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Elenedhel
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Nov 29 2008, 1:12am
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Mount Doom V-- Open Discussion
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Welcome to the last discussion of the week: the Open Discussion!
Feel free to bring up anything I missed or didn't cover!
Not a whole lot of people participated in the discussions this week, but thanks to those of you who did (and to those of you who lurked), and good luck to a.s. with next week's discussion!
Have fun!
"Though you should find all barren and laid waste, there will be few gardens in Middle-earth that will bloom like your garden, if you sprinkle this earth there. Then you may remember Galadriel, and catch a glimpse far off of Lorien, that you have seen only in our winter. For our spring and summer are gone by, and they will never be seen on earth again save in memory."
-Galadriel, The Fellowship of the Ring
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Beren IV
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Nov 29 2008, 5:40am
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One of the lessons of geology and ecology is that volcanoes make extremely rich, fertile soils. Already we know that there is water in Mordor coming off of the slopes of the Ephel Duath. What kind of paradise do you envision the Land of Shadow becoming, now that Sauron is ultimately defeated and Orodruin is free to return to its natural state?
Once a paleontologist, now a botanist, will be a paleobotanist
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batik
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Nov 29 2008, 6:56am
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the folk previously enslaved by Sauron might be able to one day rebuild and live in a friendlier land...
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Vaemyr Arandur
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Nov 29 2008, 3:09pm
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...in a friendly land...with those cowardly elves who come back and repopulate Middle Earth now that the heavy lifting is done.
Just kidding!
The army of the dead arrives
Heimdal blows his horn
Calling Gods out to die
Before the world can be reborn -- Amon Amarth
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Dreamdeer
Doriath
Nov 29 2008, 8:16pm
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Life is beautiful and dangerous! Beware! Enjoy!
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sador
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Nov 30 2008, 7:47am
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Aragorn pardons the slaves of Mordor, and gives them the land by lake Nurnen for themselves. This seems to imply the Northren lands were not fertile (although they might become so in time).
The lands next to the great lake were cultivated extensively before.
Also, there seems to be no water flowing down to Gorgoroth from the Ephel Duath. Last week I asked whether this was a natural phenomenon, or another part of Sauron's malice, which might be healed once he's overthrown. What do you think?
"I do not chose now to do what I came to do" - Frodo
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FarFromHome
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Nov 30 2008, 12:09pm
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I think the lack of water might be overcome in time.
Also, there seems to be no water flowing down to Gorgoroth from the Ephel Duath. Last week I asked whether this was a natural phenomenon, or another part of Sauron's malice, which might be healed once he's overthrown. What do you think?
I'm no geologist, but if, as Beren IV says, the eruption of the volcano will actually provide rich soil in Gorgoroth in future, then I would imagine that natural geological changes would also change the course of the water flows from the Ephel Duath. It's not likely that no water at all flows down eastwards - in fact we see that a few trickles do find their way down. It's just that the water is soon lost, evaporated or absorbed in the hostile, rocky ground. Once there is soil to retain the water, things might be quite different.
Farewell, friends! I hear the call.
The ship’s beside the stony wall.
Foam is white and waves are grey;
beyond the sunset leads my way.
Bilbo's Last Song
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a.s.
Doriath
Nov 30 2008, 4:09pm
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All right, I won't start.
Although I do think what happens on the brink of the Fire is Tolkien intersecting Providence and Free Will, Fate, Doom, Luck, Chance, and all the Powers That Be. That's lots of intersecting lines!
Not a whole lot of people participated in the discussions this week, but thanks to those of you who did (and to those of you who lurked), and good luck to a.s. with next week's discussion!
Have fun!
It is hard when our chapter discussions overlap the holidays, and people are pulled in many directions. I can't speak for anyone else, but I have been literally absent for work-related requirements quite a bit these last two-three weeks. But thanks for your good wishes for next week's chapter discussion, which contains my favorite lines of the entire trilogy. Since you've already finished, I'm going to go ahead and start tonight, as I have more time in the evenings.
a.s.
"an seileachan"
Some say once you're gone, you're gone forever, and some say you're gonna come back.
Some say you'll rest in the arms of the Savior, if sinful ways you lack.
Some say that they're coming back in a garden: bunch of carrots and little sweet peas.
I think I'll just let the mystery be.
Iris DeMent
Call Her Emily
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N.E. Brigand
Gondolin
Mar 22 2009, 4:42am
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Sometimes the discussions pick up later.
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Your five threads eventually garnered ninety-two responses, and an average of eighteen replies per post is very respectable.
A question for later: why does Tolkien have a moment where Frodo is stunned by the passing glance of Sauron’s eye?
Thanks, Elenedhel!
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