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dernwyn
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Apr 1 2007, 2:08am
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Do you hear Tolkien?
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I love the the little gems one can come across on places like Amazon.com. I was looking up CD recordings of Ralph Vaughan William's English folk music, and found this review:
"Tolkien, a cup of Darjeeling by the fire, and this CD, July 16, 2006
Santa Fe Listener
"I laughed when I read one reviewer here who admitted that he liked to play this lovely CD while reading Tolkien. And why not? It's the magic of art to make those of us who live in the desert Southwest (or midtown Manhattan) believe we are actually in an English thatched cottage around the time of WW I, nourishing our English souls with the comforting music of Vaughan Williams."
Well! Vaughan William has now endeared himself to me!
Do you get the same feeling, listening to his music? What other musical selections remind you of Tolkien's ideal simple lifestyle, or of Middle-earth?
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"Confusticate and bebother these dwarves!"
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N.E. Brigand
Gondolin
Apr 1 2007, 3:00am
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RVW's beautiful romance for violin and orchestra evokes the Shire for me.
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Mar. 26-Apr. 1: Alan Lee.
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Idril Celebrindal
Dor-Lomin
Apr 1 2007, 3:43am
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Sibelius has a grand, sweeping feeling that reminds me of the wide lands of Middle-earth. His music has such a sense of place.
Grieg's Peer Gynt suite is another one that reminds me of Middle-earth. The "Hall of the Mountain King" always makes me think of Bilbo and the Dwarves being pursued by goblins!
Wagner's operas, of course, draw upon many of the same legends that Tolkien did. I can't help but think of the epic tales from the Silmarillion whenever I hear this music (particularly the story of Turin). However, Tolkien apparently couldn't stand him!
With caffeine, all things are possible.
The pity of Bilbo will screw up the fate of many.
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N.E. Brigand
Gondolin
Apr 1 2007, 4:44am
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It's not known that Tolkien disliked Wagner's work. He disliked a comparison between LotR and and "der Nibelungen Ring" made by the Ĺke Ohlmarks, the Swedish translator of LotR: "Both rings were round, and there the resemblance ceases" (Letter #229), but Tolkien's ire was raised by Ohlmarks' presumptuous biographical comments on Tolkien's fiction, and Ohlmarks wasn't necessarily referring to Wagner, anyway.
Christina Scull and Wayne Hammond, in their recent Chronology (p. 788), note that Tolkien and the Lewises met to read the libretti of the entire Ring cycle in 1934 in anticipation of seeing the operas at Covent Garden (they didn't: there was a problem getting tickets). They also cite Priscilla Tolkien, who said that Tolkien and Lewis later did attend a production, possibly of Siegfried.
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Aerlinn
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Apr 1 2007, 5:21am
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*thinks about mentioning Led Zeppelin*
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*decides against*
'I cannot read the furry letters,' said Frodo in a quavering voice.
'No,' said Gandalf, 'but I can.'
'One Ring to drool on them all, One Ring to heed them
One Ring to bring them all and remind them all to feed them
In the land of Kitchen where the litter lies.'
Daniel is travelling tonight on a plane
I can see the red tail-lights heading for Passaic.
Oh and I can see Daniel waving hello
God it looks like Daniel, must be the quid pro quo
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mae govannen
Dor-Lomin
Apr 1 2007, 7:05am
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Tolkien disliked Wagner's interpretation of the Volsüngasaga,
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according to pae 46 of his Biography by Humphrey Carpenter:
"He recounted horrific episodes from the Norse Volsüngasaga, with a passing jibe at Wagner whose interpretation of the myths he held in contempt."
This would seem to mean that even if JRRT and the Lewises did have a keen interest in reading the libretti of the entire Ring cycle, and even to attend a production, it may have been simply because this was part of their own field of personal interest and research, and it doesn't mean necessarily that they liked either the libretti or the production they got to attend.
Any comment about that in the information from Priscilla?
'Is everything sad going to come untrue?'
(Sam, 'The Field of Cormallen', in 'The Return of the King'.)
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mae govannen
Dor-Lomin
Apr 1 2007, 7:34am
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Would you please elucidate who is RVW...? I have no idea!!! :-) (NT)
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'Is everything sad going to come untrue?'
(Sam, 'The Field of Cormallen', in 'The Return of the King'.)
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FantasyFan
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Apr 1 2007, 11:57am
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Ralph (pronounced Rafe) Vaughan Williams /
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"That is one thing that Men call 'hope.' Amdir we call it, 'looking up.' But there is another which is founded deeper. Estel we call it, that is 'trust.' It is not defeated by the ways of the world, for it does not come from experience, but from our nature and First Being. If we are indeed the Eruhin, the Children of the One, then He will not suffer Himself to be deprived of His own, not by any enemy, not even by ourselves. This is the last foundation of estel, which we keep even when we contemplate the End. Of all His designs the issue must be for His children's joy."
Finrod, Athrabeth Finrod ah Andreth, HoME X Morgoth's Ring
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L. Ron Halfelven
Hithlum
Apr 1 2007, 12:24pm
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Now put on 'Five Variants on "Dives and Lazarus"' and sing with me:
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When Spring unfolds the beechen leaf, and sap is in the bough;
When light is on the wild-wood stream, and wind is on the brow;
When stride is long, and breath is deep, and keen the mountain-air,
Come back to me! Come back to me, and say my land is fair!
Fight for us! And regain your honor, learn valuable technical skills, and qualify for up to four years' college tuition! What say you?
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grammaboodawg
Elvenhome
Apr 1 2007, 3:10pm
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Battle for Evermore, etc. ABSOLUTELY!
Kashmir reminds me of Rivendell.
 
Trust him... The Hobbit is coming!
"Barney Snow was here." ~Hug like a hobbit!~ "In my heaven..."
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grammaboodawg
Elvenhome
Apr 1 2007, 3:20pm
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just a few:
Songs from film soundtracks of Flipper and Rudy (main titles especially)
Don't Panic by Coldplay
In the name of love – U2
I still haven't found what I'm looking for – U2
With or without you – U2
Run – Collective Souls
Deora Ar Mo Chroi – Enya (reminds me of the Men of Gondor)
A Day Without Rain – Enya (reminds me of the Grey Havens)
Kathy's Song – Eva Cassidy's adaptation of Paul Simon's Song (makes me think of Frodo in Valinor)
Kashmir – Led Zeppelin (Rivendell)
Run – Snow Patrol (makes me think of Frodo and Sam at the Havens) Fiction – Tracy Chapman (makes me think of TORn and Tolkien)
Trust him... The Hobbit is coming!
"Barney Snow was here." ~Hug like a hobbit!~ "In my heaven..."
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N.E. Brigand
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Apr 1 2007, 3:51pm
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Thanks for citing that passage from Carpenter. I see that Tolkien would have made that comment in 1911, when he was 19. Maybe he grew into Wagner? Maybe he enjoyed the music but not Wagner's fiddlng with the story? Or maybe Carpenter errs? Carpenter also describes Tolkien's later "Both rings were round..." comment as a knock on Wagner, but as shown by Letters, that's not correct.
Concerning Priscilla Tolkien's comment, I have only what Scull and Hammond report in their Chronology; since they don't give a source, I suppose it was something she said in an interview.
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Lily Fairbairn
Gondolin
Apr 1 2007, 5:21pm
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I have loved Ralph Vaughan Williams for as many years as I've loved Tolkien. His music seems to hit my heart in the same spot that LotR hits it.
In addition to English Folk Song Suite (for me, The Shire) and Lark Ascending (for me, more Lorien, or perhaps Eowyn and Faramir on the walls of Minas Tirith), I'd also recommend "Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis". I saw a reference to that piece one time as being the sound of the sea against the shores of Middle Ea---er---England.
And what about Sibelius?
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silneldor
Gondolin
Apr 2 2007, 2:25am
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for parts of Moria.
Samuel Barber -Excursions for the forests of M.E..
Tchaikovsky's Tempest for the parts of the Pelennor Fields.
Richard Abrams for a bit of the mystical.
Perhaps Mozart because he is so playful, may fit in with the hobbits.
And Rap for the Green Troll Inn somewhere in Mordor.
"Tolkien, like Lewis, believed that, through story, the real world would become a more magical place, full of meaning. We see its patterns and colors in a fresh way. The recovery of a true view of the world applies both to individual things, like hills and stones, and to the cosmic - the depths of space and time itself. For in sub-creation, in Tolkien's view, there is a "survey" of space and time. Reality is captured on a miniature scale. Through stories like The Lord of the Rings, a renewed view of things is given, illuminating the homely, the spiritial, the physical, and the moral dimensions of the world."
Tolkien and C.S. Lewis- The Gift of Friendship -Duriez
A little bit of Rivendell to warm the home
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Aerin
Hithlum
Apr 2 2007, 6:53am
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Haven't seen the Viking Kittens in ages!
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dernwyn
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Apr 2 2007, 1:29pm
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*has awful image of Shagrat and Gorbag doing a karaoke rap duet* 
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