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BigBird
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Apr 17 2009, 6:08pm
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News about the second movie
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From Empire's 20th edition:
“We’ve decided to have The Hobbit span the two movies, including the White Council and the comings and goings of Gandalf to Dol Guldur,” says Del Toro.
“We decided it would be a mistake to try to cram everything into one movie,” adds Jackson. “The essential brief was to do The Hobbit, and it allows us to make The Hobbit in a little more style, if you like, of the [LOTR] trilogy.”
So there you go. The second film will not, as had previously been suggested, a film that will bridge the 60-year gap between The Hobbit and the start of Fellowship Of The Ring. http://www.empireonline.com/.../story.asp?NID=24610
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Mithrandír
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Apr 17 2009, 6:19pm
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Arwen's daughter
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Apr 17 2009, 6:34pm
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If they're announcing they're using White Council material
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Does that perhaps mean they've spoken with Christopher Lee and Cate Blanchette about returning in some fashion? It seems like they wouldn't want to mention that until they knew they had everyone on board. Unless, of course, they've decided to write Saruman out 
We've known for quite a while that The Hobbit wouldn't be contained within the first movie. The media outlets seems to have a hard time keeping up with us 
And welcome to TORn BigBird! Thanks for the article, it's nice to have some news.
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Mithrandír
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Apr 17 2009, 6:48pm
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That I have had some kind of talk with them...
Another point,
It seems better to make one big story told over a two movie span, than to make two "separate" films. It's easier to manage the script and it's easier to tell the story or the most memorable moments from not only the hobbit but from the stories about gandalv and it would be easier to fit an alobaration on the white council scene. The story telling will probably be better this way.
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Darkstone
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Apr 17 2009, 7:37pm
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So there will be three movies.
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The Hobbit as two movies, and then an original prequel.
So I wonder who will be doing the third?
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Snaga
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Apr 17 2009, 7:38pm
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That sounds about perfect to me.
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While I would love to see a "bridge movie", I never wanted to see it made if it was done so at the expense of The Hobbit.
Now if the Quest of Erebor and some of the other material from "Lost Tales" had been available I think a bridge movie would have been pretty appealing.
Additionally, I think there will be plenty of potential wiggle room in the script writing to actually bridge the two stories anyways.
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DiveTwin
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Apr 17 2009, 7:40pm
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Was guessing they might go in this direction. I wonder if they will weave in any other story along with Gandalf's trips to Dol Guldur?
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Mithrandír
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Apr 17 2009, 7:48pm
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i think it means two films, not three
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I think the point was that instead of making a bridge movie they incorporate some of the possible story for a prequel into one storyline, in which the hobbit will be the main story..a more extensive hobbit movie that follows a couple of more stories than just the story in the hobbit book...but that remians to be seen of course.
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Darkstone
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Apr 17 2009, 7:59pm
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To make
1. The Lord of the Rings (which they made into three movies with stuff from the appendicies)
2. The Hobbit (now being made into two movies with stuff from the LOTR appendicies)
3. An original prequel.
I don't see Hollywood giving up a cash cow. Even if the two Hobbit movies bomb terribly we can expect a cheapo direct to video original prequel.
Indeed, that's the fate New Line had planned for TTT and ROTK if FOTR had bombed.
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The audacious proposal stirred his heart. And the stirring became a song, and it mingled with the songs of Gil-galad and Celebrian, and with those of Feanor and Fingon. The song-weaving created a larger song, and then another, until suddenly it was as if a long forgotten memory woke and for one breathtaking moment the Music of the Ainur revealed itself in all glory. He opened his lips to sing and share this song. Then he realized that the others would not understand. Not even Mithrandir given his current state of mind. So he smiled and simply said "A diversion.”
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Mithrandír
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Apr 17 2009, 8:02pm
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well, it will probably be redundant in PJs eyes i guess...since he and GD is doing their best now in covering the events in the hobbit and other related stories. It seems unlikely that the two will be involved in another third film. Which means that Ian, and the other actors probably wont see the point in participating in yet another film. It will be a huge financial gamble for new line i think. It seems unlikely to me that some other director and writer could find a relevant story which doesnt involve some the story that already has been incorporated by PJ and GD. And whats the point in making a new film when it in fact has already been made. You have to have some kind of continuity in the story between the hobbit and a bridge film, which means that a third film must use some the same story. Reduntant.
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Darkstone
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Apr 17 2009, 8:09pm
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I'm sure he'd jump at the chance to write and direct.
Unfortunately.
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Matchstick
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Apr 17 2009, 8:14pm
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Just Smaug and the Lonely Mountain could make a pretty stunning movie on its own. I'm glad they decided to take advantage of a nearly unprecendented opportunity to adapt a book and take their time telling the story. There's plenty in the Hobbit to make two movies.
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Mithrandír
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Apr 17 2009, 8:21pm
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lets hope not! the man who was behind the most crappy film in vampiremovie history, bloodrayne.
To be honest i can't see a serious script being made that doesn't some how involve much of the same story that PJ and GD is writing on now. But of course, some damn fool might agree to make a third film if it involves a big pile of green.
My vote says no third film. given that it will be without pj and his crew.
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Apr 17 2009, 8:24pm
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Are we going to go through this again?
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To make
1. The Lord of the Rings (which they made into three movies with stuff from the appendicies)
2. The Hobbit (now being made into two movies with stuff from the LOTR appendicies)
3. An original prequel.
I don't see Hollywood giving up a cash cow. Even if the two Hobbit movies bomb terribly we can expect a cheapo direct to video original prequel.
Indeed, that's the fate New Line had planned for TTT and ROTK if FOTR had bombed.
They have "rights" to make as many films as they want. Original prequels, sequels, or even Nyquils. That doesn't mean that they will. This idea that there is a specific right to make an "original prequel" is a myth that has no real support.
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Uruk-Hai
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Apr 17 2009, 8:28pm
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a bridge film seemed contrite..unnecessary cameos...let's just stick to what the author supplied us with, ok....
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Darkstone
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Apr 17 2009, 8:36pm
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Jackson's words are good enough for me.
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"Several years ago, Mark Ordesky told us that New Line have rights to make not just The Hobbit but a second “LOTR prequel”, covering the events leading up to those depicted in LOTR. "
-email of November 19th, 2006 to TORn
Again, one can readily assume this release was vetted by Jackson's lawyers, and likewise gone over by New Line's lawyers looking to discredit him, and none of them said nay.
If you can't trust Hollywood lawyers, who can you trust? Especially if they had a chance to say "You're wrong!"
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The audacious proposal stirred his heart. And the stirring became a song, and it mingled with the songs of Gil-galad and Celebrian, and with those of Feanor and Fingon. The song-weaving created a larger song, and then another, until suddenly it was as if a long forgotten memory woke and for one breathtaking moment the Music of the Ainur revealed itself in all glory. He opened his lips to sing and share this song. Then he realized that the others would not understand. Not even Mithrandir given his current state of mind. So he smiled and simply said "A diversion.”
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Kangi Ska
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Apr 17 2009, 8:50pm
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News at last. And good news at that. I guess they will save the "bridge" move for a follow up. Sam Raimi will probably direct.
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
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Apr 17 2009, 9:01pm
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No sense in going through this again
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I'll just link back to our last discussion about this issue, so that anyone who is interested can follow it. Here's the post where I respond to your citing Jackson's words (as well as other media reports) in the last discussion, back in December:
I'm Afraid That's Not At All Convincing
Interested folks can read the posts before and after that one to get the full discussion.
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Mithrandír
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Apr 17 2009, 9:44pm
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it's a dead issue. And like i said, this isn't a legal question(I have 3 years of law school, and I see a variety of possible legal interpretations of the different statements and contracts), it's a question of whats the point in making a third movie just because (assuming) one have the right to do so. It seems like a poor investment and i hope one would realize that it would be utterly redundant!
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MrCere
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Apr 17 2009, 11:24pm
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This news reveals a very interesting choice by the writing/directing/producing team. Two movies with the material of 'The Hobbit' means there is no need to cut anything.
What is interesting though, is will they add bits to add dramatic tension?
Are these two, two hour movies or two three hour movies.
Fascinating and I am glad to have answers but there are still soooo many questions!
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Nazgul
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Apr 18 2009, 12:35am
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Great news---a bridge film was unnecessary, glad they're just focusing on the source material...
They shouldn't make a third film because it would seem too 'let's make more sequels just because' and it would be more like a cameo filled fanfilm and not canon to Tolkien's world.
--interesting that no one pointed out that Harry Potter is doing same thing with Deathly Hallows (same release year too I think)
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Do you think this will mean in terms of any potential cameos from characters that did NOT have a direct appearance in the Hobbit, but who are played by actors who have all expressed keen interest in coming back to do their roles, should they and can they now be asked to do so? It would be cool to see Viggo Mortensen reneg on his apparent decision to retire, and to maybe see Liv Tyler, Orlando Bloom, and people of that sort who have pretty decent star appeal and who will draw back the people who at this point may sleepily remember the LOTR but that werent impacted by it on the same level as us hardcore ringers, (although they went to see and enjoy all the trilogy's movies when they came out and helped to drive it to historical numbers/megablockbuster status so many years ago).. I will be curious to see what they will do with all the room they will have for adding to what is already there, I have the feeling that they may be taking quite a few artistic liberties when it comes to developing the scenes of the White Council, surely the action surrounding the driving out of the Necromancer, etc., and I wouldnt be surpised if they interweave at least a couple of opportunities for someone in some way to appear along the course of these scenes that will be in many ways almost purely the work of the mad genuis duo that is PJ and GDT. Either way, I am excited to see what they will do! But I dont know, to me it just wouldn't seem right to leave all those celebrities from LOTR that have repeatedly expressed at least more than a passing interest and in some cases a seemingly strong one, hanging for what really has been a decent amount of time to have to wait to find out (at least for the ones whose character's appearance in some way could at least be plausible in the Hobbit part 1 or 2), and then just up and be like "nope never mind, bringing your character back in any way shape or form isnt important enough to follow through on, thanks but no thanks.." I suppose actors and actresses, at least of the fame and caliber of the ones from LOTR, are on the level where they dont really sweat that kind of stuff, but if I had been one of the fortunate few to make history acting in the trilogy movie, and I felt like I was part of its success or at least its mass appeal if nothing else, and then I got in some indirect but persuasive way lead on only to be excluded from the chance to be a part of cinematic history again, Id be kind of pissed, lol. Also, what will this mean for the second movie's title if it is not a seperate movie but instead what is essentially a Hobbit part two? I really hope they come up with a better title for it then that, lmao. ;p
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An excellent decision!
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