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weaver
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Jul 3 2007, 12:58pm
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Screencap of the Day, July 3 -- Bilbo's kitchen...
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Here is today's screencap:
Questions:
1. What are your technical observations on this shot? How well do they pull of the illusion of the size difference between a wizard and a hobbit here? Is it hobbity enough for you in terms of what Bilbo's kitchen might look like? Any particular details you especially like or want to talk about?
2. What are your character observations on this shot? What does this image tell us about Gandalf and Bilbo and their relationship?
3. Anybody else wish you could have tea with a wizard and a hobbit in a kitchen like this?
4. Other comments or insights to share?
Tomorrow -- Fireworks by Gandalf!
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Gondolin
Jul 3 2007, 1:03pm
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I sized this shot down to far, I think -- it's hard to pick out the details. So here is a link to Reera the Red's most excellent screencap library if you want to go there and look at a larger version. The shot of Bilbo pouring the tea for Gandalf is a good one to look at too!
http://www.framecaplib.com/...es/fotr/fotr0112.htm
Have fun!
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Darkstone
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Jul 3 2007, 1:53pm
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"Thou hast crowned us with a shield "
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1. What are your technical observations on this shot?
I like how both are well lit, but they are separated by the cluttered cabinet in the dark corner. Very nice symbolism of something dark being between them.
How well do they pull of the illusion of the size difference between a wizard and a hobbit here?
Very nicely done. Hard to believe McKellen is on a little railroad car.
Is it hobbity enough for you in terms of what Bilbo's kitchen might look like?
Well, there’s food and seasonings and utensils willy-nilly all over the place, so I’d think so. Though I’d always thought of Bilbo as being a bit more of a neat freak, but maybe that was just the Before Adventure Bilbo.
Any particular details you especially like or want to talk about?
Shouldn’t all that food stuffed in corners be in the larder? Or is that supposed to be showing Bilbo as an unorganized bachelor? Still, hard to believe any hobbit would be disorganized with food.
2. What are your character observations on this shot?
Interesting that Gandalf has been literally upstaged by Bilbo. But then this is more Bilbo’s scene. Even Gandalf’s reactions are about Bilbo. So, yeah, it works.
What does this image tell us about Gandalf and Bilbo and their relationship?
I sense a father confessor relationship here. Bilbo is uneasy and is trying to pour out a darkness in his heart to Gandalf. Gandalf senses this and is not only listening but looking for every nuance of body language.
3. Anybody else wish you could have tea with a wizard and a hobbit in a kitchen like this?
Dunno. I remember once at the dinner table my brother bit me as I was reaching for the mashed potatoes. I’d assume a hobbit would be equally as territorial, and a wizard would respond to a Miss Manners faux pas by turning you into something unnatural.
4. Other comments or insights to share?
Love the religious symbolism here. Both Bilbo (arched window) and Gandalf (arched doorway) are posed with a lighted arc, or nimbus, behind their heads.
Thus all the saints are depicted, crowned as if they would say: O Daughters of Jerusalem, come and see the martyrs with the crowns with which the Lord has crowned them. And in the Book of Wisdom: The Just shall receive a kingdom of glory, and a crown of beauty at the hands of the Lord, and a crown of this kind is shown in the form of a round shield. because they enjoy the divine protection of the Holy God, whence they sing rejoicing: O Lord, Thou hast crowned us with a shield of Thy goods-will.
-William Durandus, "Rationale divinorum officiorum"
What foreshadowing! And very nice Catholic symbolism!! Think Tolkien might have approved?
Three meals for the Elven-kings high on the sky flet,
Three for the Dwarf-lords meat ripe off the bone
Three for Mortal Men doomed to diet,
Seven for the Halflings of Hobbiton!
In the Land of the Shire where the Taters fry.
Seven meals to rule them all, seven meals to find them,
Seven meals to bring them all and at the Party bind them
In the Land of the Shire where the Taters fry.
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Alcarcalime
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Jul 3 2007, 4:17pm
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I love the kitchen. I think that when you pull the stopper on the sink right behind Bilbo, the water goes out a little pipe through the wall there and runs off down the garden.
OhioHobbit and I spent many happy hours trying to design a kitchen in an upscale hobbit dwelling that a woman (or man) from our time would be able to use. I really don't want to cook over a fire in a fireplace!
I think everything is sitting around because Bilbo has been running around like crazy trying to be "super-host" and find something Gandalf might like. After Gandalf has gone, he will spend hours putting it to rights.
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Arwen's daughter
Gondolin
Jul 3 2007, 9:01pm
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1. What are your technical observations on this shot? How well do they pull of the illusion of the size difference between a wizard and a hobbit here? Is it hobbity enough for you in terms of what Bilbo's kitchen might look like? Any particular details you especially like or want to talk about?
Looking at the image now, I do notice the scale issues. But unless I'm watching this scene specifically for goofs, I've never noticed any problems. And I love this kitchen. If I ever build a house, I'm including that window in it somewhere. I would love to be able to grow herbs on a ledge like that. And I don't have any problems with the food all strewn about. He's had relatives and friends in and out all day, and besides, it's his birthday. Who wants to clean house on their brithday? (plus it's easier to show that hobbits have large appetites by dressing the set with lots of food than by showing a full larder)
2. What are your character observations on this shot? What does this image tell us about Gandalf and Bilbo and their relationship?
Very old friends. It reminds me of when I meet up with very good friends after a few years and you get to talk to someone about whatever issues are in your life and because they have an outsider's perspective it throws everything into a new light. (wow that was a bad sentence) Gandalf may be in on the joke, but it's still something similar. I don't really see the older/younger--father/son type of dynamic in their relationship until Gandalf asks about whether the ring is staying.
3. Anybody else wish you could have tea with a wizard and a hobbit in a kitchen like this?
Absolutely, though I have no idea what we'd talk about :-)
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Jul 4 2007, 12:23am
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sound like a challenge.
Our battles were usually over card games. One ended with a sibling wearing a slice of pavalova in her hair...
Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."
"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded b*****d with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.
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dernwyn
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Jul 4 2007, 5:49pm
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"Waste of a good pavalova", said Sam regretfully. //
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(Although I can't imagine him carryone one in his pocket... )
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"Only I hear the stones lament them: deep they delved us, fair they wrought us, high they builded us; but they are gone. They are gone. They sought the Havens long ago."
(Avatar pic: The Calanais stones, Isle of Lewis)
"It struck me last night that you might write a fearfully good romantic drama, with as much of the 'supernatural' as you cared to introduce. Have you ever thought of it?"
-Geoffrey B. Smith, letter to JRR Tolkien, 1915
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dernwyn
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Jul 4 2007, 5:56pm
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Thank you for the link to the bigger pic - the details are easier to see, although I still can't figure out where they 'split' the table...
The size illusion is well done, and there's plenty to distract you from wondering about it.
What was amazing to me was the thickness of the walls! Makes you realized just how much underground they are.
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"Only I hear the stones lament them: deep they delved us, fair they wrought us, high they builded us; but they are gone. They are gone. They sought the Havens long ago."
(Avatar pic: The Calanais stones, Isle of Lewis)
"It struck me last night that you might write a fearfully good romantic drama, with as much of the 'supernatural' as you cared to introduce. Have you ever thought of it?"
-Geoffrey B. Smith, letter to JRR Tolkien, 1915
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FarFromHome
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Jul 5 2007, 8:22am
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Another possible interpretation for those arches
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Love the religious symbolism here. Both Bilbo (arched window) and Gandalf (arched doorway) are posed with a lighted arc, or nimbus, behind their heads.
What about (as I think squire pointed out once in relation to another scene) the use of characters surrounded by these round arches as symbols of the Ring? This scene is subtly telling us just how much Bilbo is still enmeshed in his thoughts about the Ring - as he turns from that round window, in fact, he feels in his pocket to reassure himself once more about the Ring, and Gandalf registers it with concern.
I love the way Bilbo keeps stopping and apparently looking out of that window, as he talks about Frodo's love of "the woods, the fields, the little rivers", and about his own need to see mountains again. He's trying to look outside, beyond his own feelings of being trapped by his need for the Ring, and yet the Ring still has him in its grip.
...and the sails were drawn up, and the wind blew,
and slowly the ship slipped away down the long grey firth;
and the light of the glass of Galadriel that Frodo bore
glimmered
and was lost.
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Loresilme
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Jul 5 2007, 2:53pm
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"What was amazing to me was the thickness of the walls! Makes you realized just how much underground they are."
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The thickness definitely adds to that feeling of 'tunneling' through the ground!
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Nuradar
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Jul 5 2007, 3:52pm
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Questions:
1. What are your technical observations on this shot? How well do they pull of the illusion of the size difference between a wizard and a hobbit here? Is it hobbity enough for you in terms of what Bilbo's kitchen might look like? Any particular details you especially like or want to talk about?
I've always been amazed at how they pulled off this illusion with forced perspective, and with the similar scene with Gandalf and Frodo. Even though I know how they did it (from the EE special features), I'm still impressed. Fantastic job, here.
2. What are your character observations on this shot? What does this image tell us about Gandalf and Bilbo and their relationship?
The fact that Bilbo doesn't immediately feel obligated to sit with Gandalf at the table makes me feel like they are truly old friends and very close. I like the pots on the wall to the right of the window, and the corner cupboard to the left. Also, I now notice some dried vegetables hanging from the ceiling (looks like carrots and garlic). Very homey.
3. Anybody else wish you could have tea with a wizard and a hobbit in a kitchen like this?
I would have tea with a wizard and hobbit in ANY kitchen.
4. Other comments or insights to share?
Bilbo has always come across as being very hurried and panicked in this scene. To this day, I feel rushed and hurried when watching it. I wish he was a little more relaxed here. Afterall, they are having tea.
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