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Ataahua
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May 4 2009, 10:08pm
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Update on The Dambusters.
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PJ's started some pre-filming work, and there's a photo here of a replica Lancaster bomber that he's using.
Full story.
(Just note that the story includes the name of the squandron leader's dog near the end of the article.)
Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."
"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded b*****d with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.
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squire
Gondolin
May 4 2009, 11:20pm
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It is shocking how many times I come across the N-word in English literature of the mid-20th century. One of my favorite novelists, Nevil Shute, in his mystic time-travel story In the Wet gave his hero that nickname. It was given him by his chums, from his being one-quarter Australian aborigine. Shute uses the word elsewhere too, in the documentary sense - his novels report that English folk very commonly used the word as a mild term of (ahem) denigration -- although one senses that Shute himself would never be so rude as to use it.
It is very encouraging to see the Lancaster mock-up. A magnificent plane. One that, I recently learned, was the only other heavy bomber besides the B-29 that was capable of carrying the atom bomb in 1945 -- and the B-29 was the newer plane by about five years! The British offered the Americans a few to perform the mission, but were (of course) rebuffed!
I hope this movie works out! King Kong was kind of a disappointment to me. "Overproduced, underwritten" would be my verdict. Perhaps Dambusters and Lovely Bones will get Jackson back on track.
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silneldor
Gondolin
May 4 2009, 11:50pm
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I found some interesting information
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on the Lancaster Bomber that some may like to see:
Landcaster Bomber
And here is a B-17 of ours that it was compared to that i saw at an air show last summer just about to take off:
B-17
''What connects Nature to the spiritual, or requires the presence of the latter? In positive terms, as Alkis Kontos points out, when nature was still largely experienced as integral, alive and active, 'It was the spiritual dimension of the world, its enchanted, magical quality that rendered it infinite, not amenable to complete calculability; spirit could not be quanified; it permitted and invited mythologization.' And I would add, it still is and does.''
Patrick Curry-Defending Middle-Earth-Tolkien: Myth and Modernity - chapter: 'The Sea: Spirituality and Ethics.'
May the grace of Manwë let us soar with eagle's wings!
In the air, among the clouds in the sky
Here is where the birds of Manwe fly
Looking at the land, and the water that flows
The true beauty of earth shows
With the stars of Varda lighting my way
In all the realms this is where I stay
In the realm of Manwë Súlimo
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Compa_Mighty
Dor-Lomin
May 5 2009, 1:13am
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Perhaps Dambusters and Lovely Bones will get Jackson back on track. I do like King Kong, but it does feel like a vanity project that PJ loved bringing to the big screen. But I want to see storytelling taking the lead again, and I think he'll do it with these two. Although when it comes to PJ, 'back on track' could mean slasher zombie horror movies... 
I saw it last week for the first time... at times it felt PJ was trying to pump epic-ness (?) from where there was none... too long, too self-indulgent. I was going to write a post about how the visual outcome of the dinosaurs might make us question what the outcome of Smaug will be, but I thought it was a moot point to discuss. Anyway, we'll have to see how Lovely Bones does, but I guess the genre by itself could save it from a couple of potential problems.
As for Dambusters... well, I can almost see some slow motion scenes with ethereal chorus music while mute shouts announce the despair of some pilots as their companions are taken down.
Nothing against PJ, but it definitely wasn't up to par with Lord of the Rings... then again, he might never do anything of to Rings again, and we'll have to learn to cut him some slack... death by excellence? We'll have to see.
On a side note... after writing what i just wrote, I just fully understood why he decided he wouldn't direct The Hobbit... and it just might have been the wisest choice for every party interested... including ourselves.
Here's to Del Toro becoming the Irvin Kershner of Middle Earth!
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grammaboodawg
Elvenhome
May 5 2009, 2:50pm
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I love that Peter's making another film
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that he's been wanting to do for so long. I'm also thrilled to see Christian River's directing it. I can't imagine what that guy has learned from all his years of working with Peter. What a collaboration!
I'm also excited about District 9 coming out soon. That looks like a classic in the making ;)
And The Lovely Bones. What a lineup! Excellent :D
"There is more in you of good than you know, child of the kindly West."
~Hug like a hobbit!~ "In my heaven..."
I really need these new films to take me back to, and not re-introduce me to, that magical world.
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Elberbeth
Dor-Lomin
May 5 2009, 8:24pm
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as it is a great story. I listened to the audio-book a while back and liked it very much.
As for the dog, when I was little we had a pony by that name (because of his colour) and it was also in the rhyme "eeny meeny miney mo", as some of you from my generation might remember. And then there's the Brazil nut ...
"There are some things that it is better to begin than to refuse, even though the end may be dark."
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Doriath
May 5 2009, 8:42pm
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When I was at school (aged around 12, before the hormones really kicked in!) I was a rgeat fan of the Lancaster. The father of a friend of mine had flown in them in the war, and one day she brought his actual pilot's log book into school, and cockpit diagrams. We were entranced. I had a Lancaster Airfix kit hanging on string from my bedroom ceiling, along with a Spitfire, a Sopwith Camel and a Messerschmidt? (can't even spell it now!)
The Dambusters was a brilliant film, and I'm wary of a remake to be honest; but perhaps it will appeal to another generation and keep the memory alive. As for the dog's name, well if Guy Gibson used Nigsy from time to time, that's as good as any I guess.
One of the very few - perhaps even the only? - Lancaster still flying came to the Mersey River Festival a few years ago, and it was impressive to see - and hear - it over the Mersey. I wasn't alive in the war, but there's something about those planes, and the sounds of the old sirens, that just twists my gut.
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Jun 22 2009, 10:18am
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I do not like Peter Jackson's King Kong, because as a '33 purist, I find the changes of Kong's character - and the entire tone of the movie - from a monster movie, nightmarish horror film that should have had audiences running screaming out the theatre into a love story. I did not like this, nor do other fans of the original Kong.
He adapted LOTR very accurately to the books, just a few changes here and there. He didn't have to make Skull Island into another Middle-earth. He didn't have to have three V-Rexes rolling around the jungle with karate chops and judo flips.
As an incredible fan of '33 himself, and seeing how he captured the tone and feel of Middle-earth perfectly, he could of done the same for King Kong in keeping the tone and grand aspects of the original unchanged, therefore, in my opinion, it was a wasted opportunity. Not to seem harsh or anything, but we know for sure his abilities with horror. He could have made something so groundbreaking with King Kong, but he chose not to. It kept switching tones, IMO, too. One minute it was scary, one minute it was funny, for five minutes Ann was petrified, then she does a dance for him and her and Kong become best buddies. Sorry, it doesn't do it for me, PJ.
So now, us Kong purists await another remake in 30 years(100th Anniversary of the original). Hopefully, this time, done right. And it's no secret I have aspirations to become a filmmaker. I am already writing a screenplay of my own for the ideal King Kong movie. You never know, I may just get there and make it someday.
King Kong and Tolkien - My, PJ has good taste!
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