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Altaira
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Jun 19 2010, 3:32pm
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Me too, Kangi. Nicely said, Kyriel
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To me, the violence in D9 was there for a purpose. First, it showed that the aliens were vastly different from us and helped illustrate how people could misunderstand and dislike them. It, plus things like the humans calling the aliens 'prawns' and putting them out of sight to live in a horrible slum, also illustrated how the humans had little to no regard for the fact the aliens were thinking, feeling beings. The only humans who would venture near them were the worst criminals, or those like Wikus who treated them more like dumb animals who needed charity.
To me, Blomkamp 'got' that completely and made us aware of it even though it was almost painful sometimes. So, it *did* help us feel that much more sympathy for the aliens once we realized they had intelligence and feelings.
Great analogy, Kyriel, to Brain Dead. PJ's earlier movies were definitely painful to watch sometimes, lol.  But, not in the same way. PJ often unabashedly went in for sheer gratuitous violence and grossness. If he can produce something as breathtaking as the LOTR movies, I can definitely be convinced that a director with Blomkamp's somewhat unproven skill, and who PJ obviously believes in, could do a fine job on The Hobbit.
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Patty
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Jun 19 2010, 3:33pm
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My sentiments exactly, Kangi...
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it's not as if we have a choice, so here's hoping he does it well.
And I had thought my level of enthusiasm couldn't get any lower...
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Bound
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Jun 19 2010, 3:37pm
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I've read people's reactions to this rumour. Now everyone's entitled to their own feelings/ opinion but I can't help feel people are over reacting ...
I understand it's because everyone here is a fan of Tolkien and thus this material is close to their hearts, but this situation with the director is very common place in Hollywood. Directors are attached to projects for a long time and then suddenly leave it. Then others come in and take over it and things can work out quite good and sometimes they work out badly.
I remember George Lucas saying that Peter Jackson and Weta didn’t “have it” to make The Lord Of The Rings. …
In fact, look at it from the other point of view; directors who have huge experience can make bad movies too. I thought Jackson made a dreadful version of The Lovely Bones. It was widely panned. It just didn’t work.
I guess what I’m saying is I think the best course of action is to give the makers (who ever that is) of the hobbit the benefit of the doubt.
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Kangi Ska
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Jun 19 2010, 3:39pm
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You were suppose to dislike Wikus Van De Merwe. He was a Corporate worm/weasel. The story is about his coming to understand the aliens perspective. Do not fault a "man" until you've walked a mile in his shoes. I thought he was sympathetic in the end. All I could say was one heck of a piece of acting by Sharlto Copley for the first time out.
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Patty
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Jun 19 2010, 3:52pm
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Wow.
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Owain
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Jun 19 2010, 4:32pm
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It is obvious that you have put thought into what you are posting...
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... but I don't understand where you are getting all of this... even after reading your posts. You are reading into a situation and connecting dots and making a lot of hasty generalizations. Let me give you an example
"So let me throw out an example. If it were a script issue (one of the "many and varied" reasons DT said he had for leaving) what would be the Mimic and Ofelia-like issue he had with the script? There could be several."
If its a script issue then why is he staying on as a screenwriter? Why is he still anticipating the films with the rest of us? Why will he be looking for his artistic fingerprints when he is planning to be at the premiere. These are all statements he has made? He is not afraid to stand for artistic value... agreed. And he still see's that in The Hobbit. PJ stated that while deeply saddened the parting was amicable. And the reasons were consistent with what GDT stated. The "protracted" timeline. It adds up.
These are things stated directly from the parties involved.
Where are you getting all of this?
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Oiotári
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Jun 19 2010, 4:58pm
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Yes, I could get behind Blomkamp
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but the idea will take some getting used to
After GdT stepped down and the ideas for possible new directors came out, he was on the list that I thought I could possibly work.
Not my top choice (even excluding GdT and PJ) but this could be good.
I'm not going to give up on The Hobbit, not yet anyway
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Jun 19 2010, 5:41pm
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A rumour, though I still think
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...that the longer a third party director isn't announced, the bigger the odds of PJ taking over.
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Bound
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Jun 19 2010, 7:07pm
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Lucas said it back in the very early stages of the production of LOtR. It was at a point when there no footage online or any photos etc,.
Realistically one of the "magic" things about the LOtR movies was the fact that it felt like Jackson and co shouldn't be able to succeed. A director who wasn't a big name working with a no name Visual Effects company. 10 years ago that was a huge deal.
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marlonbrando76
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Jun 19 2010, 7:39pm
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it will be great if neill can direct this two movies... district 9 have a very rare quality.... heart.
is a beautiful masterpiece, in time that movie will be see like an astonish first movie of a young wonderful hope in the director's realm...
so.... god bless you mr BLOMKAMP!
take this ride in the middle hearth with your friend Mr Jackson and make our dream true!
...and please remember Mr Lee ; ) go to London for his scene : )
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Uruk-Hai
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Jun 19 2010, 7:40pm
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Either way, it is what it is...when it is.
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Garfeimao
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Jun 19 2010, 8:10pm
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I'm open to whatever PJ thinks is best
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GDT may be gone, but PJ is still there and will put the best person into the director's chair that he can. And while an inexperienced director may seem like they'd be a pushover for a studio to pressure, PJ is still the producer, so there would be a buffer in place ready to make sure the best product was put on screen possible. Sure, the problem of Best Available over Best Suited is a real problem, but the current protracted financial situation at MGM is going to make this a continual problem for anyone, suited or not suited. After all, no one in this industry works on just one project without having opportunities in several others as well, which is how we lost GDT in the first place. He made it clear two years ago that the timeline for this, as stated way back then, fit with his current schedule of other obligations. The MGM situation complicated it to the point it no longer worked and he had to leave, end of story.
But do any of you really think GDT just woke up one day and went "Ooops, this is the deadline date to get started and we aren't starting, so I guess I have to quit now."? No, he probably knew months and months ago where that deadline date was, and I'm sure there were discussions as things dragged on of what other possibilities they might have to consider. His leaving was not a sudden decision with no preparation on the part of GDT or PJ, and I'm willing to bet they started putting out feelers for a replacement long before the announcement he was leaving became official. Yes, that is conjecture, but GDT and PJ knew the consequences of his leaving the project, it would be irresponsible of both of them to not have contingencies already in the works. And if they did, then it would be irresponsible of whomever they contacted not to start familiarizing themselves with the material. The idea that any new director is going to step in out of a vaccuum of knowledge is silly, who would make that kind of decision and commitment not having a clue what the project might actually entail?
I think Mrcere's logic is sound, and if it's not Neill, it will be someone equally talented, who can work within the existing creative team down there, who has a passion for the subject and who will put up the best possible product for us to enjoy. It's OK to be sad for the films that won't be made by GDT, I know I'm very depressed over that, but I am also very excited to see what someone else can do with the work.
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Buchanicus
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Jun 19 2010, 8:57pm
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But do any of you really think GDT just woke up one day and went "Ooops, this is the deadline date to get started and we aren't starting, so I guess I have to quit now."? No, he probably knew months and months ago where that deadline date was, and I'm sure there were discussions as things dragged on of what other possibilities they might have to consider. His leaving was not a sudden decision with no preparation on the part of GDT or PJ, and I'm willing to bet they started putting out feelers for a replacement long before the announcement he was leaving became official. Yes, that is conjecture, but GDT and PJ knew the consequences of his leaving the project, it would be irresponsible of both of them to not have contingencies already in the works. And if they did, then it would be irresponsible of whomever they contacted not to start familiarizing themselves with the material. The idea that any new director is going to step in out of a vaccuum of knowledge is silly, who would make that kind of decision and commitment not having a clue what the project might actually entail?
My thoughts exactly. I believe this had to be a thought-out decision for weeks if not months. That if filming hadn't begun by a certain date he would have to move on. It was in no way some overnight easy decision...the man moved his family down there and was working on the project for over two years! I'm not sure why there seem to be some that think this was rash, or that there was a big argument that ended with "fine, i'll just leave"..there had to be a plan, or at least that's how it makes sense in my hand, and I think the evidence most supports this. GdT is still working on the project...as a screenwriter, he said he was still a big supporter and that he would be there at the premiere!
Great post Garfeimao.
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Ataahua
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Jun 19 2010, 9:30pm
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It's worth noting that TLB also received a lot of praise.
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I thought Jackson made a dreadful version of The Lovely Bones. It was widely panned.
It's more accurate to say that TLB had mixed reviews - I certainly read many reviews that were either very happy with it or disliked it a lot.
I think LOTR is a bit of an albatross for PJ. He reached such heights with those three films that any subsequent movie that doesn't get near that standard is considered a failure by him.
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Woodyend
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Jun 19 2010, 9:43pm
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I think it will be considered a failure by anyone if it doesn’t equal LOTR.
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I thought Jackson made a dreadful version of The Lovely Bones. It was widely panned. It's more accurate to say that TLB had mixed reviews - I certainly read many reviews that were either very happy with it or disliked it a lot. I think LOTR is a bit of an albatross for PJ. He reached such heights with those three films that any subsequent movie that doesn't get near that standard is considered a failure by him.
If PJ doesn’t direct it I vote for Fran. Also wasn’t there some press about Viggo wanting to start a new career in directing?
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dormouse
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Jun 19 2010, 10:00pm
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But do any of you really think GDT just woke up one day and went "Ooops, this is the deadline date to get started and we aren't starting, so I guess I have to quit now."? No, he probably knew months and months ago where that deadline date was, and I'm sure there were discussions as things dragged on of what other possibilities they might have to consider. His leaving was not a sudden decision with no preparation on the part of GDT or PJ, and I'm willing to bet they started putting out feelers for a replacement long before the announcement he was leaving became official. Yes, that is conjecture, but GDT and PJ knew the consequences of his leaving the project, it would be irresponsible of both of them to not have contingencies already in the works. And if they did, then it would be irresponsible of whomever they contacted not to start familiarizing themselves with the material. The idea that any new director is going to step in out of a vaccuum of knowledge is silly, who would make that kind of decision and commitment not having a clue what the project might actually entail?
... but following that logic, don't you think that the long silence following GDT's announcement rather suggests that any feelers they may have put out to other directors were at best inconclusive? You're absolutely right that GDT must have known for some time that there would be a cut-off date for him and this must have been discussed and plans set in place - but surely if they had been able to actually find and prepare a new director the two announcements could have been made at once, with far less risk of damaging publicity. I can't see any reason for the silence except that no one had so far been willing to commit to the project.
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that my comment (the one you have bolded) could be taken in two ways. I meant that reviewers/the public would see subsequent films as failures if they don't get near the heights of LOTR - not that PJ would see his own new film that way.
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Sauron: "Mine's better."
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Kangi Ska
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Jun 20 2010, 12:11am
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I think just the opisit would be true.
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If Peter wanted it he would have taken it when GdT announced he was leaving. Instead he made his little don't panic statement assuring the studios that he would protect their investment. Beyond that point they were looking at options and probably drawing up a short list. The deal could have already been made on a handshake and become official with a formal announcement, I might suggest that this may happen along with a green light from the studios. Commin Con would be an ideal stage for such an announcement. But that might be wishful thinking.
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chrismortega
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I got that you were supposed to dislike him... I just never came around to liking him in the end. But I will agree that Sharlto Copley did a great job. And again... I think I just need to see it again. I think I would like it better the second time around.
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Kangi Ska
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Jun 20 2010, 12:28am
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Perhaps something else occurred that caused a crisis.
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If Universal Studio jerked Guillermo's chain. All the studios are dying for quality product. He is contracted to direct four films for Universal and that bird may have come home to roost. With the seemingly endless delays by MGM it might been deemed wise to move on. Peter might even have suggested it. It would certainly shift the game in Peters direction. He might just be able to get the green light with him as producer and a hand picked director that he trusts. It would be wise if the money moves in this direction.
But this is all conjecture though it makes sense.
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Buchanicus
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I actually really loved PJ's version of The Lovely Bones.
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Kangi Ska
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I did not like the book. The writing was second rate. I think PJ's version was much better than the poor novel (This is my opinion and I am sticking to it.) The cat and mouse game in the killers house was intense and the acting was superb. I do think that peter was working against LotR. And it seems that it is popular to dis anyone who has had success. Look at Jim Cameron. Cameron just thumbs his nose at the critics and goes on to make a few more gazillion bucks.
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Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."
"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded b*****d with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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I'm inclined to agree with you
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I think this was a fairly sudden decision. Just three days before the big announcement that he was leaving, he made these very definitive statements in a conference call about a completely different subject (the the film Splice):
“On both counts, there are no final answers. It is not greenlit. That is categorical. And 3D has been discussed literally once in the room. The budget and the schedule and everything that we are handling – the cost of the film, the number of days it would take to shoot – is being handled right now without looking towards 3D. Is there a chance it will become 3D in the future? Maybe. Right now, it’s not being planned as such.” (see here)
Why would he have made such definitive statements if he knew that he was likely to be leaving? It seems to me that he would have avoided doing so. It just doesn't square with the character that he has shown. I think something happened suddenly that forced his hand. What it was, I don't think we will ever know for sure.
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