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News from Bree
spymaster@theonering.net
May 23 2010, 4:13am
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Crumbses and Tidbits: "Hobbit" Start Date, Casting, 3D Discussions
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 Nikki Finke over at Deadline.com seems to have some new information that even the Eagles, ahem, the rest of the inerweb hasn't caught wind of yet. Reporting on Peter Jackson's plans for the new King Kong 360 3D attraction at the Universal Studios Hollywood studio tour, she digresses to update fans on a few things "Hobbit", all seeming to indicate that serious matters are ongoing even as we wait and watch and speculate.
On The Hobbit front, I'm told that both scripts are in, that discussions are underway right now to determine if they'll shoot in 3D. (I think it's inevitable). They will set everything in place in a New Zealand powwow next month, and then casting will begin for a November start.
There seems to be no indication that the uncertainty surrounding MGM's situation is impeding the progress on these films in any way (yet), but as reported recently by the Wall Street Journal and by our friend and messageboard member Kristin Thompson over at her blog The Frodo Franchise, MGM's creditors do indeed seem to be close to a plan to resolve the studio's financial woes.
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Elladan
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May 23 2010, 10:11am
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This seems like good news, right?
Though I am sure many people will be annoyed at the 3D prospect. Has GDT ever shot a film in 3D? How different is it to regular shooting? Do you need to synchronise multiple cameras? My main concern is how obvious the difference will be between the Hobbit and tLotR, I cant imagine retrospective 3D will ever be as good as using it from the word go. Still as long as the go with the Avatar approach and make it almost unnoticeable it should be a problem for the film as a stans alone entity.
So when they say casting after the "pow wow" do you think that means casting announcements, locking people in, or officially looking for people. Was the current casting process officially anounced or did it just kind of leak out?
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RaoulJ
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May 23 2010, 10:39am
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Great news.. If it's real.. But about the 3d I'm not so happy.
Of course nothing is set in stone. We have received numerous mentions of shootingdates, never true.
But about the 3d, "Still as long as the go with the Avatar approach and make it almost unnoticeable it should be a problem for the film as a stans alone entity". Do you mean not to much jumping-out scenes? Because I can't imagine it being great. Avatar 'worked' because the movie was completely cg. When you look at the other 3d-movies, 3d sucks. Okay, most of them are post-3d'd (Alice, Titans) but that new danceflick 'Dance to the streets 3d' or something was terrible (and not just the story ;)). And that was filmed in 3d.
At this point; I don't want 3d.
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Elladan
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May 23 2010, 10:50am
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Yeah I dont see the appeal of 3D
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But about the 3d, "Still as long as the go with the Avatar approach and make it almost unnoticeable it should be a problem for the film as a stans alone entity". Do you mean not to much jumping-out scenes? Because I can't imagine it being great. Avatar 'worked' because the movie was completely cg. When you look at the other 3d-movies, 3d sucks. Okay, most of them are post-3d'd (Alice, Titans) but that new danceflick 'Dance to the streets 3d' or something was terrible (and not just the story ;)). And that was filmed in 3d.
At this point; I don't want 3d.
Yeah I meant without stuff flying at you. The only 3D part of Avatar I conciously noticed was the bits of floating detritus just in front of the screen, weather that was dust, blossom or leaves. The only other good thing I can think of with 3D is the fact the whole screen is in focus, so you can look anywhere. All though I have only seen avatar and nothing else so its possible I may be mistaken.
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Leviathan's Bane
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May 23 2010, 1:16pm
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...worth any recognition has been filmed in 2D. Save 3D for the novelty flicks whose sorry storylines need candycoating in order to be "successful."
The Hobbit doesn't need that...
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dormouse
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May 23 2010, 2:11pm
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I agree with all three of you...
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If it becomes 3D it will be marketed as 3D rather than as Tolkien, and that seems a shame to me. Recent experience suggests that 3D is the one special effect which overwhelms every other consideration.
Besides, with a combination of Tolkien, Guillermo del Toro, Peter Jackson, Weta and actors so far unknown, 'The Hobbit' will be far too strong to need it and I'd love to see them stand out against the novelty and create a real, enduring adaptation using effects that don't push to the front and shout for attention.
Still, it really is good to feel that something is happening at last (and for a while I can go on hoping that 'I think it's inevitable' is only what Nikke Finke thinks.... ;) )
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shadowdog
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May 23 2010, 2:16pm
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And what about those who can't watch 3D? Will they print special editions in 2D and will theaters show it in 2D with the higher prices they can charge for 3D?
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Kangi Ska
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May 23 2010, 2:29pm
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The possible application of 3-D to the upcomming Hobbit films
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offers little in the way of real enhancement of the finished product. It is generally distracting for most and really problematic for a large percentage of the audience. Finally, the enhanced ticket prices for 3-D showings are an exploitation of the movie going audience. IMHO, if you want to make a lot of money making films do not rely on fads & gimcracks. Make great films with great scripts, great acting and great cinematography. Save the 3-D for cartoons, video games and totally computer enhanced and generated movies. The Hobbit which hopefully will be primarily a pair of live action films set to a large extent in a natural environment (as were the three Lord of the Rings films) will benefit little visually from being forced into a 3-D format.
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macfalk
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May 23 2010, 3:00pm
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Watching Avatar in 3D was a distracting experience. When finally watching Hobbit for the first time, the last thing I want to do is to fiddle with the 3D-glasses.
I think people are already tired of 3D.
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Kangi Ska
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May 23 2010, 3:10pm
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It would be really nice to get official confirmation of this or any other start date!
Kangi Ska
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Oiotári
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May 23 2010, 3:13pm
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the first time I saw a 3D movie, I thought it was pretty cool... but that wore off pretty quickly
plus, if TH is in 3D what will gramma do about the price tag?
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chrism628
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May 23 2010, 3:26pm
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I don't understand all the fuss about 3-D. If they decided on making it 3-D, no problem because those who do not want to see it in 3-D can just as easily watch the non-3-D version. 
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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May 23 2010, 3:31pm
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And on this issue, there is hardly an overwhelming consensus either way. I think people are pretty much split evenly on it.
'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'
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macfalk
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May 23 2010, 3:49pm
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Actually we aren't split evenly on it
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We had a poll on this matter at the front page where the "no" side won with 70 % vs 30 % for the "yes" side. If I recall the numbers correctly, of course.
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Oiotári
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May 23 2010, 3:55pm
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so not evenly spilt, but hardly unanimous
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I get the impression that the pro-3D side just doesn't speak up as much
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Oiotári
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May 23 2010, 4:05pm
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listen to our voices
you make a good point though
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Elven
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May 23 2010, 4:16pm
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Interesting - but I'll wait for confirmation before I start hyperventilating //
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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May 23 2010, 4:20pm
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Based on comments made in the discussions
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People here are roughly evenly split. Regardless of what any poll on the front page said.
'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'
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Kangi Ska
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May 23 2010, 4:23pm
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That would be your opinion of course
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as it contradicts the only measurement we have.
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macfalk
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May 23 2010, 4:23pm
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This thread has 20 replies - the poll had 10,000 votes~
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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May 23 2010, 4:47pm
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First of all, I'm not talking about "this thread" but rather the extensive discussions that have gone on on this messageboard in the past few months about the subject, in which, contrary to Kangi's rather rude assertion, has objectively been roughly split between those in favor of 3-D and those against. I don't know whether you are correct or not as to whether there was a poll with 10,000 votes on the front page or what the result was, but in any event those anonymous votes don't speak for this community.
And I must say that exchanges like this make me much less interested in being a part of this community myself.
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Oiotári
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May 23 2010, 4:48pm
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