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Lindon
Jun 20 2010, 5:01pm
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Dear friends, like I predit a few days ago perhaps Neil Blomkamp is going to be the new Hobbit director, and I´m very very satisfay.
Another note: I have read the new words from Ian (Gandalf) about the Hobbit movie, please note that he don't mention the name of GdT, Why is be ?
Think on that
Best from Portugal
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Jun 20 2010, 5:05pm
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You can only come to the morning through the shadows
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Lindon
Jun 20 2010, 5:29pm
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Dear friend
I have just read it in the frodofranscise blog (Kristin Thompson)
I think that Ian put it in the Twitter
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Jun 20 2010, 5:39pm
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I thought I might have missed something
I'd say he probably didn't mention GdT because you can't say much in a Twitter post (or whatever you call it)
Most likely he assumed we knew about the situation (at least as far as that GdT had stepped down) because otherwise we wouldn't need reassurance
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Jun 20 2010, 8:19pm
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Exactly. This is standard practice.
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If you're not ready to publicly announce something yet, you do not give hints. To hint is no different than announcing, except it causes more chaos. PJ and GDT both know full well that one slight whiff of anything amiss would send the fans and the entertainment reporters into a frenzy. You do not unleash that before its time - not if you're smart, as both of them are.
Did GDT tell us the facts along the way which would enable us to accurately evaluate the situation? Of course he didn't - he told us carefully selected bits. Just because he posted here doesn't mean that we actually had any idea of most of what was going on. Would he have told us months ago that timing was becoming an increasing problem? No, of course not. Just think what reams of articles full of nonsense would immediately have been written, not to mention the panic it would have caused here. Our ignorance of what might or might not have been under discussion for the past few months is no indication at all of anything except that - our ignorance.
I don't for a minute believe that this was a snap decision. As I said before, I think it was a growing cloud on the horizon for some time previously. There was quite a long period of silence prior to the announcement. Do we know what was going on during that time? We do not. I would also suggest that in addition to business factors, there are undoubtedly serious family concerns as well, which have not been mentioned because they're nobody's business but Guillermo's.
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"Of all faces those of our familiares are the ones both most difficult to play fantastic tricks with, and most difficult really to see with fresh attention. They have become like the things which once attracted us by their glitter, or their colour, or their shape, and we laid hands on them, and then locked them in our hoard, acquired them, and acquiring ceased to look at them.
Creative fantasy, because it is mainly trying to do something else [make something new], may open your hoard and let all the locked things fly away like cage-birds. The gems all turn into flowers or flames, and you will be warned that all you had (or knew) was dangerous and potent, not really effectively chained, free and wild; no more yours than they were you." -On Fairy Stories
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Jun 20 2010, 8:23pm
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"Question everything, embrace the bad, and hold on to the good."
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Jun 20 2010, 8:27pm
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I'm not saying that he would have said something about leaving during the conference call if he had known. What I am saying is that he likely would have avoided making specific statements about The Hobbit during a conference call that was on a completely different subject if he knew at that point that he was likely going to be leaving the project. It was, of course, inevitable that he would have been asked about The Hobbit during the conference call, but he could have easily said something vague to the affect of "I don't have anything to say about it at this time" or "there is no new developments right now." But if you look at what he did say, it doesn't seem like the type of statement that someone who was planning to leave the project would have said. Unless if was the type of person who is skilled at deception, which I don't think GdT is, or wants to be.
'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'
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Jun 20 2010, 8:30pm
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Actually I have reponded several times to your posts....
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And don't consider myself to be no one.
You seem to skirt logic (in regards specifically to GDT leaving The Hobbit) in favor of irrational dramatic speculation that has no basis in fact.
"Question everything, embrace the bad, and hold on to the good."
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Kangi Ska
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Jun 20 2010, 8:46pm
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As I said earlier something happened & I would bet it was coming from outside of New Zealand.
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Jun 20 2010, 8:47pm
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These were not new questions - they've been asked and answered multiple times before, and GDT gave the same stock answers he'd given before. Reporters want quotes and soundbites; "nothing new" assumes that they and their readers know what has been said before, which is not an assumption that can be made. We follow all the developments of this movie, but many reporters do not follow every interviewee's careers with such detailed interest and the average reader probably doesn't either. Directors and actors are accustomed to the endless round of publicity interviews in which you are asked the same questions by 20 people in a row and you give them all nearly identical answers, resulting in many very similar articles. You do not get tired of repeating yourself and tell them to go refer to previous interviews for their answers. Vagueness or evasiveness would certainly have been pounced on - if not by the interviewer, then by the fans who read things into every statement.
As I said, a hint is as good as an announcement. That's not about deception, it's about doing things in order. Studios do get rather miffed if directors jump the gun on official announcements. To say that GDT followed standard practice is in no way a slur against his character. I think that the fact that when the announcement was made, it was made here is proof of his integrity and generosity toward the fans, not that I think there was ever any cause for doubt.
Silverlode
"Of all faces those of our familiares are the ones both most difficult to play fantastic tricks with, and most difficult really to see with fresh attention. They have become like the things which once attracted us by their glitter, or their colour, or their shape, and we laid hands on them, and then locked them in our hoard, acquired them, and acquiring ceased to look at them.
Creative fantasy, because it is mainly trying to do something else [make something new], may open your hoard and let all the locked things fly away like cage-birds. The gems all turn into flowers or flames, and you will be warned that all you had (or knew) was dangerous and potent, not really effectively chained, free and wild; no more yours than they were you." -On Fairy Stories
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Jun 20 2010, 8:54pm
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I do not believe that GdT is on the outs with PJ & the Wellington people. I would not be surprised to see PJ there with the anointed one and Guillermo to make the announcement (after all it is still GdT's script and design.) But I am convinced this announcement will only come if there is a green light on the project. GdT leaving will have bought that.
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Jun 20 2010, 9:49pm
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You are saying that GDT's departure was brewing for a few months -- say from right around the time Ataahua expressed concern that we might lose Guillermo if the MGM thing drags on too long -- and that his departure was only announced when he and PJ felt the time was right to do so.
VTF is saying GDT's departure was closer to a snap decision based on something that happened, changed or something that needed to change or happen but didn't.
Pretty much the only thing PJ has said about it is that Guillermo came up to him on the Saturday morning before the news broke, saying that he had to move on.
It is very likely that the idea of leaving was growing in Guillermo's heart for months... it is also very likely that something happened (or didn't happen etc) that caused him to decide suddenly to leave the project.
As various people have pointed out, the time commitment was there from the beginning. But it was getting longer all the time.
I mean it could have been anything. Maybe it had something to do with Splice? Here is a movie that was announced, made, and in theatres in less time than GDT has already worked on The Hobbit.
Perhaps the reality of Splice made the tangled mass of the Hobbit (with all the fingers in the pie, egos to stroke, and people to please) seem like more of a threat to his artistic and personal integrity than he was willing to risk on it? Perhaps being asked about the Hobbit while he was promoting Splice brought everything into sharp focus and he decided he just wasn't interested in playing anymore?
To be honest, since January, I've been losing interest in the project as well. GDT's departure may have been the final blow to any sense of looking forward to seeing this film made. (I admit to being intrigued by the idea of Blomkamp for director, but for different reasons.)
I mean we will always have LOTR. Perhaps that is enough?
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Lindon
Jun 20 2010, 10:48pm
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Dear friend
Thanks (again) to join the forum.
Can you help me in some doubts:
GdT is going to announce his next project in Comic Con?
But it is not related with the Hobbit?
Wy we still worring about GdT?
I think is time to focus our mind in helping PJ and all people involved in the Hobbit project, includes Neil ( District 9).
Best
pasi
p.s. sorry for my english, if I can write in Portuguese perhaps you can understand all my ideas about this all Gdt trouble
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Jun 20 2010, 11:00pm
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Your english is fine, at least I understand everything. 
And my native tongue isn't English.
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Jun 20 2010, 11:19pm
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People are interested in what GdT does
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Even if it isn't related to The Hobbit or Tolkien in general, people are still interested in what GdT does. So that's why people are still talking about what he will announce at Comic-Con.
'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'
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Jun 20 2010, 11:30pm
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any hint, or avoidance, would have given a clear indication that there was change in the air, and would have set off alarm bells.
I have read Guillermo's statements and nothing he said was deceptive. There was no change in the project, just his participation was changing from director/screenwriter to screenwriter only.
As a project manager in my job, I have experienced resource changes. Change is expected, and it's important that all members of the project team are able to manage the change. No one person should be indispensable, however the transitioning of key resources has to be managed, and part of that change management is having a good communication strategy.
I don't think the conference call was a game-changer. I think it was a long-planned announcement. Guillermo's public announcement three days later was part of the communication plan.
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Jun 21 2010, 12:07am
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Blomkamp doesn't strike me as the right fit for The Hobbit, and this coming from an avid fan of District 9.
Honestly, if Jackson doesn't step in to direct, I can see this project being put on indefinite hold, simply because I think it's going to be incredibly hard to find a director who can afford three years to relocate to New Zealand.
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Jun 21 2010, 12:37am
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as per the homepage of his official website, Del Toro Films...
http://www.deltorofilms.com
(Or DTF as his fans call it.)
For those interested..it is dated June 12th.
Before he came here, Del Toro posted a lot st his own website. For those of you who want to continue to follow his career, there's the place to do it.
Haun, you are right...I have a load to get off my chest, and I don't have time to write a rough draft. My posting style has changed little in 9 yrs. Back in the First Agr I was famous for my infrequent essays:)
That'swhat I wish we had still..the editorials and such. Good as one of Quickbeam's reports is, I love a good essay too...
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Jun 21 2010, 2:04am
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Thanks for the word Dianne. Hopefully fate can find a way for Grant Major and Ngila Dickson to return. Seeing the finer details on the LOTR Blu-rays made me appreciate anew just how magnificent Dickson's costumes are.
I don't know who some of the hot names in the industry are in costuming. That's more your forte -- any people in particular you'd like to see on The Hobbit if Dickson is not available?
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Jun 21 2010, 3:33am
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This whole thing feels like death by degrees! (GDT leaving; the suspense . . .)
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But I am still hopeful. I believe Peter wants the best, and will do his best to get just that (director included). 
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Jun 21 2010, 3:58am
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I can toss around some names I'd love to see work on The Hobbit, but just like looking at new directors there are going to be a hundred names I don't think of who would all do a fantastic job.
Some of my favorites
Colleen Atwood, who usually works with Tim Burton on movies like Alice in Wonderland and Sleepy Hollow
Janty Yates, who works with Ridley Scott on all of his big movies
Sandra Powell, who worked on The Young Victoria, Shakespeare in Love, and Aviator
Sammy Sheldon of Stardust and Hellboy II (she's currently working on X-Men: First Class, though)
Deborah L. Scott, of Aviator, Titanic, and The Patriot (currently filming Transformers 3)
Milena Canonero, who designed for Marie Antoinette as well as classics like A Clockwork Orange and Out of Africa
I think I should stop there before I break IMDB 
My LiveJournal
My Costuming Site
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Jun 21 2010, 7:20am
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i don't want the hobbit to be made like a harry potter movie!
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"district 9" is something completely different than LOTR, and i think this is better than to have someone who is doing "harry potter" movies.."braindead" had nothing to do with LOTR too 
like ian mc kellen said:
Ich bin selbst ein großer Gandalf-Fan. Für mich ist dieser sanfte, freundliche, mutige Zauberer ein echtes Vorbild. Ich habe gar nichts dagegen, mit einer so wunderbaren Filmfigur assoziiert zu werden. Sauer reagiere ich nur, wenn man mich mit Michael Gambon verwechselt, dem Dumbledore-Darsteller aus den „Harry Potter“-Filmen. Dann sage ich: „Nein, ich spiele das Original von J. R. R. Tolkien, nicht die billige Kopie von Joanne K. Rowling!“
http://www.faz.net/...common~Scontent.html
"i'm a big fan of gandalf myself. he's my idol. i don't like it to be mistaken for Michael Gambon who's playing Dumbledore. i'm playing the original by j.r.r. tolkien, not the cheap copy of joanne k. rowling!"
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Jun 21 2010, 8:30am
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Great List (Canonero = Legend)!
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I used to have the "Costume Design (Screencraft)" book by Deborah Nadoolman (not sure what happened to it). Anyways, I recall there was a great interview in there with Canonero. What an amazing filmmography she has. The woman that did Barry Lyndon! Imagine what a dream it would be to have her on The Hobbit.
And I don't see this Canonero film mentioned nearly enough, but a movie where the art of Production Designer, Cinematographer, and Costume Designer was in such perfect sync (particularly in color) was "Dick Tracy."
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