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Sylvester McCoy up for Radagast the Brown?
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Aug 28 2010, 11:59am

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Sylvester McCoy up for Radagast the Brown? Can't Post

Big news coming from the Dunoon Observer/Argyllshire Standard today. Sylvester McCoy confirms he is in contention with another actor for one of two Wizard parts in the upcoming 'Hobbit' films. We know Ian McKellen will like to return as Gandalf, and we've heard some rumblings of Radagast the Brown having a bigger role, so if you put two and two together -- is Sylvester McCoy up for Radagast the Brown?
"I am being cast in The Hobbit," he said. "We're currently in negotiations - there are two of us under consideration. It's not the Bilbo role, but could be bigger."

It sure sounds like great casting to us! What do you think? Share your thoughts in our forum and comments! [Read Full Article]


CreativeWriter
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Aug 28 2010, 5:21pm

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"Could be bigger" [In reply to] Can't Post

That's a bit scary. Surely the only role bigger than Bilbo is Gandalf (assuming the second movie is Gandalf-centric), maybe Thorin. What could McCoy mean? "Bigger" for his career? "Bigger" in screen time? A physically "bigger" person (lol)?

Maybe PJ has McCoy pegged as a replacement Gandalf if McKellen drops out and a Radagast otherwise?


Eldorion
Rohan


Aug 28 2010, 5:27pm

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Potentially Saruman [In reply to] Can't Post

If the idea of filming Christopher Lee in London was rejected for one reason or another, McCoy could be being considered for that role as well. However, I think Radagast is more likely. Smile



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Elven
Valinor


Aug 28 2010, 5:32pm

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Interesting ... [In reply to] Can't Post

Radagast? - I'll wait for something official Wink and it would be interesting to know who he is contending with for the part of a Wizard.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0566809/
Imdb have him listed as Bilbo though - so this is incorrect from the quote on HOME tORN.

and wiki has this info about him:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sylvester_McCoy

OhNoTheyDidnt reported that it was rumoured that it had been confirmed from a 'reliable source' he had a role in The Hobbit last month - though it was suggested it might be Bilbo.
http://community.livejournal.com/...ydidnt/48969525.html

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Eruonen
Tol Eressea

Aug 28 2010, 5:38pm

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Any signs of life are good news! [In reply to] Can't Post

I am confident that the actors being considered will be very good choices based on the LOTRs experience. Radagast has to present at the White Council and must take part in the preparations and assault on Dol Guldur...even if the book details are silent you can infer as much. As his specialty was with animals..birds etc...there are numerous opportunities for employing information gathering and news tidings activities...via creatures.

Bigger? Really, Bilbo is the biggest lead...but let us say Gandalf will be 50 / 50 with both story lines....we all hope Ian will return....then again, Saruman? It appears Christopher Lee will be unable to partake physically unless they shot scenes in England...please do! Otherwise, he could also be up for an evil part....who was in Dol Guldur

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dol_Guldur

After Sauron was defeated in the War of the Last Alliance, he retreated to Amon Lanc and built a fortress, where he hid in secrecy while recovering his strength. As the evil force residing there became apparent to the outside world, it was named the Necromancer.[14] It was not known at first that Sauron had regained physical form and was nursing himself to health; it was believed that a Nazgûl dominated the tower and land.[7] But as the power grew in strength, Gandalf the Grey became suspicious and in T.A. 2063 travelled to Dol Guldur to investigate.[14][15] Sauron anticipated his coming and withdrew to the East to remain hidden in secrecy[14][15] Thus began what later became known as The Watchful Peace, which lasted until T.A. 2460, when Sauron finally returned to Dol Guldur after years of hiding.[16]

In T.A. 2845, Thráin II, King of Durin's folk, the last bearer of one of the seven Rings of Power given to the Dwarves, was captured by Sauron's forces and was kept at Dol Guldur, where he yielded his ring to Sauron under torture.[17][18] Gandalf went again to Dol Guldur in T.A. 2850 to investigate his suspicions of the power that was rising, learned that this was indeed Sauron, and found Thráin in the dungeons close to death.[17] Thráin gave Gandalf a map and key to the Lonely Mountain, which Gandalf undertook to convey to Thorin Oakenshield, Thráin's son and heir.[19] Again anticipating the Wise, Sauron left Dol Guldur for Mordor in T.A. 2941.[20] Ten years later, when Sauron declared himself openly in Mordor, he sent three nazgûl back to reoccupy Dol Guldur.[21] Khamûl (one of the three) commanded the fortress in Sauron's absence.[22] In March of T.A. 3018, scouts from Dol Guldur became aware that Gollum had been brought to Mirkwood and was being held prisoner by Thranduil.[23] On 20 June T.A. 3018, orcs from Dol Guldur attacked the Elves who had imprisoned Gollum; in the chaos, Gollum escaped and disappeared.

I can't see him as the Witch King / Nazgul...but who knows?

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Kangi Ska
Half-elven


Aug 28 2010, 6:39pm

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Radagast & Gandalf [In reply to] Can't Post

Beorn & Bard and even the Master of Lake Town are all bigger than Bilbo. After all Bilbo is only a Hobbit.

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Tim
Tol Eressea


Aug 28 2010, 7:27pm

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"It's not the Bilbo role, but could be bigger."? [In reply to] Can't Post

Pardon me, but that sounds completely silly. The name of the the movie is The Hobbit. Said hobbit is Bilbo. There is no bigger role. Which means either the actor doesn't have a clue about who Bilbo is or that this quote is straight from Imaginary Land.

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hamlet
Rivendell


Aug 28 2010, 7:46pm

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My guess is that he was just joking. [In reply to] Can't Post

 


hamlet
Rivendell


Aug 28 2010, 9:41pm

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It gives me hope! [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm glad to hear that these kinds of conversations are taking place. I feel like we're on the brink of exciting news. And being a big fan of Dr. Who, I think Sylvester would make a great Radagast.


Celedor
Rivendell


Aug 28 2010, 9:49pm

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Radagast the Fool! [In reply to] Can't Post

I agree that it's more likely to be Saruman than Radagast. Considering Christopher Lee's reluctance to resume the role, and the difficulties for a man his age to travel and do the things necessary to appear in the prequel films, it's not surprising the filmmakers might want to recast the role. I also agree with the poster who said that there's no bigger role in The Hobbit than the titular character. My guess is McCoy was giving his hometown paper a bit of hyperbole.

By the way, there's a funny story behind the photo of Radagast that was posted with this article. Originally Radagast was going to appear in The Lord of the Rings, and they cast the actor who appears in the photo. But the part was cut from the script before filming, so the guy doesn't appear in the movies. However, after the films were completed, card-maker Decipher was doing a trading card set featuring characters like Radagast (and Tom Bombadil) who don't appear in the films. For Radagast, they hauled out his wizard costume that was made (but not used) and got the actor who was supposed to wear those clothes to pose for the card, and that's why theonering.net has a photo of Radagast: http://scrapbook.theonering.net/...ers/other/view/12628

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dormouse
Half-elven

Aug 28 2010, 10:01pm

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I find it hard to imagine... [In reply to] Can't Post

... Sylvester McCoy as Saruman. He's rather small, for a start, and doesn't have the commanding presence and voice that Christopher Lee does. If they have to recast Saruman, as they probably will, I would have expected them to go for someone more like Lee, since he is so firmly established in the role.


Eruonen
Tol Eressea

Aug 28 2010, 10:23pm

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Right, I cannot see him as Saruman... [In reply to] Can't Post

Frank Langella or similar actors yes....McCoy is best cast as either a Hobbit or Dwarf.


Galadhwen
The Shire


Aug 29 2010, 12:02am

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Things are getting more interesting by the minute! [In reply to] Can't Post

I really do hope that McCoy will be cast as Radagast - I have seen him (McCoy) in Doctor Who and I thought that he was a very good actor; so fingers crossed for me that he gets the part. In reply to dormouse's post:


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I find it hard to imagine Sylvester McCoy as Saruman. He's rather small, for a start, and doesn't have the commanding presence and voice that Christopher Lee does.


Those were my thoughts exactly. I just can't imagine anyone other than Lee portraying Saruman like he did. Although I do understand that because of physical condition Lee may or may not be able to reprise his role (if he does). Thanks for this update, News from Bree!

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Celedor
Rivendell


Aug 29 2010, 2:22am

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... Sylvester McCoy as Saruman. He's rather small, for a start, and doesn't have the commanding presence and voice that Christopher Lee does. If they have to recast Saruman, as they probably will, I would have expected them to go for someone more like Lee, since he is so firmly established in the role.



I'll be the first to admit that McCoy as Saruman seems odd. But I just can't see him competing against Ian McKellen for the role of Gandalf, and I'm not sold on the Radagast theory. Then again, maybe he's been cast as the Necromancer and is referring to him as the other wizard. It'll be fun to learn the answer to this riddle.

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Elizabeth
Valinor


Aug 29 2010, 3:24am

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Radagast??? [In reply to] Can't Post

Gandalf mentions him once in passing, to Beorn. He has nothing to do in these films, unless it's going to be sheer fan-fic. To be sure, he has a slightly larger role in Unfinished Tales, but that material is off limits for licensing reasons.






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Pipe Dream
Gondor


Aug 29 2010, 5:11am

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I believe he's referring to size as in height of the character. [In reply to] Can't Post

Taller then a hobbit, not size as in a larger part i.e. screen time.

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Compa_Mighty
Tol Eressea


Aug 29 2010, 7:31am

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Well, we've speculated about the possibility [In reply to] Can't Post

Of Radagast replacing Beorn... this is all very strange,...

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LoremIpsum
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Aug 29 2010, 10:08am

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That would be awesome [In reply to] Can't Post

He's a good and under appreciated actor and would be fun seeing him as Radagast and McKellen as Gandalf (crosses fingers)
He's due for a role anyway, he got so close to being Bilbo ten years ago.


maut
Rivendell


Aug 29 2010, 11:00am

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Why not Thorin? [In reply to] Can't Post

His role is rather important..
But I think either Gandalf (Oh, please no!) or Radagast (why not) would sounds more plausible for me. Not Saruman for sure. He just doesn't suit for it.

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dormouse
Half-elven

Aug 29 2010, 3:44pm

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Well.... [In reply to] Can't Post

... apparently the article said 'Wizard' parts, so unless this is an almighty tease and 'wizard' was not supposed to have a capital letter (as in, "I'm being considered for ****** - that's a really wizard part!"), it has to mean Gandalf, Radagast or Saruman.

Saruman isn't in 'The Hobbit' proper, of course, but would probably have a place in the White Council/background to LotR material and it has been said that Christopher Lee doesn't want to travel so far again - but Sylvester McCoy just isn't right for Saruman. Radagast is mentioned and might be given more to do, and he's more of a blank canvas....

I do so hope it isn't Gandalf. That would be awful.


xy
Rohan

Aug 29 2010, 7:29pm

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Indeed. [In reply to] Can't Post

And how do we know from that little bit he says --

"I am being cast in The Hobbit," he said. "We're currently in negotiations - there are two of us under consideration. It's not the Bilbo role, but could be bigger." --

that this is a wizard role ? C. Lee did say he doesn't want to be Saruman, but we don't know for sure Saruman will have any scenes in the movie. And I certainly think Ian McKellen will be Gandalf again.


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Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Aug 29 2010, 7:45pm

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Radagast role "confirmed" as bring possibility for McCoy... [In reply to] Can't Post

British telly mainstay and one-time Doctor Who, Sylvester McCoy, has just quashed rumours of his casting as Bilbo Baggins in The Hobbit: Part I. So what is his real relationship with the film? Who will he really be playing?
This afternoon we’ve been told by a 100% trustworthy source close to the situation that McCoy is in line for the role of Radagast the Brown. For a bit of context, Radagast is a wizard who, in The Fellowship of the Ring, unwittingly lures his ally, Gandalf, into a trap set by Saruman.
Will the show the off-page battle between the wizards and the Necromancer as part of the bok’s expansion into two movies?
If all goes to plan, then McCoy should be heading to New Zealand November-December time. Bleeding Cool couldn’t be more excited. And Tom Baker can just go swivel.
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2010/08/29/scoop-we-confirm-sylvester-mccoy-up-for-hobbit-role/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed:+BleedingCool+%28Bleeding+Cool+Comic+News+%26+Rumors%29&utm_content=Twitter

BTW, here's the description of the part from the official casting call (??), or whatever it was, that went out early this year:

[RADAGAST THE BROWN] One of the Istari... Like the other five Wizards, RADAGAST has taken the form of an old man. Somewhat scruffy and prone to wandering the wilds,. He is however a close friend of GANDALF the Grey who holds him in great affection and admires RADAGAST’s gentle spirit.. He has a cheery disposition and a twinkle in his eye; RADAGAST is eccentric, forgetful and easily distracted. This role will require a wig, beard and possible prosthetic make- up. LEAD. AGE: 50-70. ACCENT – STANDARD R.P. OR SLIGHTLY ACCENTED REGIONAL ENGLISH ACCENT.

Samuel L. Jackson for Bilbo, Woody Allen for Thorin, Lewis Black for Bard and Gilbert Gottfried for Smaug!

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Aug 29 2010, 9:34pm

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Well, that casting call description [In reply to] Can't Post

certainly looks to be right down McCoy's alley. It will be very interesting to see what they do with that character.

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Aug 29 2010, 9:45pm

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I do so hope it isn't Gandalf. That would be awful.

It isn't Gandalf. If there were even the smallest hint of Sir Ian not coming back for Gandalf, the internet would have erupted. He was the first of the cast to be approached, he's seen the script, he's made enthusiastic comments....he's as solid as anything can be until the green light comes and contracts are signed. He came pre-cast, you might say. Cool

All signs are pointing at McCoy being Radagast.

Silverlode

"Of all faces those of our familiares are the ones both most difficult to play fantastic tricks with, and most difficult really to see with fresh attention. They have become like the things which once attracted us by their glitter, or their colour, or their shape, and we laid hands on them, and then locked them in our hoard, acquired them, and acquiring ceased to look at them.
Creative fantasy, because it is mainly trying to do something else [make something new], may open your hoard and let all the locked things fly away like cage-birds. The gems all turn into flowers or flames, and you will be warned that all you had (or knew) was dangerous and potent, not really effectively chained, free and wild; no more yours than they were you."
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Eldorion
Rohan


Aug 29 2010, 9:53pm

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A "100% trustworthy source close to the situation"... [In reply to] Can't Post

...is exactly the kind of source that I don't trust. It might be legitimate, but chances are it's just someone hopping on the news bandwagon, especially given the timing with the previous scoop. I don't pay much attention to reports from anonymous sources, at least not when they come from a news outlet I know nothing about.



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