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dernwyn
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May 20 2009, 1:43am
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The Unofficial Bored of the Rings Discussion, Chapter II: Three's Company, Four's a Bore - IV
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We come to the end of this chapter - and the end of the ultimate parodies of Tom and Goldberry's rhymes!
Frito guardedly told him that they were on their way to Whee, but had become lost. "Can you tell us how to find our way there?" "Oh wow, oh sure," laughed Tim, "thad's easy. But led's split to my pad firz, I wan' yoo meet my chick. She name Hashberry." The boggies agreed, for their stores of potato salad were gone. Gathering their packs, they curiously followed after the wildly zigzagging Benzedrine, who occasionally halted to rap with a likely looking rock or stump, giving them time to catch up. As they circled through the menacing trees aimlessly, Tim Benzedrine's throat croaked merrily: "O slender as a speeding freak! Spaced-out groovy tripper! O mush-brained maid whose mind decays with every pill I slip her! O mind-blown fair farina-head, friend of birds and beetles! O skinny wraith whose fingernails are hypodermic needles! O tangled locks and painted bod! Pupils big as eggs! O flower-maid who never bathes or even shaves her legs! O softened mind that wanders wherever moon above leads! O how I dig thee, Hashberry, from nose to sleazy lovebeads!" -Compare potato salad to cram, Beorn's honey cakes, lembas, and/or any other source of sustenance. Would you call it a "comfort food"? -Why would Tim want to "rap with a likely looking rock or stump"? -Compare this ode to Hashberry to Tom's ode to Goldberry.
A few moments later they broke into a clearing on a low hill. There was a ramshackle hovel shaped like a rubber boot with a little chimney that emitted a thick fog of sick-looking green smoke. "Oh wow," squeaked Tim, "she's home!" Led by Tim, the company approached the unprepossessing little hut. A flashing white light blinked from its only window, at the top. As they stepped over the threshold, littered with cigarette papers, broken pipes, and burnt-out brain cells, Tim called: "I've brought four with me to crash, So now's the time to pass the stash." From the smoky depths an answering voice returned: "Then celebrate and take a toke, To make us giggle, gag and choke!" At first Frito saw nothing amid the iridescent wallpaper and strobe candles but what appeared to be a heap of filthy cleaning rags. But then the pile spoke again: "Hither come and suck a pipe, Turn thy brains to cheese and tripe!" And then, as the boggies squinted their smarting eyes, the heap stirred and sat up revealing itself to be an incredibly emaciated, hollow-eyed female. She looked at them for a second, muttered, "Like wow," and fell forward in a catatonic stupor with a rattle of beads. "Doan' let Hash bug yoo," said Tim. "Tuesday is her day to crash." -Does a boot seem fitting for Tim's house? Is this another apparition of fairy-tales gone wrong? -Do you appreciate the rhyming banter between Tim and Hashberry? Why not? -I think the pun on "day to wash" is quite clever. What about you?
Somewhat bewildered by the acrid fumes and the flashing candles, the boggies sat crosslegged on a grimy mattress and asked politely for some grub, as they had journeyed far and were about to devour the ticking. "Eats?" chuckled Tim, rummaging through a handmade leather pouch. "Jes' hang loose an' I'll fimb somp'un f'yoo. Lemmesee, oh, oh wow! Dint know we had any this left!" Clumsily he scooped out the contents and set them in a bent hubcap before them. They were among the most dubious-looking mushrooms Spam had ever seen, and, rather rudely, he said so. "These are among the most dubious-lookin' mushrooms I'm ever a-seeing," he stated. Nevertheless there were few things in Lower Middle Earth Spam hadn't idly nibbled and lived to tell about, so he dived in, stuffing himself loudly. They were of an odd color and odor, but they tasted okay, if a little on the moldy side, and after that the boggies were offered round candies with little letters cleverly printed on them. ("They melt in yoor brain, not in your hans," giggled Tim.) Bloated to critical mass, the contented boggies relaxed as Hashberry played a melody on something that looked like a pregnant handloom. Mellowed by the repast, Sam was particularly pleased when Tim offered him some of his "own speshul mix" for his nose-pipe. An odd flavor, thought Spam, but nice. -A very clever way to insert the hobbits' love of mushrooms, isn't it! Would they have these kinds of 'shrooms in the Shire? -What kind of instrument is Hashberry most likely playing? -What is a "nose-pipe"?
"Yoo got about ha'f an hour," said Tim. "Wanna rap?" "Rap?" said Spam. "Yoo know, like . . . talk wif your mouf," replied Tim as he lit his own pipe, a large converted milk separator laden with valves and dials. "Yoo here 'cause th' heat's on?" "In a manner of speaking," said Frito judiciously. "We've got this here Ring of Power and--oops!" Frito caught himself, but too late; he could not unsay it now. "Oh groovy!" said Tim. "Lemme see." Reluctantly, Frito handed over the Ring. "Pretty cheap stuff," said Tim, tossing it back. "Even th' junk I pawn off on th' dwarbs is bedder." "You sell rings?" asked Moxie. "Sure," said Tim. "I gotta sandal-and-magic-charm shop for th' tourist season. Keeps me in stash for winter months, y'know whad I mean?" "There might not be many of us left to visit the woods," said Frito quietly, "if Sorhed's plans are not foiled. Will you join us?" Tim shook his hair. "Now doan' bug me, man. I'm a conscienshul objectioner . . . doan' wan' no more war. Came here to dodge draff, see? If some cat wants to kick th' stuffing outta me, I say, 'Groovy,' an' I give 'em flower an' love-beads. 'Love,' I say t' him. 'No more war,' I say. Anyway, I four-F!" "No more guts!" growled Spam under his breath to Moxie. "No, I god guts," said Tim, pointing to his temple, "no more braims!" -What kind of contraption is Tim's "pipe" supposed to represent? -What do you think of the use of "unsay" here? -Doesn't Tim's opinion of Frito's Ring eerily resemble Tom's attitude? -Would you consider Tom to be "4-F" (unfit for armed service)?
Frito smiled diplomatically, but was suddenly stricken by a severe stomachache. His eyes began to roll and he felt very light-headed. Probably a touch of the banshee two-step, he thought as his ears started to ring like a dwarf's cash-register. His tongue felt thick, and his tail began to vibrate. Turning to Spam, he wished to ask him if he felt it too. "Argle-bargle morble whoosh?" said Frito. But it did not matter, for he saw that Spam had oddly taken it into his head to change himself into a large, pink dragon wearing a three-piece suit and a straw boater. "What did you be sayin', Master Frito?" asked the natty lizard with Spam's voice. "Ffluger fribble golorful frooble," said Frito dreamily, thinking it strange that Spam was wearing a boater in late autumn. Glancing at the twins, Frito noted that they had changed into matching candy-striped coffeepots perking away like mad. "Don't feel too well," said one. "Feel sick," clarified the other. Tim, now a rather handsome six-foot carrot, laughed loudly and changed into a coiled parking meter. Frito, dizzy as a great wave of oatmeal flowed through his brain, grew heedless of the puddle of drool collecting in his lap. There was a noiseless explosion between his ears and he watched with terror as the room began stretching and pulsating like Silly Putty in heat. Frito's ears began to grow and his arms changed into badminton rackets. The floor developed holes out of which poured fanged peanut brittle. A score of polkadotted cockroaches danced a buck-and-wing on his stomach. A Swiss cheese waltzed him twice around the room, and his nose fell off. Frito opened his mouth to speak and a flock of flying earthworms escaped. His gall bladder sang an aria and did a little tap dance on his appendix. He began to lose consciousness, but before it ebbed completely, he heard a six-foot waffle iron giggle, "If yoo dig it now, jes' wade till th' rush hits you!" -What does Frito mean by "banshee two-step"? -Do you appreciate the pun of cockroaches dancing a "buck-and-wing"? -Tom B. took the hobbits on a "trip" through a full day of tales and legends. Is this "trip" which Tim is taking the boggies on, appropriate to their circumstances?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "I desired dragons with a profound desire" "It struck me last night that you might write a fearfully good romantic drama, with as much of the 'supernatural' as you cared to introduce. Have you ever thought of it?" -Geoffrey B. Smith, letter to JRR Tolkien, 1915
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May 20 2009, 4:56pm
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Compare potato salad to cram, Beorn's honey cakes, lembas, and/or any other source of sustenance. Potato salad definitely goes bad far quicker. Say, two hours. Would you call it a "comfort food"? Potatoes in a mustard and mayonnaise base? You bet! -Why would Tim want to "rap with a likely looking rock or stump"? He’s high, man. -Compare this ode to Hashberry to Tom's ode to Goldberry. They both seem like they’re on something. -Does a boot seem fitting for Tim's house? Most the druggies I knew in the 1970s kept their stash in their boot, especially when going through customs. Also “boot the gong” used to mean “smoke pot”. Just “boot” or “booting” was taking a drug. -Do you appreciate the rhyming banter between Tim and Hashberry? Kind of reminds me of the 1960s duets between Bob Dylan and Joan Baez. Why not? I liked Joan Baez’ parody of Bob Dylan’s “Simple Twist of Fate” on her album “Diamonds and Rust”. She basically sang a Dylan/Baez duet all by herself. Hilarious! -I think the pun on "day to wash" is quite clever. What about you? ”Wash Day” was the first track on Penny Nichol’s 1960s album “Penny’s Arcade”. (Penny Nichol was a sort of lesser Melanie. Or vice versa.) A “crash-pad” or “pad” is a temporary place to sleep. It seems to be borrowed from commercial aviation, refering to a common apartment alternately shared by multiple trans-continental flight crews. The situation was parodied in the 1965 Tony Curtis/Jerry Lewis comedy "Boeing Boeing". -A very clever way to insert the hobbits' love of mushrooms, isn't it! Would they have these kinds of 'shrooms in the Shire? Sure. Even in Austin every time it rained there were mushrooms all over peoples’ lawns. Homeowners would have to be quick or they’d find a group of college students squatting in their front yard eating the mushrooms and getting high, whether the mushrooms were actually hallucinogenic or not. -What kind of instrument is Hashberry most likely playing? A sitar, like George Harrison played in “Norweigian Wood”, which ironically refers to cheap presswood paneling. David Crosby (of The Byrds, Crosby, Stills, and Nash, Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young, etc.) was the one who introduced Harrison to Ravi Shankar and the sitar. -What is a "nose-pipe"? A “tobago”, or Y-shaped pipe used for snorting powdered substances. (The lower part of the Y goes into the powder, the two upper stems go into the nostrils.) Some types can also be used to smoke tobacco, cannabis, opium, cocaine, etc. It's a more "primitive"/"natural"/"antiestablishment" pipe than the more familiar European tobacco pipe. -What kind of contraption is Tim's "pipe" supposed to represent? The various types of Rube Goldberg contraptions 1960s drug users constructed to ingest drugs. -What do you think of the use of "unsay" here? How can I unsay the things I said to you? How can I undo the things that we used to do? Tell me how can I unfeel the way I feel for you? How can I unlove you? How can I untight the hold that you got on me, When you won't unchain my heart and set me free? How can I unremember every memory, So how can I unlove you? I'll never never uncry tears that I cried when you said goodbye, No, I'll never never unmiss the thrill that I missed when we used to kiss. How can I unsay the things I said to you? And how can I undo the things that we used to do? Tell me how can I unfeel the way I feel for you, How can I unlove you? -Joe South, who also played backup guitar on Bob Dylan's album "Blonde on Blonde" and Simon and Garfunkel's album "Sounds of Silence". He also wrote hit songs for Billy Joe Royal (Down in the Boondocks), Paul Revere and the Raiders (Birds of a Feather), and Deep Purple (Hush). His own big hit was "The Games People Play". -Doesn't Tim's opinion of Frito's Ring eerily resemble Tom's attitude? I think that’s the point. -Would you consider Tom to be "4-F" (unfit for armed service)? If he has brain damage, yes. (Though he could probably get into West Point, Annapolis, or Colorado Springs.) -What does Frito mean by "banshee two-step"? Diarrhea, or “Aztec Two-Step”, a condition well known to druggies smuggling cannabis across the Mexican border. -Do you appreciate the pun of cockroaches dancing a "buck-and-wing"? The term has at its root an offensive racial epithet. -Tom B. took the hobbits on a "trip" through a full day of tales and legends. Is this "trip" which Tim is taking the boggies on, appropriate to their circumstances? It has as much relevance to the story as Bombadil’s.
****************************************** The audacious proposal stirred his heart. And the stirring became a song, and it mingled with the songs of Gil-galad and Celebrian, and with those of Feanor and Fingon. The song-weaving created a larger song, and then another, until suddenly it was as if a long forgotten memory woke and for one breathtaking moment the Music of the Ainur revealed itself in all glory. He opened his lips to sing and share this song. Then he realized that the others would not understand. Not even Mithrandir given his current state of mind. So he smiled and simply said "A diversion.”
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sador
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May 21 2009, 6:12am
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Compare potato salad to cram, Beorn's honey cakes, lembas, and/or any other source of sustenance. Would you call it a "comfort food"? Depends on just how much mayonnaise you put on it. But this guys are really silly! If the had so many potatoes, shouldn't they have left some for making vodka? Why would Tim want to "rap with a likely looking rock or stump"? It's Hashberry's day to crash. Compare this ode to Hashberry to Tom's ode to Goldberry. I'm waiting for squire! Does a boot seem fitting for Tim's house? Do you mean with his sandal-shop? Do you appreciate the rhyming banter between Tim and Hashberry? No. Why not? I'm sober. I think the pun on "day to wash" is quite clever. What about you? It goes two steps. The first is a rude misreading of "Goldberry's washing-day"; the second is a typical BotR gag. Yes, it is quite clever. A very clever way to insert the hobbits' love of mushrooms, isn't it! Would they have these kinds of 'shrooms in the Shire? Would they run the risk of Maggot's dogs for mere portobellos? What kind of instrument is Hashberry most likely playing? I think a sitar (had to look up the spelling). What is a "nose-pipe"? A pipe for inhaling by the nostrils? But it reminds me of the nosethingers-nosefingers debate. Of course, "nosethingers" is far more offensive. What do you think of the use of "unsay" here? Actually, it sounds quite ordinary. Some things are better left unsaid. Doesn't Tim's opinion of Frito's Ring eerily resemble Tom's attitude? Yes, with the exception that Tom doesn't bother with dwarves. Would you consider Tom to be "4-F" (unfit for armed service)? He's playing his role well. But most military psychologists would see right through him. One you manages to get the upper hand of dwarves in bartering, must be pretty sane. What does Frito mean by "banshee two-step"? I thought it was a reference to Siouxie_and_the_Banshees; but apparantly I've missed by a decade. So I don't know. Do you appreciate the pun of cockroaches dancing a "buck-and-wing"? No. I fact, I don't appreciate anything which has to do with cockroaches. Tom B. took the hobbits on a "trip" through a full day of tales and legends. Is this "trip" which Tim is taking the boggies on, appropriate to their circumstances? Yes; they're stuck in this awful book - the least they can do is to make the best of it! Thanks for leading us through this chapter, dernwyn! O slender as a speeding freak!
"There's nothing in the feeling of weight in an idle toss-pot's arms." - Galion
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GaladrielTX
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May 22 2009, 12:32am
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Munchies, musical instruments, etc.
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-Compare potato salad to cram, Beorn's honey cakes, lembas, and/or any other source of sustenance. Would you call it a "comfort food"? Potato salad won’t keep nearly as well as the other items. Plus you can’t eat it with your hands very tidily. But, yeah, the carbs in the potatoes are pretty comforting and the mayo is like a pillow on your tongue for the flavors to float on. I just had some with my lunch today, BTW. -Why would Tim want to "rap with a likely looking rock or stump"? He’s communing with nature, or maybe he’s hallucinating and thinking they’re sentient creatures. I don’t have any personal experience with this type of thing. After I’ve retired with no more workplace drug tests and I’m eighty years old, I’m going to bribe an orderly in the nursing home to get me some LSD, or else I'll go driving down to the bad part of town with my other elderly girlfriends in a pink Caddy and score some. Get back with me on these questions then. ;o) -Compare this ode to Hashberry to Tom's ode to Goldberry. Unfortunately, I don’t have the Tolkien verse with me. I do recall that Goldberry is also slender and golden-haired. She likes flowers. She also presumably wears jewelry (Tom gives her the brooch from the barrow), although Tolkien makes no mention of lovebeads. Does a boot seem fitting for Tim's house? Is this another apparition of fairy-tales gone wrong? I think you’re right about the fairy-tales. Plus most boots are leather which is kind of natural. -Do you appreciate the rhyming banter between Tim and Hashberry? Why not? As banter, it’s not witty, except the topic makes the verses funny. -I think the pun on "day to wash" is quite clever. What about you? Cleverer than me, evidently. I didn’t get it till you pointed it out! -What is a "nose-pipe"? There is a flute native to some Pacific islands that fits over the nose, and you blow through it that way. I actually had a plastic toy nose flute at one time. Here again, though, the writers are making a drug-based pun because Tom’s nose-pipe isn’t a musical instrument, nor is it meant for blowing into, rather the opposite. -What kind of contraption is Tim's "pipe" supposed to represent? No idea. Milk separators may be one of those things that are before my time. ;o) -What do you think of the use of "unsay" here? Sounds Tolkienish. -Doesn't Tim's opinion of Frito's Ring eerily resemble Tom's attitude? They’re a little different. Tim is dismissive of it because of its poor workmanship while Tom seems amused by it. Regarding both of their reluctance to join the quest, unlike Tim, I don’t think Tom refrains from engagement with the world because of any strongly held principal or fear. He’s just not interested in it. -Would you consider Tom to be "4-F" (unfit for armed service)? There doesn’t seem to be anything physically wrong with him that detoxification couldn’t fix. -What does Frito mean by "banshee two-step"? At first I thought it must be something like the green-apple two-step, but I thought that was a euphemism for diarrhea. Instead, Frodo sounds like physically he’s just dizzy. -Do you appreciate the pun of cockroaches dancing a "buck-and-wing"? You can’t appreciate it if you’ve never heard of anything like it. :o)
~~~~~~~~ The TORNsib formerly known as Galadriel.
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squire
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May 25 2009, 5:09am
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-Compare potato salad to cram, Beorn's honey cakes, lembas, and/or any other source of sustenance. Would you call it a "comfort food"? Well, it’s comfort food if you grew up with it. The joke is that (unlike cram, honey-cakes, and lembas) it is the worst travel food conceivable, because of the spoilage problem with the mayonnaise, etc. -Why would Tim want to "rap with a likely looking rock or stump"? The question is, what makes one rock or stump more “likely looking” than another? I think this phrase is projecting us into Tim’s head – only Tim can distinguish likely from unlikely, much as only an Australian aborigine can follow his tribe’s dream-trail across a formless red desert. This validates Tim’s perception to us, and forces us to believe that, just possibly, he really is rapping with the objects in question. This kind of thinking was very common in the 1960s, and can still be found at various institutions of higher learning, where Tim is now Head of Department. -Compare this ode to Hashberry to Tom's ode to Goldberry. Well, the obvious comparison is between Tim’s ode to Hashberry, and Frodo’s to Goldberry (not Tom’s). "O slender as a speeding freak! Spaced-out groovy tripper! O slender as a willow-wand! O clearer than clear water! Both begin with “O slender as a…” which drives home the target of the parody. Throughout, the meter and scansion, rhyme scheme (AABBCC…) and rhetorical devices (“O…” begins each statement; exclamation points at endings) of the original are copied by the parody. O mush-brained maid whose mind decays with every pill I slip her! O reed by the living pool! Fair River-daughter! But the first line of the parody does not repeat the “O…” phrase twice in one line, as in the original. Rather Tim jumps right to the second line of the original, pairing “Spaced-out groovy tripper!” with “Fair River-daughter!” There is an unpleasant suggestion here that Tim keeps Hashberry as a kind of drug-slave, as he “slips” pills to her that destroy her rationality. O mind-blown fair farina-head, friend of birds and beetles! O spring-time and summer-time, and spring again after! Along with all the drug imagery, there is a fair amount of “nature child” language in the parody, to echo Goldberry’s role as a nature sprite – but see how “friend of birds and beetles” twins traditional bird praise with some relatively disgusting insect imagery (although might we find a pun here with the Beatles?). Farina-head. Farina is a kind of warm wheat cereal. Nice variation on the overused “mush” with reference to drug-addled brains. O skinny wraith whose fingernails are hypodermic needles! O wind on the waterfall, and the leaves’ laughter!’ This one is a little creepy, since needles represent relatively hard-line drug use like heroin, far more destructive even than pills and pipes. The use of “wraith” confirms this, in the context of a Lord of the Rings parody, since the Ringwraiths are certainly interpretable as self-destroyed addicts. And again, BotR sneaks in authentic Tolkien vocabulary (“wraith”) here while forbearing to use it in the main comic text. O tangled locks and painted bod! Pupils big as eggs! O flower-maid who never bathes or even shaves her legs! O softened mind that wanders wherever moon above leads! O how I dig thee, Hashberry, from nose to sleazy lovebeads!" The addition of four extra lines shows where the BotR authors cut loose from Frodo’s original. They are getting in a few more jokes at the expense of female hippies. Tangled locks, painted bod, never bathes or shaves, lovebeads: all refer to the common complaints that “straight” men projected onto women who adopted counter-culture ways of living. The next to last line continues with the nature-imagery in mockery of Tolkien – going where the moon above leads (“I’m being followed by a moon shadow” – Cat Stevens, 1971) is practically pure elvish. This is also a bow to the traditional female connection to the moon, I judge. -Does a boot seem fitting for Tim's house? Is this another apparition of fairy-tales gone wrong? It really doesn’t go with the drug imagery that is Tim’s primary theme. It is a take-off on the “old woman who lived in a shoe.” I’m surprised it was not some kind of psychedelic school bus. -Do you appreciate the rhyming banter between Tim and Hashberry? Why not? I really resent the suggestion that I would not appreciate their banter. This is serious sh**, and I seriously appreciate every colon, semi-colon, and appendix that makes this the gut-wrenching literary purge that it is. -I think the pun on "day to wash" is quite clever. What about you? “‘This is Goldberry’s washing day,’ he said.” – excellent catch! As with a lot of this stuff, I can’t quite decide whether the authors did it on purpose, or lucked onto the serendipity express. -A very clever way to insert the hobbits' love of mushrooms, isn't it! Would they have these kinds of 'shrooms in the Shire? Yes, another great catch! I never made the Maggot/Benzedrino connection before! As a climax to the entire episode, I notice that Tim is plying the boggies with psychotropic mushrooms, LSD, and hashish. -What kind of instrument is Hashberry most likely playing? I guess something like the sitar, the Indian variant of guitar made famous by Beatle George Harrison in the late 1960s. Or as the “pregnant” imagery suggests, perhaps a lute. But the main gag is that it’s large and involved – a joke about hippies seeking “high-technology” devices to experience medieval pleasures. -What is a "nose-pipe"? Others have made excellent suggestions. Along with the fact that some cultures actually do use pipes for the nostrils, there is a feeling here of mild disgust, since the mucus of the nose must inevitably coat the nose-piece of such a pipe. -What kind of contraption is Tim's "pipe" supposed to represent? It’s a bong or water-pipe of some kind. The joke is just the same as with Hashberry’s loom: super high technology sought out by American hippies who cannot forego their basic urge to find the biggest, best machine for the problem at hand. -What do you think of the use of "unsay" here? Once again, nice catch! Just when you think the parody has forgotten Tolkien altogether, you get a little thrill of pleasure from something like this. -Doesn't Tim's opinion of Frito's Ring eerily resemble Tom's attitude? Yes, and notice how many words have been expended by fans trying to figure out what Tom’s attitude toward the Ring means. The BotR authors cut to the chase, and tell us: it means nothing! (which Tolkien pretty much admits, too, in one of his letters.) -Would you consider Tom to be "4-F" (unfit for armed service)? Absolutely. Although I’m sorry to see Spam break character here, just to set up a classic spoof of the typical hard-hat reaction to hippie draft-dodging. -What does Frito mean by "banshee two-step"? As has been mentioned before, it is a term for diarrhea. -Do you appreciate the pun of cockroaches dancing a "buck-and-wing"? What pun? -Tom B. took the hobbits on a "trip" through a full day of tales and legends. Is this "trip" which Tim is taking the boggies on, appropriate to their circumstances? Well, it’s certainly the logical conclusion to the chapter, given who Tim is. And as you say, the Tom chapter ends with the hobbits going on Magical Mystery Tour such as only Tom can give; so having the boggies do the equivalent with Tim is a perfect structural match. It is interesting to read the details of Frito’s trip. I can’t actually say how much of it is an accurate account of an LSD trip, and how much is a parody; I suspect it’s about 50-50.
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May 25 2009, 12:15pm
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You're right, it is Frodo who sings Goldberry's praises. I shall excuse myself by noting that, in doing so, Frodo so resembled Tom, that it was difficult to tell the difference. Why else would Goldberry be laughing when he finished? Indeed, she was quite an influence for BotR: "But I see you are an elf-friend; the light in your eyes and the ring in your voice tells it." (Italics mine...or Kennedy & Beard's...) "Friend of Byrds and Beatles"! Eight miles high, definitely. Excellent catch! As for that "buck-and-wing", I'd thought it a groaner that they had insects participating in a dance which contained "wing" in its title. However - Darkstone mentioned something about a "racial epithet" being part of the term, so I did a bit of research, found numerous explanations for the "buck" part (some racial, some not), discovered the "pigeon wing" was a type of can-can dance, and that nowadays a buck-and-wing is considered legitimate tap-dance. The things one learns when studying Tolkien!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "I desired dragons with a profound desire" "It struck me last night that you might write a fearfully good romantic drama, with as much of the 'supernatural' as you cared to introduce. Have you ever thought of it?" -Geoffrey B. Smith, letter to JRR Tolkien, 1915
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May 25 2009, 12:30pm
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With red potatoes, Vidalia onion, crunchy celery...I think I'll cook some up today! Those are most interesting plans for your "old age", but by that time, what the heck, why not! (Does UT know about this? ) Tim must have been very clever, in order to figure out how to smoke anything through something that looked like this:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "I desired dragons with a profound desire" "It struck me last night that you might write a fearfully good romantic drama, with as much of the 'supernatural' as you cared to introduce. Have you ever thought of it?" -Geoffrey B. Smith, letter to JRR Tolkien, 1915
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May 25 2009, 12:39pm
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Now that is a trip! Potatoes to vodka: considering how quickly potato salad can go bad, especially when left in the hot sun on a picnic table for a full day, they probably didn't need to distill it to get the "effect" of a bottle of vodka!
O slender as a speeding freak! Well, not exactly slender, but "speeding freak", yeah! Thanks, these are always fun!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "I desired dragons with a profound desire" "It struck me last night that you might write a fearfully good romantic drama, with as much of the 'supernatural' as you cared to introduce. Have you ever thought of it?" -Geoffrey B. Smith, letter to JRR Tolkien, 1915
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May 25 2009, 1:39pm
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Yes, potato salad does go bad fairly quickly - but that's only if there's any left! Interesting thought about the symbolism of the "boot" as another drug reference. Bob Dylan and Joan Baez? Now you've got me realizing that Tim does sound like Dylan! Can't be coincidence! I've got a brother in Austin, will have to ask him about mushrooms on his lawn...he was part of the late '60s "culture" at the Texas universities, but he'll probably deny any knowledge! (He does have a stone - not stoned - bunny in his garden, a present from my kids a few years ago, so he wrote a story about it, taking pictures of it in several locations, and sent "Bunny's Big Day" to me as a birthday present the following year. I love that guy.) Haven't heard that Joe South song in ages! Darkstone, you have an amazing repository of relevant trivia.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "I desired dragons with a profound desire" "It struck me last night that you might write a fearfully good romantic drama, with as much of the 'supernatural' as you cared to introduce. Have you ever thought of it?" -Geoffrey B. Smith, letter to JRR Tolkien, 1915
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May 25 2009, 9:22pm
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What's funny is the variety of milk separators that are out there, from the very simple to your deluxe model. Which looks like a cross between Nomad and R2-D2! Very nice contraption, every hippie should have one.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "I desired dragons with a profound desire" "It struck me last night that you might write a fearfully good romantic drama, with as much of the 'supernatural' as you cared to introduce. Have you ever thought of it?" -Geoffrey B. Smith, letter to JRR Tolkien, 1915
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