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N.E. Brigand
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The Silmarillion and Letters from Father Christmas – Discussion Schedules
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In the Reading Room, there are two kinds of discussions.
First, there are the subjects of this thread: one or more official, organized discussions (scheduled but not stuffy!) in which participants sign up in advance to discuss a particular subject in depth over the course of a week. Usually the subject is a chapter from one of Tolkien’s best-known full-length books, and these are discussed in order. Two such lists appear below; the first is for The Silmarillion, our “primary” discussion. Typically the leader of a primary discussion posts from one to three threads daily with questions about passages from the text. Sometimes, as here, there is a “secondary discussion” that runs concurrently with this chapter discussion. The subjects of these discussions are usually more obscure, and are discussed in fewer threads, typically two to four each week. In this case, Letters from Father Christmas will be discussed over three weeks in December.
Second, there are independent discussion threads, which anyone may post at any time – with two caveats. First, one shouldn’t post new threads about the chapter or subject currently under (scheduled) discussion; and second, no one person should post so many threads as to singlehandedly overwhelm the scheduled discussions. Otherwise, as it says in the welcome message above, if you have a question about Tolkien, this is the right place to ask it!
Here is the nearly final schedule for our discussion of The Silmarillion. “Nearly” because five weeks remain open for volunteers to lead. If you wish to lead a chapter, or have questions about either discussion schedule, please post them here, or send me a PM.
>> Aug. 10-16 – Arwen’s daughter – Ainulindalë
>> Aug. 17-23 – N.E. Brigand – Valaquenta
>> Aug. 24-30 – Hamfast Gamgee – QS 1-2: “Of the Beginning” and “Of Aulë and Yavanna”
>> Aug. 31-Sep. 6 – squire – QS 3-4: “Of the Coming of the Elves” and “Of Thingol and Melian”
>> Sep. 7-13 – N.E. Brigand – QS 5-6: “Of Eldamar” and “Of Fëanor”
>> Sep. 14-20 — LEADER NEEDED — QS 7-8: “Of the Silmarils” and “Of the Darkening of Valinor”
>> Sep. 21-27 – dormouse – QS 9: “Of the Flight of the Noldor”
>> Sep. 28-Oct. 4 – weaver – QS 10: “Of the Sindar”
>> Oct. 5-11 – Voronwë the Faithful – QS 11-12: “Of the Sun and Moon” and “Of Men”
>> Oct. 12-18 — LEADER NEEDED — QS 13: “Of the Return of the Noldor”“
>> Oct. 19-25 – Pryderi – QS 14-15: “Of Beleriand” and “Of the Noldor in Beleriand”
>> Oct. 26-Nov. 1 – Morthoron – QS 16: “Of Maeglin”
>> Nov. 2-8 – Elizabeth – QS 17: “Of the Coming of Men into the West”
>> Nov. 9-15 – Saelind – QS 18: “Of the Ruin of Beleriand and the Fall of Fingolfin”
>> Nov. 16-22 — LEADER NEEDED — QS 19: “Of Beren and Lúthien” I
>> Nov. 23-29 – Beren IV – QS 19: “Of Beren and Lúthien” II
>> Nov. 30-Dec. 6 – sador – QS 20: “Of the Fifth Battle: Nirnaeth Arnoediad”
>> Dec. 7-13 — LEADER NEEDED — QS 21: “Of Túrin Turambar” I
>> Dec. 14-20 – Boromir’s bane – QS 21: “Of Túrin Turambar” II
>> Dec. 21-27 – (Break)
>> Dec. 28-Jan. 3 – (Break)
>> Jan. 4-10 – batik – QS 22: “Of the Ruin of Doriath”
>> Jan. 11-17 – drogo – QS 23: “Of Tuor and the Fall of Gondolin”
>> Jan. 18-24 – Saelind – QS 24: “Of the Voyage of Eärendil and the War of Wrath”
>> Jan. 25-31 – acheron – Akallabêth I
>> Feb. 1-7 – Menelwyn – Akallabêth II
>> Feb. 8-14 – sador – Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age I
>> Feb. 15-21 – FarFromHome – Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age II
>> Feb. 22-28 — LEADER NEEDED — Forewords, Tables, Note, Index, and Appendices
>> Mar. 1-7 – Free Discussion
(The abbreviation QS stands for “Quenta Silmarillion”.)
And here is the final schedule for our discussion of Letters from Father Christmas.
>> Dec. 7-13 – visualweasel – Letters for 1920-1931
>> Dec. 14-20 – Elizabeth – Letters for 1932-1935
>> Dec. 21-27 – GaladrielTX – Letters for 1936-1943
Thanks to everyone who signed up (or will sign up), and enjoy the discussions!
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Elizabeth
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to see a number of newcomers and relative newcomers to the Reading Room signing up for a week! It is always a pleasure to hear new viewpoints, both from discussion leaders and respondents! You are all very welcome.
And, once again, thanks to N.E.B. for organizing this!
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Hamfast Gamgee
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Sep 11 2009, 11:17pm
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If no-one else volunteers, I'll do 'Of the Silmarils,' and 'of the darkening of Valinor!'
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N.E. Brigand
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Sep 14 2009, 5:07am
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Thanks for taking on QS 19: “Of Beren and Lúthien” I, Nov. 16-22!
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I do appreciate you making this offer to lead this week's chapters that I'll be covering, and even more so, per your latest pm to me, to lead the first part of "Of Beren and Lúthien" in November, that hadn't yet been claimed. That's a great help!
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This week: "Of Eldamar and the Princes of the Eldalië" and "Of Fëanor and the Unchaining of Melkor".
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Sep 18 2009, 12:49am
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I've got the Precious, and it's beautiful!
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I ordered a used copy of the 1999 edition of Father Christmas Letters, and it arrived today, all the way from Herts, England. I quickly leafed through it and what a lovely book! It looks every bit worth the $19 I spent. I look forward to reading it with everybody.
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N.E. Brigand
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Good news! I'm glad you're enjoying it. //
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We're discussing The Silmarillion in the Reading Room, Aug. 9 - Mar 7. Please join the conversation!
This week: "Of Eldamar and the Princes of the Eldalië" and "Of Fëanor and the Unchaining of Melkor" and "Of the Silmarils and the Unrest of the Noldor" and "Of the Darkening of Valinor".
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JTM
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Sep 28 2009, 9:05am
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QS 13: “Of the Return of the Noldor”“
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Hi NEB,
I must say that I am enjoying the Sil discussions immensely- many thanks for all your work. I see that there are still a few slots left and I am feeling a bit convicted of simply benefiting from the work of others. Thus, probably against better judgment, I would like to put my name forward to do QS 13: “Of the Return of the Noldor”“.
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N.E. Brigand
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Sep 28 2009, 6:11pm
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You'll do fine, don't worry. I look forward to it!
And for general reference, an updated Silmarillion schedule:
>> Aug. 10-16 – Arwen’s daughter – Ainulindalë
>> Aug. 17-23 – N.E. Brigand – Valaquenta
>> Aug. 24-30 – Hamfast Gamgee – QS 1-2: “Of the Beginning” and “Of Aulë and Yavanna”
>> Aug. 31-Sep. 6 – squire – QS 3-4: “Of the Coming of the Elves” and “Of Thingol and Melian”
>> Sep. 7-13 – N.E. Brigand – QS 5-6: “Of Eldamar” and “Of Fëanor”
>> Sep. 14-20 – N.E. Brigand – QS 7-8: “Of the Silmarils” and “Of the Darkening of Valinor”
>> Sep. 21-27 – dormouse – QS 9: “Of the Flight of the Noldor”
>> Sep. 28-Oct. 4 – weaver – QS 10: “Of the Sindar”
>> Oct. 5-11 – Voronwë the Faithful – QS 11-12: “Of the Sun and Moon” and “Of Men”
>> Oct. 12-18 – JTM – QS 13: “Of the Return of the Noldor”
>> Oct. 19-25 – Pryderi – QS 14-15: “Of Beleriand” and “Of the Noldor in Beleriand”
>> Oct. 26-Nov. 1 – Morthoron – QS 16: “Of Maeglin”
>> Nov. 2-8 – Elizabeth – QS 17: “Of the Coming of Men into the West”
>> Nov. 9-15 – Saelind – QS 18: “Of the Ruin of Beleriand and the Fall of Fingolfin”
>> Nov. 16-22 – Hamfast Gamgee – QS 19: “Of Beren and Lúthien” I
>> Nov. 23-29 – Beren IV – QS 19: “Of Beren and Lúthien” II
>> Nov. 30-Dec. 6 – sador – QS 20: “Of the Fifth Battle: Nirnaeth Arnoediad”
>> Dec. 7-13 — LEADER NEEDED — QS 21: “Of Túrin Turambar” I
>> Dec. 14-20 – Boromir’s bane – QS 21: “Of Túrin Turambar” II
>> Dec. 21-27 – (Break)
>> Dec. 28-Jan. 3 – (Break)
>> Jan. 4-10 – batik – QS 22: “Of the Ruin of Doriath”
>> Jan. 11-17 – drogo – QS 23: “Of Tuor and the Fall of Gondolin”
>> Jan. 18-24 – Saelind – QS 24: “Of the Voyage of Eärendil and the War of Wrath”
>> Jan. 25-31 – acheron – Akallabêth I
>> Feb. 1-7 – Menelwyn – Akallabêth II
>> Feb. 8-14 – sador – Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age I
>> Feb. 15-21 – FarFromHome – Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age II
>> Feb. 22-28 — LEADER NEEDED — Forewords, Tables, Note, Index, and Appendices
>> Mar. 1-7 – Free Discussion
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N.E. Brigand
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Updated scheduled for "Silmarillion" discussion.
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Thanks to Nix for taking part one of "Túrin"!
>> Aug. 10-16 – Arwen’s daughter – Ainulindalë
>> Aug. 17-23 – N.E. Brigand – Valaquenta
>> Aug. 24-30 – Hamfast Gamgee – QS 1-2: “Of the Beginning” and “Of Aulë and Yavanna”
>> Aug. 31-Sep. 6 – squire – QS 3-4: “Of the Coming of the Elves” and “Of Thingol and Melian”
>> Sep. 7-13 – N.E. Brigand – QS 5-6: “Of Eldamar” and “Of Fëanor”
>> Sep. 14-20 – N.E. Brigand – QS 7-8: “Of the Silmarils” and “Of the Darkening of Valinor”
>> Sep. 21-27 – dormouse – QS 9: “Of the Flight of the Noldor”
>> Sep. 28-Oct. 4 – weaver – QS 10: “Of the Sindar”
>> Oct. 5-11 – Voronwë the Faithful – QS 11-12: “Of the Sun and Moon” and “Of Men”
>> Oct. 12-18 – JTM – QS 13: “Of the Return of the Noldor”
>> Oct. 19-25 – Pryderi – QS 14-15: “Of Beleriand” and “Of the Noldor in Beleriand”
>> Oct. 26-Nov. 1 – Morthoron – QS 16: “Of Maeglin”
>> Nov. 2-8 – Elizabeth – QS 17: “Of the Coming of Men into the West”
>> Nov. 9-15 – Saelind – QS 18: “Of the Ruin of Beleriand and the Fall of Fingolfin”
>> Nov. 16-22 – Hamfast Gamgee – QS 19: “Of Beren and Lúthien” I
>> Nov. 23-29 – Beren IV – QS 19: “Of Beren and Lúthien” II
>> Nov. 30-Dec. 6 – sador – QS 20: “Of the Fifth Battle: Nirnaeth Arnoediad”
>> Dec. 7-13 – Nix of Mirkwood – QS 21: “Of Túrin Turambar” I
>> Dec. 14-20 – Boromir’s bane – QS 21: “Of Túrin Turambar” II
>> Dec. 21-27 – (Break)
>> Dec. 28-Jan. 3 – (Break)
>> Jan. 4-10 – batik – QS 22: “Of the Ruin of Doriath”
>> Jan. 11-17 – drogo – QS 23: “Of Tuor and the Fall of Gondolin”
>> Jan. 18-24 – Saelind – QS 24: “Of the Voyage of Eärendil and the War of Wrath”
>> Jan. 25-31 – acheron – Akallabêth I
>> Feb. 1-7 – Menelwyn – Akallabêth II
>> Feb. 8-14 – sador – Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age I
>> Feb. 15-21 – FarFromHome – Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age II
>> Feb. 22-28 — LEADER NEEDED — Forewords, Tables, Note, Index, and Appendices
>> Mar. 1-7 – Free Discussion
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Hamfast Gamgee
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Sorry to be awkward, but I don't think I'll be able to start of Beren and Luthien directly on Nov 16th as that is going to be one busy day for me, I have to be up very early to see the Doctors and as such I will have to go to sleep early as well! Can I start it on the 21st or 23rd whichever is better. Not sure whether the times apply to mine or California's!
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Hamfast Gamgee
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Sorry for any understandable confusion, I meant I can start that week, but I'm not sure I can on that particular day, I can start a day earlier, the 15th or a day later the 17th, thanks! 
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Elizabeth
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You can start a day earlier. If you are preparing your posts ahead of time, you can send a few of them as text files to one of us (I'm willing to help) and we'll post them during the time you're away. Starting as late as Wednesday crowds things a little, but so long as we know it's coming that's ok.
(My on personal opinion, of course, but over the years we've done all sorts of things to help with RL issues! Everyone has them!)
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N.E. Brigand
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Nov 14 2009, 2:35am
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Yes, you can start on the 15th or 17th.
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Thanks for letting us know -- and sorry for a slow response! What Elizabeth said is quite correct.
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Hamfast Gamgee
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Thanks! Next obvious question is where does part 1 of Beren and Luthien end and part 2 begin? Might I suggest at the death of Finrod? It's about half-way and a signifigant moment!
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N.E. Brigand
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Your portion of "Beren and Lúthien" covers the text from the beginning of the chapter through the sentence, "But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar".
The next discussion leader begins with the text "Now Beren and Lúthien Tinúviel went free again and together walked ..." and continues to the chapter's end.
For reference, here are the dividing points for the other split chapters in our discussion:
Dec. 7-13 -- QS 21: "Of Túrin Turambar" I (ending with "rumour spoke only of the Black Sword of Nargothrond.")
Dec. 14-20 -- QS 21: "Of Túrin Turambar" II (beginning with "In that time of respite and hope, when because of the deeds of the Mormegil")
Jan. 25-31 -- "Akallabêth" I (ending with "and the name of his queen he changed to Ar-Zimraphel.")
Feb. 1-7 -- "Akallabêth" II (beginning with "The mightiest and proudest was Ar-Pharazôn the Golden")
Feb. 8-14 -- "Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age" I (ending with "and he took no visible shape again for many long years.")
Feb. 15-21 -- "Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age" II (beginning with "Thus began the Third Age of the World, after the Eldest Days")
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Do you know that a lot of your very interesting replies to my threads are coming to my account as Spam. This is certainly not my intent and I would like to know if there is a way of stopping this! Although I suppose it will stop automatically when I have finished my reading week!
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N.E. Brigand
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**Volunteer needed for next week's "Letter from Father Christmas" discussion.**
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Visualweasel has to bow out, with the new job and all.
Anyone want to take over on the Letters for 1920-1931 (ten in all) next week, Dec. 7-13?
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What, no more Bored of the Rings threads?
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Please!
”’Farewell, Lady of Dor-Lomin; we ride now with greater hope than ever we have known before...‘
...and the sun glittered on fifty blades as they leaped forth, and the court rang with the battle-cry of the Edain of the North: ’Lacho calad! Drego morn! Flame Light! Flee Night!‘
Then at last Hurin sprang into his saddle, and his golden banner was unfurled, and the trumpets sang again in the morning; and thus Hurin Thalion rode away to the Nirnaeth Arnoediad.“
- The Children of Hurin, ch. 1.
For the hopes and their dashing, for valour and defeat, for the fair morning, the baleful nightfall, and the hope that Day will come again – join us in the Reading Room this week.
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Dec 6 2009, 2:33pm
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I've been jotting down questions and thoughts
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as I read through it. Maybe we can make this a group thing?
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...I'm able to cover the first week myself, as it turns out. But I look forward to your responses, including any further questions you wish to ask as we proceed!
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Who instigated the latest round. I'd also been thinking about the BotR threads, especially since it's really my turn to do them!, but work, company in the house, and too many RL things going on frustrated any efforts.
Muchas gracias, squire!
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"It struck me last night that you might write a fearfully good romantic drama, with as much of the 'supernatural' as you cared to introduce. Have you ever thought of it?"
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Guilty as charged, yer honor. //
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