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Compa_Mighty
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I liked District 9 quite abit... and as I've said, if Peter trusts him, so do I... chances are he also had meetings with del Toro, so he might already be up to speed on the project and what Guillermo wanted.
Judging by the last several years, the short list of directors that have Jackson's full artistic trust are: del Toro, Spielberg, Cameron and Blomkamp. With GDT out, I believe the choice is rather obvious, if we see it from that point of view.
Blomkamp's uber-breakout? Perhaps!
Let me stress once again I am almost sure there's input from Spielberg and Cameron in this pre-pre.production face... that can only be good.
Here's to Del Toro becoming the Irvin Kershner of Middle Earth!
Essay winner of the Show us your Hobbit Pride Giveway!
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Mmmmmmmoney is what get's a film made.
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What myriad of reasons? He (Guillermo Del Toro) was clear in his post that the MGM situation prevented him from going further as a director on the project. Remember that he is still a writer on the project. If he was so fundamentally opposed to how the film was being handled then why continue on as a writer? Since all films are born out of the story, screenplay I don't think he would stick with a project he didn't believe in... especially since he stated that leaving was one of the hardest decisions he has ever had to make. Remember that he is also under contract with other studios for other projects and the window of time for other projects are beginning to close.
In the spirit of honest debate, as you have asked for, how would Blomkamp be an easy pushover? District 9 was a movie set in a country that allowed apartheid and analogized that situation with aliens. A white South African making a film about apartheid... not a pushover. And oh... it was nominated for an academy award... something rare for such a small budget film that had an unpopular topic, that somehow captivated audiences and did well.
There has been no news of "unrelenting pressure" for 3D in The Hobbit. Guillermo Del Toro said it was talked about literally once.
Neil Blomkamp isn't an inexperienced director... the fact that D9 went as far as it did is because of experience... has everyone forgotten that a major studio was going to sink millions into a Halo movie with him at the helm... and that was before D9.
I'm sorry but I couldn't help but laugh as I read your post. OF COURSE you are allowed your opinion, OF COURSE you can disagree but frankly a lot of what you are saying is not based in fact, which is what honest debate is founded upon.
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Jun 19 2010, 6:51am
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It is a wise guess he would do it especially when...
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You line up the dots and connect them. For example: Sam Raimi is out because of the wizard of oz prequel he just signed onto. Alfonso Cuaron is out because he started pre-production on his film "GRAVITY." David Yates said he is not doing it. Neil is the only I can see being available to do this. Also PJ doesn't want to do it out of feeling like he is going up against himself. I guess we'll see.
Maybe Guillermo was meant to just write the hobbit and PJ was meant to direct it. And that is an encouraging thought.
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Yes, there may still be some ok things about these movies but one thing is for sure, it's not as hard for me to wait for them to come out anymore. Even though GDT did not originally have the passion for or knowledge of the material you just knew he would make it work and it would have been so very cool. With PJ we would still have a director with the passion for Tolkien and the material knowledge and that just seems too important for this project. I feel there is just too much potential for diminished quality now. I cringe at the liberties that may be taken with the story and the lack of richness we may experience. If they are just looking to make money and get some product out they might make a healthy sum in it's initial theatrical run but the die hard Tolkien fans won't be going to it more than once and may not be keen to buy home versions in any format if they don't "feel it". I mean it you moles who may be reading. Take this very seriously. Do not put out a "just add water and stir" version of this story. Very many of us can taste the difference.
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I'm beginning to lean toward this position, sadly.
It really does feel like a window of opportunity has been missed.
Whatever...it's only a movie, right?
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Yay! I'd personally be in favor of this. I voted for him on the poll of the main page.
It just makes sense to me that Peter would choose a guy he's familiar with and trusts to handle the material. Of course, it'd be lovely if Jackson would direct it himself but he's clearly stated that he's not going to.
I see nothing wrong with giving Bloomcamp a chance. He's only made one big movie, but that movie was amazing!
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Okay, if some of you laughed at my posts before, you're really going to laugh now, becauseI'll either come off looking like a total naieve jerk or way off the mark, out of touch, take your pick, but I hope what I say has some merit.
I've been trying to put this into words longer than I can say.Beneath all the anger, all the bitterness and the outrage, lies a deppand still-abiding sadness, a sadness that I think may never fully fade...not as long as I enter a theater or open up a magazine, let alone pop in a DVD.
I discivered Guillermo Del Toro's work almost 5 yrs ago when I entered a theater ans saw "Pan's Labyrinth." (an experience I am forever grateful to God I was able to do in a theater and not just on TV...it makes all the difference.)Sincethen, I've followed him on his website, Del Toro Films, http://www.deltorofilms.com . I lurkedf ro 2 yrs, then began posting about 3 yrs ago. I went to GDT School and followed the beginning of what I saw as his natural progression upwards in Western film, chronichling his three-prongedshutting between Mainstream Hollywood, the Spanish-Americsan cinema hybridshe created, and the lstly the beaurgeoning Mexican-Spanish Axis of blossoming artists that the Oscar success of PL has enabled to bring forth. I got to know, and will continue to know, a great bunch of people, a msall close-knit family of 45 people or so, and have been eld down strange paths, including meeting a couple of the great man;s artistic entourage. All the while I read his once in a while posts, full of the curious enthusiasm of a little kid, and then when he was announced as director of TH I gleefully followed him over here, seeking to get more people from both sites posting on the other one ( an experiment that had had only modest success.) I was convinced I had something more than special..something you don't see very often.
The trhing that has fascinated me about G is the battle he has spent the past 15 or so yrs fighting between the 2 halves of himself, as expressed in the 2 poleshe currently operstes within: the mainstream cdommercial side and the Spanish-language side as expressed in Chronos and the Spanisj Civil War Dualogy. (one of his "wish list" projects with Universal is the third inststallment of this supposed trilogy, but it does not excite me as much as the other two...for reasons I will explain later.) Disgusted with Hollywood after the experienceof Mimic, he went back and began making his own iconoclastic pieces, indulging in the subtelty, depth and lyricims he felthe was denied in Hollywood. Most directors would have stropped there, bur G felt there was an antrinsic need to operate in both spheres, that one needed the other...and not just to pay the bills or have one be leverage for the other, Except for PL, none of these felt to me fully complete. In PL he found a premis--that the adult mind needed fantasy more than the child and fantasy is a treasure that is needed and must be preserved at all costs, and the way for an adult is to begin by opening your mind to wonder. (thus I interpret it.) His last work before TH would have been was Hellboy 3, which far from being as good as many thought, was for me in retrospect an outpouring of frustrsation at the confines he was caged in, a yearning for a larger canvas to paint in. Thus the over-boiling cauldrom of creatures in the Troll Market. He was rattling the bars of the Hollywood cage and yearned for someting more. No matter the fun, seeing it now, you can tell his soul was not invested in it...
And then like a ripe plum from the sky, "The Hobbit" fell from the Movie Heaven. I don;t think for him it was just a career move...all comments at fim festivals to the contrary. He did not fake that pic with PJ.
One of the things that most excited me over these many months was not only the impending opportunity to witness how Del Toro planned to merge his 2 warring selves possibly into something new, in cinematic terms, but how he was going to finally have not omly a large enough canvas to stretch out upon and bring his formidable intellect to bear, but how the high-profile natureof TH was going to open up whole new worlds, potentially, for so many. We who not know him from DTF and were introduced to him through hos osts here, got to know the incredible depth of his knowledge. Many people may be abkle to drop the names of obscure poets, painters, authors and even gamers and musicians at the drop of a hat, but I doubt many of the current crop of directors in Hollywood, let alone their clients, browese old bookstands and can sucessfully connect a gamer with a poet, or an author with a..well, another osbscure author, and find artistic ferment and unity in such ideas. And it was not just online. Many's the time I've opened sa magazine over the past 3 yrs and found that G had an endearing habit of "relapsing" and letting slip the most oscure names and titles into interviews with mainstream publications.) How many times I've found myself thinking, "I can't WAIT to see the cover story in TIME magazie or Entertainment Weekly where he talks about Dos Passos or some unkmown German writer from 1902, and their novella about vampires." (etc etc.) And say, if LOTr was anything to go by, the "twilight" fangirls all fall in love with whoever plays Bard and want to read every article his picture is in, and are inspired to Google this German guy and read his poetry!" A silly idea, biut never underestimate the powers of peer influence on a teen..I speal from some experience. You'd never find me today with a heavy tome of Joyce under my arm (but yes, on my bookcase:), but I can always remember the distinct thrill of discovering "Ulysses" at the age of 12, simply b/c I went on an Irish binge b/c my new (and still favorite) musicians were U2.And I wanted to knoe every name any band member said in an interview. To this day, omly Harold Bloom's musings about "the snot-green sea" on the Matello Tower remain embedded in my brain (O alas!)
Silly? You betcha. What were the chances of this happeninfg with gneral audiences for TH? Maybe in America, slim...but you never know. However, the chances of some 10 yr old Russian child being led to it were great, if they didn;t know them already. How many kids in Thailand or Brazil will flock to Drood? We shall see...IF it gets made.
And that is the real revolution we hall sadly never get now. Del Toro is that rarest of breeds operating anywhere near the commercial mantream today: the one whose foundation continues tio be the Written Word. He is a truem Renaissance Man, a true intellectual, a throwback to an earlier time beofre the last 2 generations of film-mkaers when immersion in their parents; libraries was the norm and visual media were a new and yet still distant phenomenon. Listening to a GDT DVD Commenatary was fior me often like what a DVD comeatary would be if DVDs were around when Bergman or SanijatRay or Jean Coctueau were in their artistic prime. (that's what I felt Del Toro had a chance at being: the next Jean Cocteau...or bigger...PL was his "Beauty And The Beast." Beautiful haunting score and all.)
Except that with TH, he;d be splashing his Old World intelect upon the biggest of global broadcasters and influcenicng countless millions at the most jhigh-profuiler level as a result. Many times I;ve caught myself thinking, "WHAT is this guy stilldoing making horror films and ghiost stories? He should be making stuff likr Dr. Zhivago, instead." But alas....that Hollywood he had a chance of rasing from the dead. Not so now. Commerical clout is all, and omnly by rising to the highest commerical level can you be affodedthat scope and freedom. Gone now.)
The last 2 generations of Hollywood giants came of age and were the most heavily influenced not by the wriotten word, but by its 2nd generation anticideents--radio, TV, fiolms of all sorts. Pulp novels. And now, video. Blomkamp, PJ, Cameron, Spielberg--they all drop the names of film directors and TV shows more readily then authors and painters and poets for the most part. OH, there's the occaisonal Milius who seems to have that Old Worldism, but they are few and far between. This and G'd book illustrator past, the Notebook, his Brothers Grimm mentality that did not seek (unlike Spielberg with ET, for example) to candy-coat life by suggesting that there could be any easy subsitute for the loss of loved ones, who was afriad to show the lonely place the world reallywas and our honest attempts to deal with it--well...That mentality is different too. At least otdayit is. He is behind his times.
Could this have made a differnece? This big global canvas to splash his PL sensibilities on (for I am convincedhe was reaching for new ground with TH scripts--tobring a PL sensibilty to ME at the same time he was going to attemopt a sweeter, sadder and wiser tale that was a step higher than anything we;d ever seen--he was going to reach for nww ground and none of the projects he;d been offered come cloee.
Let'ssee what Universal has on trhe table for him, as per his sugggestion and theirs. First up: 2 remakes: one of Frankenstein, the other of Dr Jekyll and Mr Hide. Reamkes of film that have bave been done to death. Oh, he;d do a great job, but they're REAMKES. Nuff said.
Hellboy 3: reportedly, that's not goong to end happy. And you can;t help thinking, that the oroject doesn;t sound so fun anymore after TH that never was, but a big coming down. Drood: the most OScar potential of the bunch, but the least likely to be greenlit, now that Gi sno longer :the director of TH." It;s a murder mystery set in the catacoms of London and follows a fantasy interpretation of the last 5 yrs of Charles Dickens's life. Anyone who's read Drood will think it has some potential but then again, it;s still ofmurder mystery about CHARLES DICKENS. (I've read it , but will spare the full plot.) And finaly, the project closest ot G';s heart, and for wh9hc hw is REALLY waiting for, his lifelong dream: HP Lovecraft's story ":At The Mountians Of Madness" (ATMOM). An uncanny King Kong-like tale set in deepest Antarctica in the early 1930's that bears an uncanny plot resemblance to Tolkien's 2 Moria chapters--with much the same result. I love readng it over and over, savoring the Tolkien-like richness of cartograpjhy, richness of diescrptivedetail, and the slowe unfloding of the taler like an onion peeling, as well as the claustrophobia as I follow the 2 main characters through the Dead City and the horrors within. Del Toro;s dream is fim parts of this in Antarctica. IMO, any studio woulod jump to do this for the director of TH", but not, now, sadly, GDT, who to his dying day will bear the title of "the gut who was going to direct TH>'
If directors were plants, then I propose the follwing: that Camkeron is a tough, hardy coral; Spielberg is a solisd evergreen or a seasoned oak treee growing at the edge of his ET Cali subrub.
DelToro is the delicately blossoming flower on the tree branch at the end of PL< saying gently in the enchanted forest. Blomkamp is a new weed glistening with the morning dew, pushing up defiantly through the rubble of one of his myriad waste heaps in the steaming pike of rubbish that comnprises the New Hollywood. )sory I pull no piunches.:).
The blossom is fragile, opening subtely; it is a fleeting thing, itspetals falling yet being born again in the same spot, it is at peace with iself in the duality and chagefulness of the forest, for all its apparent stillness. Knowing death as well as life and passing of the seaons, in dignity and maturity, it is there, dappled with the gentle sunlight of the opasclent woods; heairng the cries of the animals, the hnt and the catching of prey, it remaims. It has ;earnede to accept sadness and stillness, and yet is niot at peace with them; but at times it is at peace with the enchanted forest.
The young weed ihas itsown flaring wisdom, its own keen authority--
but--BUT--
We inhabit all the more a noisy world of slums, of cities, of suburbs and the weeds and trees that dwell there. Hollywood is full of fungus-covered scrub oak. The forests of the world, with their gentle sad blossoms, are being lost; paved over, their stillness and subtelty drowned in a sea of idle chatter, electronic garble, and the cruch-crunch of booted feet. So the people; so the driectors--and their crews.
We need to reconnect with the lost enchanted forest sagain, with their whispered words, their ancient ghosts--invoked by such as Del Tor with his old musty tomes and their forgotten mysteries. For me, the cinematiccities and suburbs of the New World hold no further mysteries.
TH and Middle -earth is the forest and the blossom that are being lost. One dayit may be ready for the brash breath of the current world--but not yet.
Not at BEST anyway.
We hada happy chance at that--and that richness, we have forever lost.
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Jun 19 2010, 10:55am
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Don't despair before you've even watched District 9
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Yeah, it's gory, but who would have ever thought PJ could direct LotR after seeing Brain Dead? District 9 has incredible heart. Blomkamp makes us totally sympathize with and root for a pack of aliens who don't have anything approaching human faces, and he turns a nerdy doofus into a believable hero. If he's a good enough director to do that, then he's a good enough director to put the gore aside and give us the Hobbit movie we want.
I, for one, am hopeful that this rumor will turn out to be true. I'd certainly rather have Blomkamp than Yates. I barely even remember the Harry Potter movies, and I loved the books.
Those left standing will make millions writing books on the way it should have been. --Incubus
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Sunflower
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Jun 19 2010, 11:06am
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FYI I have stayed up most of the night rewriting a long post I had lost. That gibberish you just read (SORRY FOR typos--nodding off and have to log out) is a pale echo of what I first first had but had to get the bare bones of it down before I turn in, so it isn't lost. I can go from there tomorrow.
The flower and branch stuff, the Old World stuff I'll elaborte on tomorrow night. As well as explain about G and his crew too. And a lot of other things.
In case you are tmepted to comment: reading that--I am NOt saying Cameron, Spielberg etc are all are like the othe flora that chokes Hollywood these days--I don't call *them* fungus-covered scrub oak.(Before I get 20 angry replies.) I cal lthem the more common trees that represwnt the soothing common media that have superceded books the past 50 yrs. And esp Old stories.
Amnd I have some comments on the way you can advantage of fame and commerical clout. Blomkamp cose a much more conventional route to success. He wouls have got s nom entually...it was Del toro who needs the "legup" more,
For now--good night.
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Vangalad
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once again PJ,his team and everyone that succeeded in making LOTR a very good movie trilogy. Now,as for the hobbit,i was eagerly awaiting it's transfer into film but less thrilled than i was with LOTR. Furthermore,after GDT's departure( whom i considered the most suitable director),it feels like the director chair quest is under a rush.Whoever jumps in to direct, will more likely IMO do it without any previous involvement and preparation for the project,he will be in most terms unfamiliar with the world and stature of middle-earth and his respect for Tolkien and his devotees will be in doubt.
As we know GDT was not a big fan of Tolkien,but had great passion to deliver his vision of the particular fantasy realm along with a solid story through the book's lore and so he spent many months building his relationship with middle-earth.Then the obstacles of MGM grew strong and for some other personal or not reasons,he left and the production never started.
Now the new director, after PJ unwillingness to step in,will pick up what GDT left and in some months start shooting with the blessings of WB studios(whatever this means).N.Blomcamp is a fresh sci-fi director with his own way of filmmaking and i can't judge him by having seen only one movie.I can't say that he couldn't do the bobbit justice but i have doubts.Doubts for the artistic and sentimental effort he could give to this huge project.
I really hope we will someday see two good hobbit films but i hate to witness once more the fatal interference of studios,their lust for profits,their economic troubles and the let down of the fans.Poor product quality,lesser esthetics,money,...part of the hollywood system.
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Kangi Ska
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Jun 19 2010, 11:35am
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Here is to Blomkamp's uber-breakout. I refuse to despair. The Hobbit will happen. It has taken seventy years to get to this point. Everything is ready to make it the greatest fantasy film(s) of all time. It just might be that Neill was meant to have the job.
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I can't comment on Neill Blomkamp's films 'cos I know nothing about them. If he does turn out to be the new director then I shall take it as read that Peter Jackson thinks he's up to it and can work well with him and both of those seem like plus points to me.
I would prefer to see PJ take it on himself but if he really doesn't want to I suppose that rules him out. (I don't see, though, why there has to be any sense of competition between these films and LotR, and if it were me and I did see The Hobbit as competition, I have to say I'd much rather be my own competition than hand the new film on to someone else - but maybe that's just me.)
Even more, I'd really love to see Fran Walsh do it and I've noticed over the last few weeks that her standing in the 'who do you want to see as director' poll has risen steadily. But again, if that's not to be... (though maybe there is still just a little window for hope.....)
But if it does turn out to be Neill Blomkamp then I say good luck to him, and I for one will carry on hoping for a really good film with heart and soul and hobbits and dwarves, that takes me back to Middle Earth for a few magic hours. There's no point pre-judging him - I don't know what he can or will do with The Hobbit. More important - most important - I don't think any of us knows so far what feeling he has, if any, for Tolkien's writing in general in 'The Hobbit' in particular. I really do hope that whoever directs this film cares passionately about the source material. Favourite books aren't safe in the unfettered hands of a Hollywood studio. They need people around who really know and care for them and want to make a film adaptation for its own sake, not just for the money.
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Kangi Ska
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Jun 19 2010, 1:30pm
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OK You wany to hear about the feaver I have had for the past 5 days.
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Yes I am begging for sympathy. At one point I forgot my own street address. I have only lived here for 20 years. So yes I do know the difference and am sorry I am not performing at my usual level of incompetence.
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Jun 19 2010, 1:49pm
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I think yoiur overemphsizing some potential problems....
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As far as studio interference goes remember PJ is still going to be producing and argeubley in a much stronger position now than he was as director in LOTR to get his way. That may lead to potential problems between creative talents but I highly doubt it will lead to the studio cutting back on the budget or getting the final cut.
Blomkamp may not be vastly expereinced but D9 was far from a typical debut film, while maybe not a megablockbuster the production was still pretty dam big involving many of the aspects he'll have to deal with in The Hobbit(large cast, stunts, CGI, location work etc).
Honiestly if the problem was that PJ was stepping on GDT's toes too much then Blomkamp seems like he might be a good replacement. I'd guess the working relationship in D9 was not THAT deep but they have worked together before and a new name might be a bit more accommodating(not that I blame GDT for not being so if its the case) for Jackson.
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Kangi Ska
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as it saves me the effort. You could not be more correct about D9. When Guillermo announced his departure two names leapt into my mind: Alfonso Cuarón and Neill Blomkamp. I knew Peter Jackson was out there but I figured if he was going to take over the directors chair he would have done it then.
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Jun 19 2010, 1:56pm
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We do not know Neill Blomkamp's knowledge of Tolkien.//
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...the irony of that post.  I thought perhaps you did that on purpose as a joke. Get well soon.
Pre-Pre-production goes ever on and on...
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Kangi Ska
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Still feel a little hazed over but have to face two 12 hour overnight shifts this weekend. I may be writing gibberish by Monday.
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Jun 19 2010, 2:37pm
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Another rumour, right.
So, I will say something the day everythign is offical XD
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Does anyone know if Blomkamp ever posts? It would be great if he was as open with us a G was. I suppose up until now he has had no real reason to be on here, (besides liking LOTR) but if he is officially announced as director I hope he opens a dialog with us.
Personally I found the main character of D9 unlikeable, which kind of ruined it for me. But perhaps I should watch it again as I've only seen it once.
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Ainu Laire
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Jun 19 2010, 3:15pm
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You know, same thing was said after PJ said he wouldn't direct
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That is, the whole "I don't want it directed anymore". But you saw little of that once we got used to Guillermo a few months in.
I imagine that, for the most part, we'll get used to whoever the new director is.
I loved District 9 and think Blomkamp, if he is a fan of Tolkien (I really want someone who at least has read the Hobbit and liked it), would be a cool choice. If anything, it's someone PJ has already worked with and can help guide along.
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