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the_argonath
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Apr 1 2010, 6:33pm
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SCOD - The Chaaaarge!
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Hello, welcome to my second and final SCOD of the week. This shot shows Gandalf & The Rohirrim charging on Helm's Deep to come & rescue Theoden's armies.... (Kind of a goosebump moment for me!)
Larger Image - I love the fact that the bright, new light is coming from where Eomer’s riders are. Any comments on the lighting (or even highlighting) used in this scene?
- Here we really get a sense of how enclosed Helm’s Deep is with the surrounding mountains. Would this be a help or hindrance, taking into account the road into the caves at the rear?
- Does this shot offer the correct sense of the scale of the battle for you, since it's the "big battle" of the movie?
- And, finally, any other comments?
Thanks again guys, and a very Happy Easter to you all 
~*Haudh-en-Ndengin the Elves named it, the Hill of Slain, and Haugh-en-Nirnaeth, the Hill of tears... the earth beneath which the swords of the Eldar and the Edain crumbled into rust*~
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Lothlorian
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Apr 1 2010, 10:43pm
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I am struck by the thought that though the high ground is considered a tactical advantage the Rohirrim and their horses are unfortunately being aided by gravity in their headlong rush into the pikes of the Orc army. It hurts me to watch it and the other battle scenes to think of the carnage.
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Ataahua
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Apr 2 2010, 12:42am
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1. This scene a few seconds later - with a close-up of the charging Gandalf, then the sun rises over his shoulder and blinds the orcs - is a wonderful play on Gandalf the White. Why expend your own power in generating light when you can use the natural world against your enemies? It seems that nature itself is fighting against the abhorrence of the Uruk-hai.
2. It makes me think that the army that invents abseiling will have a significant advantage in attacking Helm's Deep.
3. It certainly puts into perspective the exact layout of Helm's Deep - something I could never picture from the book. It also looks like there's a lot more Uruk-hai in the vale than there appeared to be when Theoden and his handful of followers are fighting from horseback.
4. It all looks so real, doesn't it?
Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."
"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded b*****d with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.
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elvenhobbit
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Apr 2 2010, 2:25pm
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due to the colur and highlight - which imo comes from Gandalf and his staff...
its like the tide of battle changes and hope is restored (for now)
-e-
Elven by name, Hobbit by nature
'Road lead ever on and on
down from the door where it began
now far ahead the road has gone
down from where all began' -FOTR-
and through all the world has changed
the ages come and go with time
and yet those remain unchanged
unto they journey westward
over the sea...
and through it all we remain strong and true
for eternity is bonds unbroken
beyond the sea...
*****10 year LOTR fan ******
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Lily Fairbairn
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Apr 2 2010, 4:52pm
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in relation to this scene, that there's no way horses could charge down so steep a slope, that the angle was manipulated. But on our Red Carpet tour two years ago, my husband and I spoke with Chris Ruttan, the man who trained the horses for the movie and did quite a bit of riding, not least as a Nazgul.
He showed us a videotape of a group of riders urging their horses down such a steep slope, one of the many takes they did to provide the foundation for the scene as it was done for the movies. When I said to him directly, "Some of my friends say that's impossible for the horses to have done," he simply pointed to the screen and said, "There it is."
I think he and his fellow riders were every bit as expert as real Rohirrim, and that their horses were every bit as sure-footed!
This is such a great scene, with Gandalf and the white light first confusing and then charging into the Uruk-Hai!
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Do we walk in legends or on the green earth in the daylight?
A man may do both. For not we but those who come after will make the legends of our time. The green earth, say you? That is a mighty matter of legend, though you tread it under the light of day!
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the_argonath
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Apr 2 2010, 5:26pm
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Great to hear the truth from the horse's mouth... so to speak 
~*Haudh-en-Ndengin the Elves named it, the Hill of Slain, and Haugh-en-Nirnaeth, the Hill of tears... the earth beneath which the swords of the Eldar and the Edain crumbled into rust*~
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weaver
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Apr 2 2010, 5:47pm
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Looks like a painting, doesn't it?
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But then, a lot of the screencaps look like paintings to me -- these are really beautiful films. I would have to believe Tolkien would like the look of the films, even if he would take offense at a lot of the story-line changes.
I really like the moment right before this one, too, when Gandalf Eomer says "Rohirrim" and all those horseriders just gather around him in an instant. The music, here, is also pretty amazing.
As others have said, this is a very symbolic-ly treated scene, with the white light, spiritual-like score, etc. I Works for me, and I think it works for the film as well!
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Ataahua
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Apr 2 2010, 8:36pm
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of "Rohirrim! To the King!" vies with Eomer finding Eowyn on the Pelennor as my favourite scene with that character. Karl Urban just burns up the screen.
Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."
"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded b*****d with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.
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weaver
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Apr 2 2010, 9:01pm
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He has so few lines, really...
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...and scenes for that matter. But he conveys the sense that he's a fully developed character that we just get glimpses of, rather than just a plot-advancing character.
Partly I guess it's because we see him in more than just the warrior role -- interacting with Eowyn, with Gamling, with Theoden, with Grima, with Aragorn. But mostly it's because he's just darn good and can do a lot with a little bit of screen time -- and he's darn nice to look at, too, of course!
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the_argonath
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Apr 3 2010, 11:04pm
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The music just makes the scene doesn't it //
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~*Haudh-en-Ndengin the Elves named it, the Hill of Slain, and Haugh-en-Nirnaeth, the Hill of tears... the earth beneath which the swords of the Eldar and the Edain crumbled into rust*~
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Artanis
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Apr 6 2010, 9:19pm
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We watched this Saturday night. And I LOVE the way Eomer comes up behind Gandalf, it just sort of makes me want punch the air cheer. Yes, a goosebump moment if ever there was one!!! 
Artanis
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