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Earl
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Oct 18 2010, 9:57am
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... it's just that associating himself with a group that's terming The Hobbit a "non union production", which is clearly untrue (at least if PJ and Philippa are to be believed... and I do believe them), isn't exactly doing the right thing. Maybe it's just the way I see it though.
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Kangi Ska
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Oct 18 2010, 10:00am
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I have always considered myself a realist. This means that I always see the dark side as well as the light. It is a fact of my nature. I always see the dialectical balancing of existence. I think this is one of the reasons I was so attracted to the Lord of the Rings. It is not that I am against joy; it is that I can not ignore the forces that oppose it. To embrace joy & sorrow is to embrace the flow of existence.
I will say on my own behalf, that I do reserve my darker and more sarcastic comments. Because in this format everything is taken as absolutely serious. This leads to problems that require explanation and extrapolation to attain extrication and exoneration.
So isn't it cool that we have a green light and the boycott(or cheese sandwich) never existed. I would Love to be in Mata Mata in the summer (NZ).
Kangi Ska Resident Bird Brain
The Hobbit is here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
At night you can not tell if crows are black or white.
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Earl
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Oct 18 2010, 10:05am
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... in her radio interview with Radio NZ, Philippa read out a portion of the letter that was sent to actors, which went "Stop Work Order: The Hobbit" (the punctuations are of course added in by me based on where I think they should fall... but the words are as spoken by Philippa).
So it may not be a "boycott" against "The Hobbit", but it definitely is an "order" to "stop work" on "The Hobbit". Same difference 
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Kangi Ska
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Oct 18 2010, 10:11am
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It is all about the "labor movement" saving face at this point.
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I think the end result will be public smiles and handshakes and The Hobbit lives in New Zealand. Simon Whiplash steps back into the shadows. We will see.
Kangi Ska Resident Bird Brain
The Hobbit is here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
At night you can not tell if crows are black or white.
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Pipe Dream
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Oct 18 2010, 10:12am
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I just noticed what appears to be a halo over your avatar.
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Too funny. Since this appears to be a thread jacking in-progress and this doesn't need a thread of it's own, does anybody know who the DP (Director of Photography) on The Hobbit will be? Is Andrew Lesnie coming back? Since PJ is directing I'd assume he'd pick his own DP once the non existing boycott is over.
<<< There is a long road yet >>>
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Kangi Ska
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Oct 18 2010, 10:15am
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Our New Zealand friends would be the ones that could start digging out information on the crew.
Kangi Ska Resident Bird Brain
The Hobbit is here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
At night you can not tell if crows are black or white.
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Patty
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Oct 18 2010, 11:06am
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tricky language, English. Many people speaking the same tongue but understanding different things.
The actors were told not to accept work on The Hobbit? What does NZ Equity call a boycott?
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sphdle1
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Oct 18 2010, 11:10am
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swims like a duck, and looks like a duck...then its a duck.
They can spin it whatever way they try, but in the end, the effect of what they are doing is a boycott plain and simple.
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sphdle1
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Oct 18 2010, 11:13am
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I think SAG & other big unions are
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using this to flex their muscles worldwide and keep all studios on their toes. It's a powerplay to remind studios of how easily they can halt their production if they get too greedy with actors.
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Patty
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Oct 18 2010, 11:18am
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Permanent address: Into the West
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DiveTwin
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Oct 18 2010, 1:44pm
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Ah, The Duck That Isn't A Duck
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It's not a boycott ... yeah, that's the ticket...
Just like "it's not a tax ... it's just a revenue enhancer".
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Elven
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Oct 18 2010, 3:52pm
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The Cheese Sandwich Saga ... :D
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As much as I want to believe that there is resolution at hand ...I don't think the parties involved see eye to eye, or see things through the same set of glasses (metaphorically speaking).
So here is the cheese sandwich saga.... 
Setting: An Unexpected Garden Party.
People are milling around the loud voice in the garden on the other side of the pond...
The person says "... and I told all the guests: If you have ordered or are offered any cheese sandwiches by the host, notify me immediately and what ever you do, dont eat them!
The Host interupts: "Why are you asking people not to take or eat cheese sandwiches?"
The Person replies: "Because they're not good for our friends and I suspect they're poisonous!"
The Host says "But you haven't even seen the menu? How do you know we are serving up cheese sandwiches?"
The Person says "Because the last party you had I heard a few people complain about them, and besides every menu has cheese sandwhiches on it!"
The Host thinks about it a minute...
The Host says "Excuse me for checking, but can I see your invitation to the party please"
The person says: "I dont have an invitation. I'm the janitor, and I gatecrashed, but I know some of the people here, and they expected me to turn up."
The Host says: "Really!"
The person: "yes! and further more I have their gastronomical interests at heart"
The Host: "Really!"
The person: "Yes! and furthmore I am an expert on cheese sandwhiches, Im a cheese sandwich inspector of the highest qualifications and I can tell the difference between a cheese sandwich and a pair of dirty socks at a hundred paces. I dont have to see them to know what Im talking about".
The Host: "Really?"
The Janitor/Cheese Sandwhich Inspector: "Yes! Really!"
The Host: "Well what if I told you that we do have cheese sandwhiches on the menu...?"
The Janitor/Cheese Sandwhich Inspector: "Ha! I knew it! Well Im so glad I have warned everyone off your horrid cheese sandwiches! Bravo to me, me, me!"
The Host: "Hmmm, and you still haven't seen a menu have you?"
The Janitor/Cheese Sandwhich Inspector: "I dont need to!"
The Host: "Here!" Shoves menu in The Janitor/Cheese Sandwhich Inspector face.
Menu:
Cheese Sandwhich: Sourdough dressed with 100 year old extra virgin olive oil, layered with West Country Farmhouse Cheddar cheese, slices of quail's egg, heirloom black tomato, epicure apple, and fresh figs. Embelished with dainty mustard red frills, pea shoots and red amaranth, topped with edible gold dust.
The Janitor/Cheese Sandwhich Inspector: Errrrrr... ummm, well, I don't care it has all these extra things on it - its still a cheese sandwich! ... AND it smells like socks and dirt!"
The Host: "That would be the melted Blue Stilton topped white truffles in the side dish..."
The Janitor/Cheese Sandwhich Inspector: "Blue Stilton! ... err I mean, so what! Blue Stilton smilton and dirty old truffles... (gulp). And whats that other smell? Exhaust fumes?"
The Host: "Yes! That the Caterers. They've decided to leave seeing that someone has sabotaged the menu and the guests are too confused now to know if they can/can't/should/shouldn't eat the cheese sandwiches because SOMEONE warned them against it!
The Janitor/Cheese Sandwhich Inspector: "Who did that!?"
The Host: "you did!"
The Janitor/Cheese Sandwhich Inspector: "No I didn't. What I said was, 'They should refrain from indulging in the cheese sandwiches because I heard a rumour that someone got sick from them the at the last party".
The Host: "Really!"
The Janitor/Cheese Sandwhich Inspector: "Well sort of. It went more like 'Be careful - Cheese Sandwiches - eat them at your own risk" ... err no, no, it was "Cheese sandwiches - taste testing' ...errr no, it was 'Let me know how the cheese sandwiches taste" (grimace)"
The Host: 'Wrong!"
The Janitor/Cheese Sandwhich Inspector: "Well, I didn't mean it - how else was I going to get into this party! I did it for them! All my cheese sandwhich inspectors and colleagues across the globe"
The Host: "Yes, but they hadn't seen the menu, had they! Oh well - Too late. The Cateres van has driven off down the road to the house on the corner, and now no-one here will get to taste the cheese sandwiches at all!"
The Janitor/Cheese Sandwhich Inspector: "You're yucky! Im not talking to you anymore!"
The Host: "Good! Will you go away now!"
The Janitor/Cheese Sandwhich Inspector: 'No"
The Host: "Well I am. I have to try and convince the Caterer to come back with those sandwiches for the guests. Here take this!"
The Janitor/Cheese Sandwhich Inspector: "Whats all that?"
The Host: "Some bread and butter. Its your pickle, so make something useful with it!!"
The Janitor/Cheese Sandwhich Inspector looks forlorn and mumbles to himself: "so I guess this counts me out in ordering a cheese sandwich off the menu in the future then?... hello... hello? Hello Sir Peter are you there? Hello, where did my cheese sandwich go? ... errr, where do everybody go?"
Cheers
Elven
Ps: There really is a sandwhich like that too - created by celebrity chef Martin Blunos.
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dormouse
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Oct 18 2010, 3:57pm
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Elven, that's brilliant! At
The Janitor/Cheese Sandwhich Inspector: "Well, I didn't mean it - how else was I going to get into this party! I did it for them! All my cheese sandwhich inspectors and colleagues across the globe"
I laughed till I cried...
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Tim
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Oct 18 2010, 4:25pm
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King Arthur: Who are you who can summon fire without flint or tinder?
Tim: There are some who call me... Tim.
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Kangi Ska
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Oct 18 2010, 4:33pm
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Cheese sandwich...Where?
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Ethel Duath
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Oct 18 2010, 4:34pm
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Yum!! (I think . . .) Now, who has the addresses in NZ
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we should send this to (including the Caterer's Union).
Nothing like food to bring clarity to a situation. Thanks for the perfect script!!
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Flagg
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Oct 18 2010, 4:36pm
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Oct 18 2010, 6:41pm
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That's a great summary of the whole problem, Elven! Absolutely love it, particularly the confused denial at the end - so like that no-boycott 
Thank you, that was hilarious!
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Oiotári
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Oct 18 2010, 9:48pm
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I was wondering about the halo too
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is that new, or has it always been there and I just haven't noticed until recently?
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Oiotári
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Oct 18 2010, 9:55pm
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and in the legal definition I posted early in the thread, there was nothing about there needing to be consequences for going against the boycott, which it seemed like whoever it was in the interview seemed to be saying the difference was
wow, that was a horrible sentence. Let me try again
The person being interviewed (I forgot the name) seemed to be saying that it's not a boycott because there are no consequences for union members who take a part in TH. That seems to imply that in order for it to be a boycott, there would need to be repercussions. However, the legal definition doesn't say anything about that, or even hint at it, at least in my reading. Though to be fair, what I posted earlier probably wasn't a complete definition.
The wide world is all about you:
you can fence yourselves in, but you cannot for ever fence it out
You can only come to the morning through the shadows
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Kangi Ska
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Oct 18 2010, 9:57pm
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My status changed. I got my halo. Everyone seemes to have one around here.
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Kangi Ska Resident Bird Brain
The Hobbit is here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Oiotári
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Oct 18 2010, 10:03pm
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so I'm not as unobservant as I thought I might be
The wide world is all about you:
you can fence yourselves in, but you cannot for ever fence it out
You can only come to the morning through the shadows
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duats
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Oct 18 2010, 10:05pm
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If there are no consequences for union members signing onto The Hobbit - why hasn't anybody been cast? Particularly Ian McKellen. He's been itching to sign onto this project for the last two years. If he has nothing to lose from signing on the dotted line, why hasn't he?
The movie was greenlit at the end of last week. It's been several days. If there are no consequences, I'm surprised he hasn't been officially cast yet. He's read the script. He's simply waiting around for a contract to show up at his front door.
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cameragod
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Oct 19 2010, 12:23am
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for the NZ SAG members, just not the ones they may have expected.
According to a friend who is in a position to know at lest two other movies and one TV series have been moved from NZ as a direct result of the perceived unstable, boycott/non-boycott workforce issue… lost work for cast and crew… way to go SAG.
All artists are prepared to suffer for their work, but why are so few prepared to learn to draw? :BANKSY
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