRD's feet. For all you know, he could get some bit part in the Hobbit that will be played entirely straight and dark, while one of the new cast members will be the poster boy for Jackson's sense of humor. 
"All men dream; but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds awake to find that it was vanity; But the dreamers of day are dangerous men. That they may act their dreams with open eyes to make it possible."
- T.E. Lawrence
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Crunchable Birdses
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Apr 9 2011, 10:53pm
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The extended editions contain loads of scenes that were left out of the theatrical cuts for a reason, and in the case of RotK EE, I'd say at least 20 mins worth of the added material is quite poor, and should never have been added back in the first place. As long as you ignore these "deleted scenes", I think Gimli's character was portrayed very well.
* crunch *
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Maiarmike
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Apr 9 2011, 11:13pm
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...you didn't enjoy Professor Tolkien's constant use of fat jokes in The Hobbit then? Couldn't disagree more. Always thought Gimli was a badass in the trilogy, even with the jokes. He's nothing like Jar Jar, which was an atrocity (well the entire prequel trilogy was an atrocity, but hey...).
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Elizabeth
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Apr 10 2011, 12:21am
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He'd be a great Master of Laketown!
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And I agree with Pittsmen, you'd never know. Did you know he was Treebeard till you saw the credits? He is an incredibly versatile actor, and Master wouldn't require any of the prosthetics that gave him such a hard time.
He should not be Gimli or another dwarf -- no reason to subject him to that torture again.
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taekotemple
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Apr 10 2011, 12:39am
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Well, actually, I'm sure JRD had nothing to do with PJ's ulcer. It could be that PJ was just plain stressed out from all kinds of Hollywood filmic craziness, and maybe he had a genetic predeliction towards ulcers.
I knew a kid who had a couple of ulcer surgeries by the age of 7. Poor guy.
Just thought I'd actually address whether or not JRD actually had anything to do with it, because it's saturday, I'm bored, and I'm waiting for someone to finish their nap so I can have some help when I go buy a wardrobe at IKEA to get it in the car. I will build it myself though, because I love building IKEA furniture for some bizarre reason.
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Ainu Laire
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Apr 10 2011, 1:28am
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It is believed that stress can make them worse, though they are still looking into it, but ulcers are caused by a bacterial infection.
And, of course, if it was stress, it would not be some sort of immediate reaction. Such a thing builds up over time- goodness, it probably started around October. I would not be surprised.
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Mark Sommer
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Apr 10 2011, 2:14am
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I honestly think Ryhs-Davies meant this as a joke.
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Maiarmike
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Apr 10 2011, 2:52am
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It would be cool to see him show up.
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But not as Gimli. Maybe he could play a grungy looking human in Laketown. That would be perfect.
"I'm just a happy camper! Rockin' and a-rollin!"
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taekotemple
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Apr 10 2011, 6:59pm
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Stress is linked with aggrivating a large number of health problems, anywhere from cancer to the common cold. Stress, combined with a predisposition towards one or another health problem could trigger an ulcer. Therefore, if someone already has a genetic history of ulcers (like the little boy I mentioned who had surgery for ulcers before the age of 7) or the bacteria that was mentioned above, stress could lower the immune system's ability to fight it off. Then whatever else in the body would be more likely to trigger ulcers.
So essentially, you're right, and the others are right. Most medical problems are caused by a combination of several things. Diagnosis is never a cut and dry thing (and this is me speaking as someone who has been trained in psychological diagnosis for my master's degree.) Most people don't completely, perfectly fit any diagnosis, so in reality, everyone's right here... except JRD, who could not have caused PJ's ulcer from one phone call. Whatever the causes of PJ's ulcer, it would have been cumulative over a much longer period of time.
And yeah, I'm absolutely certain JRD meant it as a joke. 
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